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The State of Florida vs George Zimmerman: The Trial

 
 
BillRM
 
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Sat 14 Sep, 2013 04:14 am
@RABEL222,
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libel a 17 year old murdered kid


PS Trayvon was not murder, by a verdict of a jury, but instead was killed in an act of legal self defense.
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Frank Apisa
 
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Sat 14 Sep, 2013 05:07 am
@RABEL222,
RABEL222 wrote:

No, your wrong Frank. I meant just what I said. I have no compassion for people like these who would libel a 17 year old murdered kid because they think supporting Saint George boosts their idea of a gun in every church. They are insane and I would be willing to bet that if they were examined by a head doctor none of them would be allowed to carry a gun.


Well then I withdraw my remark.

Hawk, I apologize...I was wrong and you were right.

Rabel apparently is able to be compassionate only if it is for "the right" people (or person)...and apparently is willing to wish that Zimmerman will eventually shoot himself to death.

I find that as appalling as the defense of Zimmerman that I see coming from you, Bill and David.
izzythepush
 
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Sat 14 Sep, 2013 05:25 am
@Frank Apisa,
Frank Apisa wrote:

Rabel apparently is able to be compassionate only if it is for "the right" people (or person)...and apparently is willing to wish that Zimmerman will eventually shoot himself to death.

I find that as appalling as the defense of Zimmerman that I see coming from you, Bill and David.


Rabel is not much different from BillRM and Hawkeye in that respect. His posts are almost as mangled as BillRM's. Just because he tends to be on the side of the angels, more often than not, doesn't mean he's not an idiot.
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MontereyJack
 
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Sat 14 Sep, 2013 06:47 am
Looks like the cops have their eye on Zimmerman. They've figured out he's a danger to society, and he's going to have a tough time getting away with murder a second time.
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Local police chief has 'concerns' about ZimmermanBy James Novogrod, NBC News
The police chief in the Florida city where George Zimmerman lives expressed concerns Thursday that Zimmerman remains able to carry a gun, even after repeated run-ins with police following his acquittal this summer in the Trayvon Martin killing.

“I’m a small-town police chief. If I had the authority to revoke his firearm license, I would certainly sit down and consider that,” Steve Bracknell, the chief of police in Lake Mary, said during a telephone interview with NBC News.

“Does anyone else except me see a pattern?” Bracknell continued. “The word firearm keeps popping up.”

BillRM
 
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Sat 14 Sep, 2013 07:40 am
@MontereyJack,
Quote:
Looks like the cops have their eye on Zimmerman. They've figured out he's a danger to society, and he's going to have a tough time getting away with murder a second time.


Will that is nice that they are keeping an eye on him so then he might not need to act in self defense himself again when/if some nut try to carry out one of the thousands of death threats that had been directed at him.

I am sure Zimmerman would had been happier if the police would have gotten off their asses faster and deal with Trayvon instead of forcing him to do so that night also.
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BillRM
 
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Sat 14 Sep, 2013 07:46 am
@Frank Apisa,
Frank how is your compassion for the two young men that beaten the world war two vet to death?

There are times, in my opinion, where all the compassion should all be directed toward the crime victims and their families and none toward their attackers.
Frank Apisa
 
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Sat 14 Sep, 2013 08:06 am
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:

Frank how is your compassion for the two young men that beaten the world war two vet to death?

There are times, in my opinion, where all the compassion should all be directed toward the crime victims and their families and none toward their attackers.


Unfortunately, Bill...I am directing so much of my compassion toward you, there is almost none left over for others. I'll work on that...but for now, your jaded, myopic, and warped sense of the world in general and this problem in particular...have "stolen my heart." The situation has caused the fine line between true compassion...and abject pity to become blurred.

