The State of Florida vs George Zimmerman: The Trial

I represent the position that it is not smart
to beat someone 's head on the street, regardless of whether anyone tells lies.



Ideally, it shud be relevant.





David

Really? How do you know he was unlikely to receive his diploma?
50% of those taking the test fail according to the state of Florida. But as you yourself mentioned you can retake it 5 or 6 times. That would imply a fair number retake it after first failing. (40-50% of each testing class would likely be people taking it again. 50% fail but their graduation rate is 75%.) And I believe I also posted that 29% of college students need remedial classes which belies your argument that someone can't go to college if they would fail such a test.

Care to show us where the jury said that?

Some legal experts may have stated that but clearly other legal experts felt differently. You can get legal experts to disagree on just about anything.

O, it does really???
Will u show how the logic of that WORKS, please ??

According to Mr. Parados,
I will wear a red hat: BECAUSE I CAN! ? !

I look forward to your wisdom.





David

Sorry few if any legal experts consider that the case have any merit from the beginning. It was a political trial an nothing but a political trial having as must to do about the proper working of the legal system as that current petition to have Federal charges file against Zimmerman does.



I had already posted the jury instructions and if the jury did not come to the conclusion that the shooting was a justifiable homicide their verdict under those instructions would need to be at least a manslaughter conviction.

PS I am hoping the new book that I have already refer to will give us all some more information on the behind the scene wheeling and dealings that resulted in a GOP governor going along with a political trial at the bidding of Al Sharpton and gang.

I guess if we assume Bill had said you were unlikely to wear a read hat then you can argue whatever you want.

I never said anyone would wear a read hat because they can. Math shows that a many MUST retake the test and pass. Perhaps you can figure it out.

50% fail the test but they can retake it
You must pass the test to graduate HS
75% of students graduate HS.

Are you willing to argue that no one retakes the test or no one that retakes the test passes? I bet you will try to argue that because you CAN!

And I'm sure you could post pictures of white 14 year old boys who have killed, tortured and raped as well. But what would be the point?

None of those children have anything to do with the child George Zimmerman killed. Trayvon Martin had no record of any criminal or anti-social behavior in the community, and no history of having hurt or harmed anyone.

The diversionary game is the one you are engaging in by not wanting to focus on the fact that George Zimmerman erroneously profiled this particular child, who was just minding his business and just meandering home from a trip to the store. Trayvon Martin didn't target Zimmerman, it was Zimmerman who recklessly began pursuing him, it was Zimmerman who interfered with his life, and his security, as he walked home.

People should look at Trayvon Martin's picture to remind them he was not just an anonymous black young man, he was a specific individual. They should look at his picture to remind them he was real and not just a fantasy.

The diversionary game is all the bullshit that is being invented about Martin to try to turn him into some stereotype of an anti-social ghetto black "hoodlum". The diversionary game is all the crap about whether he was "college material" or was on a fast-track to prison. All of that fantasizing has nothing to do with the reality that this kid never got to have a future, and it is a diversionary game to try to avoid dealing with the fact that George Zimmerman profiled and recklessly stalked an innocent kid who wasn't doing anything wrong, and who had a right to continue his journey home unbothered, undisturbed, and safe.

From what we know of Trayvon it was not looking good for him getting a HS diploma.

For one thing it is very helpful if you can avoid having suspensions from HS.

Something Trayvon was not doing.

What a load of bull ****.

Here's a legal expert that shows your argument to be bull ****.

So the jury only had to feel the prosecution wasn't able to prove Zimmerman did NOT act in self defense. That is NOT the same thing as the jury finding he acted in self defense. They were capable of having doubt and reaching their verdict.

What utter nonsense Bill.
How many times as Trayvon suspended in 4 years? 2 times? 20?

I can find multiple instances of honor students and valedictions being suspended from school. Are you going to argue that none of them ever graduated?

Sorry, BillRM, all black children are not alike.

Try putting aside your blatantly racist attitudes long enough to consider the reality of the particular child, an individual, that George Zimmerman erroneously profiled and stalked--a child with no history of anti-social and criminal behaviors, and no history of having ever hurt or harmed anyone--and a child who wasn't bothering anyone as he walked home from the store that night.

George Zimmerman, because of his personal obsessions, poor judgment, and impulsivity, lacked the self control to behave appropriately and just remain in his car. And because of that, he recklessly created the conditions that led to the totally needless death of this child.

That is how the system work but there was no evidence that I saw that would indicate that he did not act in self defense during his trial. Hell most of the prosecutor witnesses ended up sounding more like defense witnesses to the point it was amusing.

If the system did not bend due to pressure of Al Sharpton and gang there would have been no charges and no trial at all.

Only after great pressure was placed on the government to charge him was he so charge and the earlier and correct decision to not charge him was overrule.

Not in the HS I went to that honor students less alone valedictions were being suspended and then add in his inability to pass a test that show he could not work at the tenth grade level in the tenth grade and it does not look good at all for Mr. Martin.

He surely was no honor student to say the least.

What has that got to do with the fact that George Zimmerman lacked the self control, and appropriate judgment, to remain in his car that night?

What has that got to do with the fact that George Zimmerman erroneously profiled and stalked an innocent kid that night? He went after a teen who wasn't doing, or planning to do, anything criminal, he was simply minding his own business and returning from a trip to the store.

