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The State of Florida vs George Zimmerman: The Trial

 
 
firefly
 
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Tue 10 Sep, 2013 10:11 am
Shellie and George Zimmerman were "hiding out" in some pretty nice digs. It's where George is still holed up.
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George and Shellie Zimmerman's house: Worth $240,000 with a pool, spa and fireplace

It's the house where Lake Mary police responded Monday to a report of a domestic dispute between the couple.

By Rene Stutzman, Orlando Sentinel
September 10, 2013

The house where George and Shellie Zimmerman lived during his trial – and for nearly a year leading up to it – was no trailer in the woods.

It is a two-story, $240,000 home on a cul-de-sac with landscaping, a pool and spa in the backyard and two security cameras trained on its front door.

It’s also less than 10 minutes from the Seminole County criminal courthouse where Zimmerman stood trial on a second-degree murder charge for killing Trayvon Martin and was acquitted in July.

In an interview with ABC News two weeks ago, Shellie Zimmerman described their lives in hiding as “gypsies … We lived in a 20-foot trailer in the woods.”

But that was for a short period of time. On Sept. 5, according to GPS records at the Seminole County Sheriff’s Office, the couple moved for the last time.

It was into the large house not far from the courthouse, according to George Zimmerman’s drivers license records. The home is owned by Shellie Zimmerman’s parents.

The house is at the end of a quiet street of similar homes and is surrounded by woods on three sides.

It is the house where police took Zimmerman into custody Monday after Shellie Zimmerman called police saying her estranged husband had threatened her and her father with a gun, a claim denied by Zimmerman’s lawyer Mark O’Mara.

Zimmerman’s address became public last week after a Lake Mary police officer pulled him over on Rinehart Road and gave him a ticket for driving 60 mph in a 45-mph zone.

According to Shellie Zimmerman’s divorce petition, they separated Aug. 13.

They had lived together in the house until earlier this month. Zimmerman still lives there, O’Mara said.

The Zimmermans paid $1,000 a month rent, according to statements previously posted about his legal-defense fund by defense attorney Mark O’Mara.

The house has more than 2,500 of livable square feet and a market value of $240,000, according to the Seminole County Property Appraiser.

The house was built in 1990, and the backyard is dominated by a two-tier pool and spa with four water jets shaped like lions’ heads. Also in the backyard is a patio with a second-story deck.

Before the Zimmermans moved in, they had hopscotched between extended-stay hotels trying to find a place that would have them, that would be safe and that was in Seminole County, according to a lawsuit filed against Zimmerman by former bodyguards.

Zimmerman, a former Neighborhood Watch volunteer, shot 17-year-old Trayvon in Sanford last year, setting off civil-rights marches across the country.

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2013-09-10/news/os-george-zimmerman-fancy-house-20130909_1_shellie-zimmerman-george-zimmerman-trayvon-martin
hawkeye10
 
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Tue 10 Sep, 2013 10:25 am
@firefly,
news accounts are garbled but in addition to her lie about george threatening with a gun it appears she lied about george "just showing up" at the house, he lives there, it was she who showed up unexpectedly. my guess is that this event was fully the result of victim cultur promoters messing with her head, the woman now invents abusers in her own mind.
cicerone imposter
 
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Tue 10 Sep, 2013 10:27 am
@OmSigDAVID,
Being a good vigilante watch captain, or neighborhood watch as they are called, are supposed to call the police and let them handle any crime. Those are the rules for neighborhood watch members.

But, you're too stupid, even as an attorney, to understand basic rules of justice.
You didn't even know what "double jeopardy" meant.

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firefly
 
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Tue 10 Sep, 2013 10:46 am
@Frank Apisa,
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.you are assuming it was not provoked by Zimmerman...who is getting a track record of being an initiator of these kinds of things

Zimmerman certainly is an instigator and provocateur. That was even evident at his bail hearings, where his manipulative and deceptive concealment of evidence provoked the judge into an explosive rant about him. And his recent visit to a gun factory, where he posed for a smiling photo, was certainly provocative.
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Zimmerman, 29, was briefly put in a patrol car and later the former neighborhood watchman accused his wife of being the aggressor in the incident, he said.

Isn't it amazing how Zimmerman always claims the other person is the aggressor and he just reacts defensively Rolling Eyes--he said that about his ex-fiancée after she got a restraining order, said that about Trayvon Martin, now he's saying it about Shellie and her father.

Zimmerman's reckless actions since his acquittal are a good indication of how recklessly and provocatively he acted the night he shot Trayvon Martin, particularly by stalking him. And the actual shooting was likely reckless as well, given no evidence to support any "head pounding" and given the considerable evidence that Zimmerman had only very minor injuries, his opponent was unarmed, Zimmerman was a trained fighter, and he knew the police were en route.