I will do my best to extend my compassion...I hope you work on recovering from whatever it is that so warped your mind.
BillRM
 
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Sat 14 Sep, 2013 08:53 am
@Frank Apisa,
Sorry neither Trayvon who would had beaten Zimmerman to death or into an IC unit or those two other young men who did beat the 88 year old WW2 to death can have my compassion..
Frank Apisa
 
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Sat 14 Sep, 2013 08:55 am
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:

Sorry neither Trayvon who would had beaten Zimmerman to death or into a IC unit or those two other young men who beaten the 88 year old WW2


Get that translated into a comprehensible English sentence...and I will respond.
BillRM
 
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Sat 14 Sep, 2013 08:57 am
@Frank Apisa,
Reread my posting and you will get the whole message not the incomplete version due to my hitting the wrong key and posting it before it was completed.
firefly
 
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Sat 14 Sep, 2013 09:01 am
@BillRM,
For someone who accuses others of being "race-baiters" you can't stop mentioning crimes committed by blacks against whites. Why are you so obsessed with crimes committed by blacks? Are all black young men the same in your bigoted mind?

The more you harp on race, the more you make it clear that Trayvon Martin was erroneously profiled by Zimmerman on the basis of his skin color. And your feeble attempts to stereotype Martin, as some sort of inner city criminal type, are apparently designed to convince others that Zimmerman's profiling was correct, but, in the process, you do nothing more than reveal your own racist attitudes. Zimmerman's thinking may not have been racist, but your attitudes are.

George Zimmerman is clearly an instigator and provocateur. He acts impulsively, confrontationally, aggressively, and with poor judgment. That's what he did Monday, by unexpectedly showing up at his house after he had agreed not to be there, and then instigating a confrontation during which he became menacing and threatening. That is the exact same pattern that he displayed with Trayvon Martin--Zimmerman followed Martin, when he should not have been doing that, and he was perceived as menacing and threatening by Martin, and the teen reacted defensively. Monday Zimmerman destroyed an ipad that might contain incriminating evidence against him, and, in the case of Martin, he killed the only other eyewitness to his actions who might have incriminated him.

And, even in court, Zimmerman tried to conceal evidence from a judge to obscure his intention to flee the jurisdiction once bail was set and he was free to use his hidden funds and second passport to abscond "with other people's money," according to the judge.

If you really are delusional enough to believe that Zimmerman is some sort of innocent victim, who has no responsibility for the sorts of reactions he provokes from others, that's your failing and your limitation. And, as usual, you will remain rigid in your opinion, and will just go on mindlessly repeating the same crap, over and over and over again. You're not convincing anyone of anything, except cementing your reputation as a rather bigoted idiot.

At this point, even most of those who support the jury verdict, on purely legal grounds, do not support the character or behavior of George Zimmerman, and there are very realistic concerns about this man's reckless actions, particularly because he continues to be armed. In continuing to turn a blind eye to what Zimmerman's behavior reveals about the man, you simply reveal your incapacity to face reality, and to acknowledge when you have been wrong.

I personally don't care whether you think George Zimmerman is the salt of the earth, or that Trayvon Martin was a menace to society. You've already shown that your thinking is not reality-based, or even logical, which makes all of your opinions rather worthless. If you like wallowing in your own bullshit, that's fine with me. But don't be stupid enough to think that anyone with half a brain would join you in doing that. As usual, you're just making a fool of yourself, and you're quite accomplished at doing that. The entertainment value is in watching you do it.

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Frank Apisa
 
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Sat 14 Sep, 2013 09:49 am
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:

Reread my posting and you will get the whole message not the incomplete version due to my hitting the wrong key and posting it before it was completed.


Much more understandable as re-written, Bill

You still have my compassion...even though I think you are more a danger to, and blight on, humanity than either of the two you are unable to muster compassion for.
BillRM
 
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Sat 14 Sep, 2013 10:49 am
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http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/09/14/angela-corey-george-zimmerman-trayvon-martin-murder-florida/2763835/

Zimmerman prosecutor takes hit in court of public opinion
Yamiche Alcindor and Jordan Friedman, USA TODAY 11:14 a.m. EDT September 14, 2013
Angela Corey continues to call George Zimmerman a "murderer." Now, "to quell racial tension," some want her removed from a new case in which a white teen is charged with killing an unarmed black teen.

