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The State of Florida vs George Zimmerman: The Trial

 
 
firefly
 
  1  
Tue 10 Sep, 2013 01:09 pm
@hawkeye10,
Sorry if everything goes right over your head. That's your problem, not mine.

George Zimmerman is unstable and potentially dangerous, particularly when he has access to a gun--and, unfortunately, that's Shellie Zimmerman's problem right now.

Backing off on having George Zimmerman arrested yesterday may not have been a great idea--it might make him feel even more "invincible".

cicerone imposter
 
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Tue 10 Sep, 2013 01:10 pm
@hawkeye10,
hawk, You're always out of your "league" about facts. When I ask you to prove anything from any of my over 86,000 posts to prove your claim, you never do.

Give it up! You're a ******* loser.
hawkeye10
 
  0  
Tue 10 Sep, 2013 01:14 pm
@firefly,
shellie herself says that she lied about George threatening anyone with a gun, having a gun in my pocket and moving my hand toward my pocket the 1000 or so times a day that this is going to happen is not making 1000 threats of violence.

I dont know that the law currently recognises the separation but regardless by mutual agreement this is now Georges place and not hers, if she comes over she does so as a guest and must properly seek permision.
hawkeye10
 
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Tue 10 Sep, 2013 01:18 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

hawk, You're always out of your "league" about facts. When I ask you to prove anything from any of my over 86,000 posts to prove your claim, you never do.

Give it up! You're a ******* loser.

so you are again empty of thread topic contributions I see.
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firefly
 
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Tue 10 Sep, 2013 01:22 pm
@hawkeye10,
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I dont know that the law currently recognises the separation but regardless by mutual agreement this is now Georges place and not hers, if she comes over she does so as a guest and must properly seek permision

What, do you just make up your own laws? Rolling Eyes

They aren't legally separated, and it's not even clear that he's even been served with the divorce papers yet. There is no evidence of any "mutual agreement".

And obviously, she still has a key, and he hasn't changed the locks. She is legally entitled to enter her own residence.

It is likely she expected he would not be at the house and he decided to show up anyway.

George did not have Shellie and her father charged with trespassing...because they were entitled to be on the premises.

Stop blowing hot air. It just continues to show you don't know what you are talking about.
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hawkeye10
 
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Tue 10 Sep, 2013 01:22 pm
@firefly,
firefly wrote:



Backing off on having George Zimmerman arrested yesterday may not have been a great idea--it might make him feel even more "invincible".



likewise backing off of having Shellie arrested for lying to the police and tresspassing might have been a mistake, as it allowed her aggressions against George to go unchallenged by the state, and she might well go after him again.
hawkeye10
 
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Tue 10 Sep, 2013 01:31 pm
@hawkeye10,
Quote:
"We did not find a gun, did not locate a weapon," said Zach Hudson, public information officer with the Lake Mary Police Department. "Nobody ever saw a gun. A gun is not part of this story."
Still, a gun was at the crux of the account Shellie Zimmerman provided to 911 dispatchers when calling for help.
"He continually has his hand on his gun and he keeps saying, 'Step closer.' He is just threatening all of us," Shellie can be heard telling dispatchers.

> LIKE ABC ACTION NEWS ON FACEBOOK FOR ZIMMERMAN UPDATES
Hudson told ABC Action News Shellie provided a written statement Monday night saying she never saw a gun and only assumed her estranged husband was carrying a weapon because he touched his stomach.
Shellie called police to her father's home on Sprucewood Road around 2 p.m. She claimed George punched her father in the face and threatened both of them with a gun.
"He accosted my father and then took my IPad and then smashed it and cut it with a pocketknife. I don't know what he is capable of. I am really really scared," Shellie told dispatchers.
According to authorities, Shellie's father did not have any visible injuries.
In the 911 call, Shellie asked the dispatcher to send paramedics because her father's nose looked like it was broken

There are also other inconsistencies police pointed to on the 911.
Shellie told dispatchers that officers arrived and had their guns drawn. She said George was sitting in his car. Fearing George would start shooting, she told the dispatcher her and her father were going inside.
According to police, George was not in his car when they arrived but was standing in the yard. They say he was also very cooperative and allowed police to search his person.





Read more: http://www.abcactionnews.com/dpp/news/region_tampa/lake-mary-police-are-now-calling-into-question-several-statements-shellie-zimmerman-made-to-911#ixzz2eWI7jeZ5


the bitch is a habitual liar, this is more of the same.....
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revelette
 
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Tue 10 Sep, 2013 01:37 pm
@hawkeye10,
Why was George detained by the police if Shellie was the aggressor? Also, O'Mara said George had a firearm on him.

