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The State of Florida vs George Zimmerman: The Trial

 
 
hawkeye10
 
  2  
Fri 8 Nov, 2013 01:14 am
@firefly,
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Her parents weren't living there at the time, Shellie was.
i believe that the facts are that George was moving out and that Shelli was scheduled to move in, that at the time of this act no one lived in the house.

btw: does it not impress you that in a town that has the police chief actively gunning for George no charges are ever filed? it is pretty clear to me that the law continues to be on his side. the fact that this guy has gone this long staying clear of the law even though so many people want him locked up gives me the impression that he is pretty bright after all. this guy knows where the line of the law is and takes care to never cross it.
firefly
 
  2  
Fri 8 Nov, 2013 02:26 am
@hawkeye10,
Quote:
btw: does it not impress you that in a town that has the police chief actively gunning for George no charges are ever filed?

The Lake Mary Police Chief is not only not gunning for George Zimmerman, he's clearly said he doesn't want to get involved with him and he's said he wishes Zimmerman would move elsewhere. They don't want to be part of the media and legal circus Zimmerman generates. They'll file charges against him only if they absolutely have to. They did give him a $260 speeding ticket.

Shellie Zimmerman really couldn't press charges against him the day she called 911 because of her probation status--she risked winding up in jail. And George destroyed her cell phone which might have had evidence the police could have used to press charges against him.
Quote:
the fact that this guy has gone this long staying clear of the law even though so many people want him locked up gives me the impression that he is pretty bright after all. this guy knows where the line of the law is and takes care to never cross it.

He crossed the line with concealing his assets and second passport from the judge at his bail hearing--his elaborate deception scheme was uncovered, and the judge chewed him out, raised his bail considerably, and threw him back in jail. Since Shellie was the only one who lied under oath, she wound up with the perjury charge.

He's sociopathic, he knows how to play the system and he's an accomplished liar. But I don't think he's very bright at all. He's too reckless, and he's going to trip himself up. I just hope he doesn't wind up harming someone else.
RABEL222
 
  1  
Fri 8 Nov, 2013 09:57 am
@hawkeye10,
Where?
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firefly
 
  2  
Sat 9 Nov, 2013 03:37 pm
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Zimmerman defense team offers insights to panel at UB-sponsored mock trial event
By James Staas
November 7, 2013

Two lawyers who represented defendant George Zimmerman in the high-profile Trayvon Martin murder trial talked Thursday about their trial techniques and strategies that helped lead to an acquittal.

Attorneys Mark O’Mara, who was Zimmerman’s lead counsel, and Don West, a 1980 graduate of the University at Buffalo Law School, discussed the Florida case before about 250 law students at a panel discussion as part of the 10th annual Buffalo Niagara Trial Competition.

West may be best remembered for the knock-knock joke that fell flat with jurors during his opening statement. But O’Mara credited West for his work in persuading the judge not to allow the jury to consider a lesser murder charge.

A key moment came near the end of the trial when both sides suggested what the judge should include in her instructions to jurors before deliberations. Prosecutors for the first time suggested that the judge allow jurors to consider the less serious charges of manslaughter and third-degree murder based on child abuse, arguing that since Trayvon was 17 when Zimmerman fatally shot him during a confrontation, he was a minor, or child.

“It was a brilliant strategy to give the jury something to hang their hat on,” offering jurors a compromise verdict if they couldn’t convict Zimmerman of murder, West said.

“It was the ultimate in sandbagging,” he said of the last-minute prosecution strategy in the case.

West argued against it, and “the court ultimately did the right thing” in rejecting it, he said.

“That saved the case,” West said.

“We wanted to avoid a compromise verdict,” O’Mara said.

O’Mara recalled West’s outrage at the prosecution’s move.

“Don came as close as you can to contempt without being thrown in jail,” he said...
http://www.buffalonews.com/city-region/courts/zimmerman-defense-team-offers-insights-to-panel-at-ub-sponsored-mock-trial-event-20131107
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OmSigDAVID
 
  3  
Sat 9 Nov, 2013 05:28 pm
@firefly,
firefly wrote:
. . . given the rather bleak outlook for his own future,
and ability to earn a living, it is not difficult to imagine a possible
murder/suicide where he would end both their lives.

What's past is past, the important matter now should be to try to prevent
future tragedies he might cause, based on the red flags we can already see,
if that's at all possible. His "supporters" should take a look at those red
flags--they're waving very clearly.
WHAT do u propose, Firefly??