Angela Corey
(Photo: Rick Wilson, AP)
STORY HIGHLIGHTS
Angela Corey is facing backlash since George Zimmerman's acquittal
Critics say she has a reputation of overcharging defendants
Supporters paint a picture of a woman who cares deeply about justice

Angela Corey, the controversial state attorney at the heart of the prosecution of George Zimmerman, has been facing tough criticism by some who say Zimmerman's acquittal proves she can't follow through on her characteristic bold moves.

Still, Corey uses the law to pursue the justice she wants. With the nation questioning her decisions, she fiercely defends herself against those who think her ambition eclipses the skills she needs to pull off such legal gymnastics.

Before Corey made national news by charging Zimmerman with murder for killing Florida teen Trayvon Martin, the state attorney was no stranger to calculated risks. She had already made a 12-year-old face first-degree murder charges.

She also put a woman in prison for 20 years for firing at, yet missing, an allegedly abusive husband, the prosecutor's office says. Now, a growing number of critics describe her as a desperate prosecutor who regularly overcharges defendants and is more interested in making a name for herself than in seeking justice.

"She had the worst reputation in Florida for overcharging and the worst reputation with professional responsibility," said Alan Dershowitz, a Harvard Law School professor explaining why Corey should not have tried the Zimmerman case. "There are some great prosecutors in Florida and across the country. She's not one of them."

Supporters of Corey say she is a solid attorney whose 32-year career as a prosecutor has led her to understand the law and how to effectively apply it to everyday situations.

Corey was elected in 2008 as the state attorney for the fourth judicial circuit in Jacksonville. But long before she became a household name, her supporters say she became known locally as a passionate advocate for victims.

"This lady cares," said Beverly McClain, who runs Families of Slain Children, a non-profit based in Jacksonville. "She's got a heart but she's got a job to do also."

McClain, whose son was killed in 2005, often works with Corey in helping families of murder victims. She said Corey has pursued cases in a way that has endeared her to many. Often Corey shows emotion in meetings not captured on camera or seen by her critics, McClain said.

Still, Dershowitz, one of Corey's most outspoken critics, contends that Corey gives prosecutors a bad name and published half-truths in an effort to convict Zimmerman. He adds that Corey has a reputation for firing her own employees who criticize her, and that in the aftermath of the phone call, a whistle-blower e-mailed him and said Corey was "trying to find something on you."

Corey, in an interview with USA TODAY, said she leads a team of prosecutors who focus on putting criminals away and getting justice for all parties involved in cases. She says she can't understand why people continue to attack her. She adds that she'll continue to aggressively push back and prosecute cases based on what she thinks is right.

"Every day we have great success," Corey said. "Every day, we have cases that don't work out the way we want."

However, some of Corey's critics claim the state attorney charged Zimmerman and others for personal gain rather than because the case merited a second-degree murder charge.

"She thought it would look great, look how tough I am," said former Florida state attorney Harry Shorstein, who fired Corey when she worked as an assistant state attorney for him. "Very simply, if you follow the law and the facts, there was no question about the verdict."

Shorstein told USA TODAY that he fired Corey in 2006 after a law school intern "complained very, very significantly about Angela Corey."

Corey has said she was fired because she had announced her intention to run for state prosecutor to replace Shorstein.

Meanwhile, Corey has continued to call Zimmerman a "murderer" and has used the opportunity to point to all the other cases she has won.

"George Zimmerman used excessive and deadly force and that's what made it a violation of Florida law," she said.

Assistant State Attorney Bernie de la Rionda, an attorney who works for Corey and who argued the Zimmerman case at trial agrees. "We were convinced that Mr. Zimmerman needed to be prosecuted."

Shorstein described the selection of Corey to lead the Zimmerman trial as a mistake and said the prosecution's case was "atrocious."

Dershowitz maintains that Corey overcharged Zimmerman and purposely left out in charging documents that Zimmerman had sustained injuries during a struggle with Trayvon.

Several legal experts during and after the trial say prosecutors had little evidence with which to work. There were no real eyewitnesses, contradictory statements from nearby neighbors, and experts who seemed to support Zimmerman's version of events. Still, some claim Corey and her attorneys did a poor job of executing their case.