Quote:
CNN) -- No charges were filed against George Zimmerman after an alleged altercation with his estranged wife and her father, Lake Mary, Florida, Police Chief Steve Bracknell said Monday.

"Shellie Zimmerman has declined prosecution (after consulting with her attorney)," Bracknell said.

Police answered a 911 call from Shellie Zimmerman on Monday afternoon during which she said George Zimmerman had threatened her and her father with a weapon. Officers detained George Zimmerman but never arrested him, police said. Detectives later came to the home to interview him.

The question of the gun became confused later when police told reporters there was no gun involved, but George Zimmerman's attorney told CNN's Anderson Cooper 360 that he believed his client had a firearm on him.

"He acted appropriately. He never took the weapon out," said Mark O'Mara, who is also a CNN legal analyst. O'Mara said he never saw the gun.


source

firefly
 
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Tue 10 Sep, 2013 01:37 pm
@hawkeye10,
Quote:
likewise backing off of having Shellie arrested for lying to the police...

She didn't lie to the police--when she spoke to the police she told them she never saw the gun.
And she didn't lie to the police dispatcher about his having a gun, or about his reaching toward it.

Despite the fact this information has already been posted, you continue to lie about it. Try being honest for a change
Quote:
O'Mara confirmed Zimmerman had his gun on him. "He was armed ... He put his hand (on the gun) to make sure it was holstered," he said. "He knows how to carry responsibly."
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/chi-george-zimmerman-police-custody-20130909,0,3625334.story

So he did have a gun and he did put his hand on it--Shellie Zimmerman did not lie about that.
When the police arrived, the gun was in the car, according to O'Mara, and they did not have a search warrant for the car.
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as it allowed her aggressions against George to go unchallenged by the state, and she might well go after him again...

Her aggressions? Laughing He was the one with a gun. He also apparently took out a pen knife and used that to destroy her ipad.

So, what "aggression" did she engage in--calling the cops because he was behaving in an aggressive and threatening manner?

She wasn't trespassing, that's her residence too. And she entered it lawfully, with her key.

Poor George Zimmerman, always the poor victim of other people's aggressions. Laughing

Your defense of him is as lame as your arguments usually are.




hawkeye10
 
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Tue 10 Sep, 2013 01:53 pm
@firefly,
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Police said Tuesday that they could still pursue domestic violence charges against George Zimmerman, or possibly even Shellie or her father if the evidence warrants. Officers say they plan to look at surveillance video from cameras outside the house, along with footage possibly taken on Shellie's iPad that was allegedly smashed during the encounter, before making a decision. Still, as of Tuesday, Hudson suggested that based on what they currently know they remain convinced that "a gun is not a part of the equation.

http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2013/09/10/george_zimmerman_gun_shellie_zimmerman_changes_her_story_says_husband_didn.html

we will see who if anyone gets charged, but it is very clear that Shellie is not all innocent here.
revelette
 
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Tue 10 Sep, 2013 01:56 pm
@firefly,
Apparently the IPad is being sent to a lab.

George Zimmerman Smashed iPad That Had Video Of Confrontation, Wife Claims

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BillRM
 
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Tue 10 Sep, 2013 01:59 pm
@revelette,
Quote:
Why was George detained by the police if Shellie was the aggressor? Also, O'Mara said George had a firearm on him.


Given all the death threats that the government is doing zero about directed at him if I was Zimmerman I would not go to the bathroom in the middle of the night in my own home without a firearm.

Sorry I know that you assholes are happy that you and the state political trial put enough pressure on an innocent man and his wife to break up their marriage however if there had been any indication that Zimmerman had wave a gun around or assaulted his wife he would had been arrested at once.

Waving a gun around all by itself is a felony in Florida and any sign of domestic abused call for an arrest no matter what the other party wish for.

Sad sad that this is happening but hardly surprising given the pressure that family had been under with special note of all the death threats that people like Firefly are so happy about as after all it is all his fault that he dare to defend himself from this so call child IE Trayvon.
revelette
 
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Tue 10 Sep, 2013 02:01 pm
@hawkeye10,
She may not be however, whether the police saw the gun or not Zimmerman's lawyer said he had it on his person and even described how he kept it safe to the police.