What do u want to be DONE, in furtherance of your filosofy??





David
BillRM
 
  1  
Sat 9 Nov, 2013 06:00 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
Yes indeed Firefly is right Zimmerman is very dangerous as he is willing to kill if his life is in danger.

Given an evolution of billions of years were any creature that is not willing to killed under those conditions did not for the most part carry on their genes to the next generation that is not at all surprising.

My bet would be that even our firefly if she would had found herself under that nice sweet kid as he was trying to pound her brains outs would had blown him away herself or knife him or do whatever she could had done to save her life.

Only a lack of a firearm or a knife or some other means would have stop Firefly from killing that nice kid as Zimmerman did that night herself.

Yes Zimmerman is indeed a dangerous man and so are we all.


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BillRM
 
  1  
Sat 9 Nov, 2013 06:18 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
Oh as far as Zimmerman ability to make a living that Firefly claimed he will not be able to do.

He could sign up for a speaking tour and earn millions from that alone as well as a book and so on.

That is beside any settlements with the news media that edit the 911 tape.

Then there are many people that raised many hundreds of thousands of dollars on his behalf and at least some of those people are likely to be in a position to offer him jobs.
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firefly
 
  1  
Sat 9 Nov, 2013 07:46 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
Quote:
WHAT do u propose, Firefly??

Someone in his family should convince him to seek psychiatric treatment.

He was seeing a psychologist at the time he killed Martin. He does have psychological problems, including very questionable judgment and poor impulse control. And, since his acquittal, that's been very obvious.
Moment-in-Time
 
  1  
Tue 12 Nov, 2013 03:50 pm
@firefly,
Quote:
He does have psychological problems, including very questionable judgment and poor impulse control.



Zimmerman is an unpredictable individual. I agree with you; he's unstable....It takes a special somebody to kill another who was no threat, frightened and trying to get away because he was being followed. And still hyperactive Zimmerman threatens his wife and father-in-law, and don't forget to add several police stoppings for traffic violations. Zimmerman is one disturbed individual.
firefly
 
  1  
Tue 12 Nov, 2013 04:29 pm
@Moment-in-Time,
He's certainly unable to maintain a low profile, and the more that's revealed about him, the more disturbed he seems.
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OmSigDAVID
 
  4  
Tue 12 Nov, 2013 04:39 pm
@Moment-in-Time,
Quote:
He does have psychological problems, including very questionable judgment and poor impulse control.
Moment-in-Time wrote:
Zimmerman is an unpredictable individual. I agree with you; he's unstable....
It takes a special somebody to kill another who was no threat,
What a thing to SAY!
He was slamming Zimmy 's head on the cement
when Zimmy had the presence of mind to kill him,
end ing that threat (to him, and to everyone).





David
firefly
 
  1  
Tue 12 Nov, 2013 06:09 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
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end ing that threat (to him, and to everyone).

But now it's Zimmerman who's doing the threatening....just ask his wife.
OmSigDAVID
 
  1  
Tue 12 Nov, 2013 10:26 pm
@firefly,
Quote:
end ing that threat (to him, and to everyone).
firefly wrote:
But now it's Zimmerman who's doing the threatening....just ask his wife.
People mouth off all the time, in matrimonial quarrels; no news.

If he actually DOES become violent with her,
then the justice system will process the situation
and decide who is right or rong, the same as with anyone else.
The fact that Zimmy successfully defended his life while trying to help
his naborhood shud not put him in any worse position than if he were
more complacent qua burglary. He even did it for FREE just out of his abundant good will.

It was very kind, thoughtful and naborly of Zimmy to call 911 on travon
when he suspected him of casing houses for burglary, and then for him
to take the time to follow him, for the police. The community is in his debt.
Many people just don 't care. Zimmy 's a GOOD old boy!
I 'd have been too lazy to attend to those things.





David
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oralloy
 
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Tue 12 Nov, 2013 11:14 pm
@Moment-in-Time,
Moment-in-Time wrote:
It takes a special somebody to kill another who was no threat, frightened and trying to get away because he was being followed.

Trayvon was not trying to get away from anything. He intentionally came up to Mr. Zimmerman and was in the process of violently assaulting him when Mr. Zimmerman shot him in self defense.
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oralloy
 
  0  
Tue 12 Nov, 2013 11:14 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
OmSigDAVID wrote:
He was slamming Zimmy 's head on the cement
when Zimmy had the presence of mind to kill him,
end ing that threat (to him, and to everyone).