Despite the back and forth, Corey's supporters paint a picture of a woman unfairly attacked by the public.

De la Rionda, who works closely with Corey, and McClain, who met Corey at a yard sale, both say she is a frugal woman who takes care of those around her.

Sheriff John Rutherford publicly endorsed Corey during her election campaign to become state attorney. The two met in the 1980s when Corey was sent to the sheriff's office as an assistant state attorney to train officers on how to apply laws on the street. It was the start of a long friendship and one that led him to support her bid.

"She got very tough on the prosecutions," said Rutherford, explaining that Corey aggressively went after criminals once elected. "We now have the lowest crime we've had in 41 years."

Corey's office proudly touts that in her first fiscal year, conviction rates jumped to more than 90%. Corey also counts it a victory that she sends more people to prison than her predecessor. The tougher sentences, she says, decreases the number of repeat offenders who do short jail stints then commit more crimes when released.

A native of Jacksonville, Corey, 58, received a bachelor of science degree in marketing from Florida State University in 1976 and a law degree from the University of Florida in 1979. She later spent 25 years working for the 4th Judicial Circuit as an assistant state attorney. After Shorstein fired her, Corey still managed to become his successor.

But, Corey's actions since being in office have come under fire.

Many have turned their focus to the case of Marissa Alexander, who is serving a 20-year prison sentence for aggravated assault with a deadly weapon. Alexander said she fired a "warning shot" at a wall during an argument with her husband, Rico Gray, in 2010.

Alexander had tried to get her case dismissed under Florida's "stand your ground" law, which allows people to use deadly force against someone else if they fear for their life and says people do not have to retreat if threatened or attacked. However, the court rejected the argument in Alexander's case saying she fired out of anger, not fear for her life. That's exactly how Corey's office sees it.

"People question us on every case we file," Corey told USA TODAY, adding that there has been plenty of misinformation about Alexander in the media.

For example, Corey's office says Alexander shot at her husband and her two stepchildren, ages 10 and 13. Her office also points out that Alexander was initially charged with three counts of aggravated assault, released on bond, and told to have no contact with Gray.

However, Alexander later went to Gray's home and beat him in the face, which caused her bond to be revoked, Corey's office says. Alexander then rejected a plea deal that would have gotten her three years in prison. Instead, she decided to go to trial and was sentenced under a Florida minimum-sentencing law regarding the use of firearms.

The questions don't stop there.

Corey's critics have pointed to her 2011 decision to charge Cristian Fernandez, then a 12-year-old, as an adult with first-degree murder in the beating death of his 2-year-old half brother.

Corey says she charged in the manner she did to ensure that Fernandez got enough time in the system to get the help he needed. "The juvenile system is not designed to handle a juvenile murderer," Corey said. "We were going to put him into adult court to seek a middle ground."

A plea deal reached in February placed Fernandez in a juvenile facility until 2018 for lesser charges. Fernandez will be 19 when he is released, though still on probation.

Henry Coxe, Fernandez's defense attorney, says his client was mistreated by Corey's charging.

"He was 12 years old," Coxe said. "He never intended that his brother would be hurt seriously, that his brother would die."

Of the murder charge, Coxe added: "We have never been able to fathom how that happened."

Recently, Corey has come under fire from the Florida Civil Rights Association, which says it aims to advance equal opportunity and diversity.

The association is calling for Corey to be removed from the trial of Michael Dunn, who has been charged with first-degree murder for shooting unarmed, 17-year-old Jordan Davis at a Jacksonville gas station. Davis, who was black, was sitting in a vehicle in November 2012 when Dunn, who is white, fired at the teen after an argument about loud music coming from Davis' car.

The group says a special prosecutor is needed in the Davis case "to quell racial tension" created by Corey and the state attorney office's "failed prosecution" of Zimmerman.

"Given her track record and how she handled the case to begin with, people would be better served if an independent prosecutor was appointed to that case," said Shayan Elahi, a civil rights attorney for the Florida Civil Rights Association.

In explaining his position, Elahi claims Corey was focused more on getting re-elected to her position than on the Zimmerman trial itself.