Zimmerman has a real knack for provoking people--and for then claiming he's only reacting "defensively". He's quite the instigator.
hawkeye10
 
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Tue 10 Sep, 2013 11:01 am
@firefly,
shellie showed up unannounced and unexpectedly, THAT was the original provocative act here......
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firefly
 
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Tue 10 Sep, 2013 11:15 am
@hawkeye10,
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news accounts are garbled but in addition to her lie about george threatening with a gun it appears she lied about george "just showing up" at the house, he lives there

There is no indication she "lied" about the gun. She modified her statement to the police--after two lawyers at the scene got involved and likely convinced her to tone it down--but Zimmerman did have a gun with him, and his lawyer admits he did put his hand on it.
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O'Mara confirmed Zimmerman had his gun on him. "He was armed ... He put his hand (on the gun) to make sure it was holstered," he said. "He knows how to carry responsibly."
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/chi-george-zimmerman-police-custody-20130909,0,3625334.story

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shellie showed up unannounced and unexpectedly, THAT was the original provocative act here......

The house was vacant when Shellie went there to remove some things. And it is very possible that he had let her know he wouldn't be there, but then decided, unexpectedly to show up. I don't think she would have gone to the house at a time he was in it, or expected to return to it, I do think she's trying to avoid contact with him because she is fearful of what he might do. I think it is much more likely that he showed up unexpectedly, and that was the provocative act. That's his pattern.
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my guess is that this event was fully the result of victim cultur promoters messing with her head, the woman now invents abusers in her own mind.

No, I think this event was the result of George Zimmerman, once again, failing to exercise appropriate self-control, particularly over his aggressive impulses.

And it's George Zimmerman who is still playing the role of victim--he's claiming Shellie and her father were the aggressors against him--meanwhile, he was the one who had a gun and put his hand on it.

Shellie Zimmerman isn't acting like a victim, and she's certainly not "inventing" any abuse--she's dealing with a man who has a track record for abusing females, and he's already killed one person. Her fears about him are justified. The police aren't about to take chances with him either, which is why 8 police units responded to the scene.

And you're a big promoter of the "victim culture"--particularly how men are always being victimized. Laughing And you've already told us how poor George Zimmerman was victimized and abused by the justice system because they arrested and tried him for no good reason, according to you. The fact he killed an unarmed minor under questionable circumstances, and should have been held legally accountable for that, seems to have eluded you. You love to promote a "victim culture"--as long as the victims are male.

George Zimmerman ain't no innocent victim.


Frank Apisa
 
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Tue 10 Sep, 2013 11:16 am
Firefly...Zimmerman's defenders are even worse. They defend the indefensible.
cicerone imposter
 
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Tue 10 Sep, 2013 11:30 am
@Frank Apisa,
It's obvious from their attempts to defend Zimmerman who has a history of criminal behavior, his lies to the judge and his lawyer, drugs that affects his balance and "seeing things not there," and threats to his wife.

But, they keep trying to rationalize the obvious defects of this character, George Zimmerman with their own creative imaginations about what happened. None that they can back up from the evidence presented anywhere.
Frank Apisa
 
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Tue 10 Sep, 2013 11:35 am
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

It's obvious from their attempts to defend Zimmerman who has a history of criminal behavior, his lies to the judge and his lawyer, drugs that affects his balance and "seeing things not there," and threats to his wife.

But, they keep trying to rationalize the obvious defects of this character, George Zimmerman with their own creative imaginations about what happened. None that they can back up from the evidence presented anywhere.


It is amazing, ci.

I am beginning to wonder if this guy is going to go so far off the reservation...that even his "defend him at all costs" groupies will finally capitulate!
cicerone imposter
 
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Tue 10 Sep, 2013 11:38 am
@Frank Apisa,
I don't see that coming. It's sorta like their belief in guns and religion (I didn't say god(s)). No rational explanation will change their minds.
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Baldimo
 
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Tue 10 Sep, 2013 11:41 am
@cicerone imposter,
You want to talk about imaginations? He was taking meds that caused him to fall over and hit his head? Was the broken nose from Martin "accidentally" hitting his face bending over to help him up?

Talk about presenting facts that were never in the trial. Keep telling yourself these things CI. You are a farce of facts.
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firefly
 
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Tue 10 Sep, 2013 11:42 am
@Frank Apisa,
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Firefly...Zimmerman's defenders are even worse. They defend the indefensible.

They definitely picked the wrong poster boy to champion concealed carry gun laws and stand your ground self-defense laws.