Quote:
O’MARA: He acted appropriately. He never took the weapon out. The only thing he really did, which is what he told the police, was on the outside of his shirt, he made sure the gun wasn’t moving anywhere and didn’t do anything because Mr. Dean [Zimmerman's father-in-law] was sort of coming at him, that can sort of be seen in the video.
COOPER: So he had the gun actually on his person, not like in the glove box of his car?

O’MARA: That’s correct


From my previous link.
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Frank Apisa
 
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Tue 10 Sep, 2013 02:02 pm
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:

Quote:
Why was George detained by the police if Shellie was the aggressor? Also, O'Mara said George had a firearm on him.


Given all the death threats that the government is doing zero about directed at him if I was Zimmerman I would not go to the bathroom in the middle of the night in my own home with a firearm.

Sorry I know that you assholes are happy that you and the state political trial put enough pressure on an innocent man and his wife to break up their married however if there had been any indication that Zimmerman had wave a gun around or assaulted his wife he would had been arrested at once.

Waving a gun around all by itself is a felony in Florida and any sign of domestic abused call for an arrest no matter what the other party wish for.

Sad sad that this is happening but hardly surprising given the pressure that family had been under with special note of all the death threats that people like Firefly are so happy about as after all it is all his fault that he dare to defend himself from this so call children.



It is very, very sad, Bill. All the guy did was kill one black kid that people like you are sure would have grown up to be a menace to society.

It is very, very sad.
BillRM
 
  -1  
Tue 10 Sep, 2013 02:02 pm
@hawkeye10,
Quote:
we will see who if anyone gets charged, but it is very clear that Shellie is not all innocent here


Well it is my understanding she broke their agreement of when she would come to removed properties from the house to start with but given what those fairly young couple had needed to deal with over the last year or so I am not fast in assigning blame on anyone.
Frank Apisa
 
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Tue 10 Sep, 2013 02:03 pm
@Frank Apisa,
There was a tiny bit of sarcasm in that last post, just in case you missed it, Bill.
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hawkeye10
 
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Tue 10 Sep, 2013 02:06 pm
@BillRM,
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“It’s been pretty badly damaged,” Hudson told the Orlando Sentinel, adding that George Zimmerman could potentially be charged with destruction of evidence if authorities confirm Shellie Zimmerman’s allegation that he destroyed the device
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In Florida when it comes to domestic violence, the person in question doesn't have the right to press charges or not press charges," Hudson said, adding that police investigate and "we either forward charges (to the State Attorney's Office) or make an arrest on scene."

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/09/10/ipad-video-could-be-key-in-george-zimmerman-domestic-dispute-probe/#ixzz2eWQlnbf7


I can see it now, he reached for the phone, it broke when she dropped it, and they charge him with destruction of evidence.....this would be par for the course by this abusive state.
BillRM
 
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Tue 10 Sep, 2013 02:08 pm
@Frank Apisa,
Quote:
l the guy did was kill one black kid that people like you are sure would have grown up to be a menace to society.


Trayvon proven that night, at the moment of attacking Zimmerman, that he had already grown up enough to be a menace to society.

Thank god it was an armed citizen and not a defenseless victim such as for example a world war two vet or a woman with some nice looking jewelry for that matter on her.
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firefly
 
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Tue 10 Sep, 2013 02:16 pm
@BillRM,
Quote:
Sorry I know that you assholes are happy that you and the state political trial put enough pressure on an innocent man and his wife to break up their married...

Except Shellie Zimmerman walked out on George the day before he shot Trayvon Martin.

And she might not have returned to him if he had not gotten himself in such serious trouble. She was trying to be loyal to him. Support the creep failed to give her when she was in the legal trouble he had gotten her into.
Quote:
if I was Zimmerman I would not go to the bathroom in the middle of the night in my own home with a firearm

Oh, I agree. I don't think Zimmerman should have a firearm at any time or in any place--he's far too unstable and reckless. He might even turn the gun on himself--he has a history of making suicide threats.
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with special note of all the death threats that people like Firefly are so happy about..

Could you please quote me directly, where I said I was happy about death threats? You're as big a liar as George Zimmerman.

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firefly
 
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Tue 10 Sep, 2013 02:24 pm
@hawkeye10,
Quote:
this would be par for the course by this abusive state.

Just can't stop playing the victim card, can you? Laughing

Poor men, when these victims aren't being abused by women, they're getting abused by the state. Laughing Your constant victim mantra is really tedious. You never stop whining. Laughing
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