It's rather bizarre that you are focusing on Trayvon Martin's college prospects rather than on the reckless actions of his killer--the inappropriate actions by George Zimmerman that created the circumstances for this needless death.

Had George Zimmerman had the appropriate judgment and impulse control to have remained in his car, Trayvon Martin would have made it home safely. It was George Zimmerman's needless, and unjustifiable, intrusion on this journey that cost Trayvon Martin his life.

The thought that Zimmerman continues to walk around armed, and according to his wife now feels "invincible", is rather frightening, given his history of erroneous and impaired judgment and lack of impulse control, and the fact that has already led to one needless and avoidable death.

Why don't you address what sort of continuing danger Zimmerman might pose to others he could erroneously profile?

Such an expression, ff, implies that there are subtle or inconspicuous racist attitudes. Which, of course, there are. Your emphasis on one American victim at the expense, say, of the proposed Syrian victims of an attack with US missiles, is a reasonable example of the relativity of a word like "blatant". Racism as an error is a timeless truth born of thought and not a fact in the real world of deeds.



Such characteristics are not uncaused. Responsibility for them cannot be laid entirely at his door. Some say not at all. He can be seen as a victim of the cultural landscape he has been exposed to in combination with certain hereditary conditions. The "nurturists" would see the former as the biggest factor and the extremists among them would see it as the only factor.

Were you on the jury? If not, then your feelings have nothing to do with the jury and what they ruled.

Once more they ruled as I would had rule that he was innocent!!!!!!!!!!!!!

No, they didn't rule "innocent."

George Zimmerman is fully responsible for all of his actions that led to a totally needless and completely avoidable death. He was not found to be legally incompetent or to have had diminished capacity.

I'm not going to indulge your penchant for philosophic meandering on this issue. If you're interested in pursuing that line of thought, start another thread on that topic. For purposes of this discussion, Zimmerman is regarded as competent, and, therefore, responsible for his actions of that night--all of his actions.

One of the most distressing, and revealing, things about George Zimmerman's character is his failure to take responsibility for his actions of that night. When asked if, in retrospect, he would change anything he did that night, he said, "No," because he attributes it all to, "God's plan."

That George Zimmerman has no apparent insight into his errors in judgment, or his reckless behaviors, and seems unable to acknowledge or address them, is what would make him a continuing danger to others. And that's a disturbing aspect of his acquittal. This emotionally disturbed man now feels "invincible" because he just got away with behaving recklessly, he just got away with causing a needless death that was the consequence of his impaired judgment and lack of self control.

For someone like George Zimmerman to feel "invincible", and to continue to obtain guns, is a disquieting thought. He knows he can beat the legal system. He tried to do that at his bail hearing by deceiving the judge, but he got caught at that. However, it was his wife who wound up with the legal consequences of the perjury, and not George Zimmerman. This guy must have a very heady sense that he can get away with anything. And that's scary, in terms of a continuing danger he poses to others.

And, unfortunately, all of the right-wingers who support Zimmerman, and consider his trial as a "political prosecution" collude in helping Zimmerman to avoid looking at his own responsibility for what happened that night. The man erroneously profiled and stalked an innocent unarmed kid, and he wound up killing him. Of course he should have been arrested, of course he should have been held legally accountable for his actions. That that did not occur immediately after this shooting called for a public outcry.

You can't walk around killing people and not expect to be held answerable. But the right-wingers, who are the real race-baiters in their version of this scenario, are trying to promote a false narrative of Zimmerman as the innocent victim of some unprovoked attack. But the innocent victim was the one Zimmerman erroneously profiled and stalked--a kid who was doing absolutely nothing wrong. By helping him to feel like the victim, his right-wing supporters also help him to evade any sense of personal responsibility for causing a needless death, they are enabling Zimmerman, not helping him. And Zimmerman isn't a victim of the legal system either. His arrest was justified because he committed a homicide under questionable circumstances. And he received a very fair, and public trial. That's how the system should work, this was not a "political prosecution". People do not have a license to kill.

But, rather than just be happy that Zimmerman was acquitted, his right-wing supporters will continue to try to promote him as a victim, because that's their political agenda. So, Zimmerman, a very flawed and disturbed man, becomes "an upstanding citizen" and his victim, a kid who was just minding his own business that night, becomes transformed into a cartoon version of some black ghetto "hoodlum"--it's all fantasy.

And it's all race-baiting on the part of these right-wingers who are desperately trying to deny that an innocent kid was erroneously profiled on the basis of the color of his skin. So, if the black community rightfully reacts to issues of racial profiling, and racism, and inequity, particularly in the criminal justice system, these right-wingers paradoxically accuse them of being the racial instigators and they try to to disparage and silence them. These people don't want to hear the grievances of the black community, these people have little regard or respect for those black voices--particularly the voice of the one who occupies the White House. The name of this game is Get Obama. It's the typical right-wing playbook, they've just slapped Zimmerman's face on the cover.

Meanwhile, George Zimmerman, who seems not to have learned a damn thing from his past reckless mistakes and errors in judgment, is walking around with a gun, feeling "invincible"...that's what people should be really concerned about.