Now they are stuck trying to defend this obviously unstable man, who continues to behave in a reckless impulsive manner, and who continues to provoke and instigate, and who continues to show poor judgment.

Most responsible gun owners wouldn't want to see someone like that continuing to carry a gun.

His defenders in this thread, confronted with the indefensible, feel obligated to "stick to their guns" even if it involves their complete denial of reality, or their fabricating, or rationalizing, to avoid facing reality. It is fascinating to watch such maneuvering to avoid the truth.
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I am beginning to wonder if this guy is going to go so far off the reservation...that even his "defend him at all costs" groupies will finally capitulate!

Naw...they'll say it was the stress of his unfair and unnecessary and "political persecution" trial that drove him over the brink. They'll continue to promote Zimmerman as a victim.

They'll never acknowledge that he's been a walking time bomb all along, and that's why Trayvon Martin wound up dead.

cicerone imposter
 
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Tue 10 Sep, 2013 11:48 am
@firefly,
They don't realize how much more foolish they look to others as they continue to defend this unstable sob. They need to get "another life." They still don't realize they're on the losing end of an endless debate about reality.
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spendius
 
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Tue 10 Sep, 2013 12:01 pm
@firefly,
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It is fascinating to watch such maneuvering to avoid the truth.


How can that be fascinating ff? It's happening all the time and all around. It's banal. Trying to pretend it is unusual is presumably meant to imply that you don't do such things and nor do those whose approval you seek.

You pretend that when sat. fats and sugar are prettied up into the confections you drool over they have ceased to be sat.fats and sugar.

And you try to pretend that racism only exists in the forms you want it to and which are simply more honest.
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hawkeye10
 
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Tue 10 Sep, 2013 12:34 pm
I am with George here if he was hot, as iI would be too if the chick who was divorcing me blow off an agreed time to get the rest of her things then showed up the next day without telling me going in to my place when I was not home. Talk about a provacative act!
cicerone imposter
 
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Tue 10 Sep, 2013 12:49 pm
@hawkeye10,
So, hawk, you value your personal belongings over somebody's life. Yea, you show your true colors. People like you make me sick!
hawkeye10
 
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Tue 10 Sep, 2013 12:54 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

So, hawk, you value your personal belongings over somebody's life. Yea, you show your true colors. People like you make me sick!

I value the keeping of words, the showing of respect, and leaving relationships with honor, none of which Shellie seems up to.
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firefly
 
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Tue 10 Sep, 2013 12:55 pm
@hawkeye10,
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I am with George here if he was hot, as iI would be too if the chick who was divorcing me blow off an agreed time to get the rest of her things then showed up the next day without telling me going in to my place when I was not home. Talk about a provacative act!

And where is your evidence that's what occurred?

You falsely accused Shellie Zimmerman of lying about the gun--and I showed you up about that. His lawyer admitted Zimmerman had a gun and did put his hand on it. So your credibility about this incident is nonexistent.

It's not "his place"--this is her residence as well, they are still married. Who says she can't go there?

I definitely think she would want to go there when he was not at home and that she had arranged for that. She said last week that she was fearful of what he might do to her, and I don't think she'd want a confrontation with him. It is likely he knew she was going there and he was the one who showed up unexpectedly. He's the one with a pattern as a provocateur.

The provocation was Zimmerman putting his hands on someone else--something Zimmerman's lawyer does not deny he did--and making threats while making motions toward his gun--and his lawyer admits Zimmerman did have a gun and that he moved his hand toward it.

Stop trying to turn Zimmerman into a victim. Stop promoting a "victim culture".
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I value the keeping of words, the showing of respect, and leaving relationships with honor, none of which Shellie seems up to

I don't know about Shellie, but George Zimmerman certainly seems incapable of doing that, judging by his behavior yesterday.

I think Shellie Zimmerman just wants to get away from this unstable dangerous creep, and he seems to be the one interfering with that--just as he interfered with Trayvon Martin's attempts to get away from him, just as he interfered with his ex-fiancee's attempts to get away from him by stalking her.

You're just displaying your ignorance about Zimmerman and his behavior patterns.
Baldimo
 
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Tue 10 Sep, 2013 12:58 pm
@firefly,
Should be interesting if they can pull some video from the Ipad that was supposed to be assaulted.

Wonder what it is going to show.
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hawkeye10
 
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Tue 10 Sep, 2013 12:58 pm
@firefly,
"vacant" when related to houses in the English language is usually reserved for houses that are empty of both people and belongings, because no one lives there. if you are going to continue to use your own private language could we possibly get a dictionary so that we can decode your posts?
 

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