Yes. And it was a particularly grave threat as well. Had Trayvon gone ahead with his plans to get high on PCP and go breaking into neighborhood homes that evening, he may well have killed an entire family.
firefly
 
  2  
Tue 12 Nov, 2013 11:18 pm
@oralloy,
Quote:

Yes. And it was a particularly grave threat as well. Had Trayvon gone ahead with his plans to get high on PCP and go breaking into neighborhood homes that evening, he may well have killed an entire family.


https://misshelenwrites.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/animated-laughing-mice.gif?w=400

Do you ever touch base with reality?
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OmSigDAVID
 
  2  
Wed 13 Nov, 2013 12:00 am
@Moment-in-Time,
Quote:
He does have psychological problems,
including very questionable judgment and poor impulse control.
Moment-in-Time wrote:
Zimmerman is an unpredictable individual.
Yes, but NO ONE is predictable. That is the human condition.



Moment-in-Time wrote:
I agree with you; he's unstable....
Will u reveal the academic credentials upon whose basis
u have rendered this diagnosis, Dr. MiT?
Did u graduate from the Massachusetts Institute of Technology ?





Moment-in-Time wrote:
It takes a special somebody to kill another who was no threat, frightened
and trying to get away because he was being followed.
Was he no threat and trying to get away while he was beating Zimmy 's head on the street??
He had ALREADY gotten away for c.4 minutes (if I remember the trial accurately)
before the attempted murderer attacked Zimmy in the street.





David
firefly
 
  2  
Wed 13 Nov, 2013 12:34 am
@OmSigDAVID,
Quote:
Was he no threat and trying to get away while he was beating Zimmy 's head on the street??

There is absolutely no evidence to support that that even occurred.

No blood on the street, no swellings or goose eggs on the back of Zimmerman's head, no DNA from Zimmerman on Martin's hands, not even under the fingernails.
And Zimmerman neither complained of, nor sought, treatment for symptoms of head trauma.

Counselor, where is your evidence that "Zimmy's" head was beaten on the street?

Are you taking the word of a known liar? And we know Zimmerman lied to the court and his lawyer about both his assets and his second passport.
OmSigDAVID
 
  3  
Wed 13 Nov, 2013 02:10 am
@firefly,
DAVID wrote:
Was he no threat and trying to get away while he was beating Zimmy 's head on the street??
firefly wrote:
There is absolutely no evidence to support that that even occurred.
That assertion is false.
There was at least 1 witness to that effect; a resident.
I think that there were 2, but I 'm not sure.





firefly wrote:
No blood on the street,
Was there trial testimony on that point?





firefly wrote:
no swellings or goose eggs on the back of Zimmerman's head,
We all know that he bled from the back of his head.
We 've all seen the pictures of him when the police brought him in.





firefly wrote:
no DNA from Zimmerman on Martin's hands,
Do u allege that ALL contact leaves DNA??
If I shake hands with u, will that leave DNA??



firefly wrote:
not even under the fingernails.
Was scratching alleged by either side??
I don t believe that it was.



firefly wrote:
And Zimmerman neither complained of, nor sought, treatment for symptoms of head trauma.
From his bleeding, we KNOW
that there was rear head trauma.



firefly wrote:
Counselor, where is your evidence that "Zimmy's" head was beaten on the street?
It is hereinabove set forth (q.v.)





firefly wrote:
Are you taking the word of a known liar?
Yes. On the day that we stop doing that,
we will relinquish any further witness testimony.
Coud the fullness of YOUR life withstand un-limited,
fully in-depth inquiry qua whether u have EVER told a lie???
If all of your past & present friends, relatives, enemies, competitors, co-workers, fellow students
and all of the paperwork of your life including all applications for jobs or for loans, etc. were
subjected to un-limited analysis, woud thay show u to be immaculately,
meticulously, infinitely, forthright & perfectly accurate ?

Even SUPERMAN did not tell the truth about being Clark Kent.




firefly wrote:
And we know Zimmerman lied to the court and his lawyer
about both his assets and his second passport.
However that may be, it is irrelevant to the litigated issues.





David
BillRM
 
  1  
Wed 13 Nov, 2013 07:59 am
@OmSigDAVID,
David Firefly and her like live in an alternative reality from this one and no amount of facts or logic or evidence or jury verdict is going to change her reality that a smiling and innocent child was gun down for no reason at all on his way home other then racial hate.
 

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