Gov. Rick Scott has rejected the association's request to remove Corey from the Davis case and Davis' family hasn't called for a new prosecutor.

Despite all the backlash from the Zimmerman case, Corey explains that she and her prosecutors will make no apologies for being tough.

"This office has been very successful under my leadership," Corey said. "I'm not sure why they (cases) are all being strung together."

And, the state attorney sums up her stance: "Generally, if people don't get their way, they think they can just go to the media and bully an elected official into doing something. We have never succumbed to that and nor will we ever."

BillRM
 
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Sat 14 Sep, 2013 10:53 am
@Frank Apisa,
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I think you are more a danger to, and blight on, humanity than either of the two you are unable to muster compassion for.


Two?

You mean I am more of a danger to society then the two young men who beaten to death an 88 years old world war 2 vet in a parking lot as he waited for his wife?

That is some statement indeed.
hawkeye10
 
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Sat 14 Sep, 2013 10:53 am
@BillRM,
Quote:
Angela Corey is facing backlash since George Zimmerman's acquittal
Critics say she has a reputation of overcharging defendants
Supporters paint a picture of a woman who cares deeply about avenging victims

fixed

this abusive bitch would not know justice if it bit her in the ass.
BillRM
 
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Sat 14 Sep, 2013 11:26 am
@hawkeye10,
Over charging is the norm now for any crime in order to make it hopefully two costly to roll the dice and exercise the right to a jury trial by the person being charge.

We no longer have a real working justice system where the state needed to proved their cases before a jury beyond a reasonable doubt in 95 cases out of a 100.

In the Zimmerman case, he was able to mount a real defense only due to it being so high profile that lawyers was willing to work without being paid and thousands of people like myself was willing to write checks.
RABEL222
 
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Sat 14 Sep, 2013 11:29 am
@Frank Apisa,
Sorry I disappointed you Frank. But I am tired of the strawman arguments by the gun nuts. What they really mean when they claim Travon was a crook is he was black, but they dont have the balls to say so directly. When they say St. George acted in self defense what they really mean is St. George was a white man with a gun and so was justified in killing a black teenager, but dont have the balls to say so directly. Thanks to a screwed up justice system he got away with murder by killing the only other witness of this murder. The gun nuts are never going to admit that St. George was in the wrong no matter how many facts all you guys throw at them because it would be tatamount to admitting that not everyone in the world should be able to carry a gun. The paranoids on this site have to have their guns no matter how many innocents have to die for their so called right to carry. They are not rational and you are fighting a losing cause if you think you will ever get them to admit they are wrong. I am just sick of the bull shyt and really believe the world would be better off without them.
hawkeye10
 
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Sat 14 Sep, 2013 11:32 am
@BillRM,
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Over charging is the norm now for any crime in order to make it hopefully two costly to roll the dice and exercise the right to a jury trial by the person being charge.
sure it is, but what is not the norm is becoming a victim avenger who does not give a fig about justice, which is what this bitch is. She is unjust even by our low modern standards.
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firefly
 
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Sat 14 Sep, 2013 11:33 am
@hawkeye10,
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this abusive bitch would not know justice if it bit her in the ass.

It seems to me you've previously agreed with Corey that Zimmerman used excessive force against Martin, and that there was no need to shoot him in the heart.
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Meanwhile, Corey has continued to call Zimmerman a "murderer" and has used the opportunity to point to all the other cases she has won.

"George Zimmerman used excessive and deadly force and that's what made it a violation of Florida law," she said.

Shouldn't the questionable use of excessive deadly force be reason enough to hold a shooter accountable in court? Isn't that what prosecutors are elected to do? And haven't you previously said, several times, that you feel Zimmerman used excessive deadly force in shooting and killing Trayvon Martin?

You and Corey may be more in agreement than you'd like to admit.




hawkeye10
 
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Sat 14 Sep, 2013 11:33 am
@RABEL222,
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I am just sick of the bull shyt and really believe the world would be better off without them.
in other words you have become what you claim to despise. I have seen this ailment before.
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