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The State of Florida vs George Zimmerman: The Trial

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boomerang
 
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Sat 7 Sep, 2013 01:01 pm
@firefly,
Well said, firefly.
Moment-in-Time
 
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Sat 7 Sep, 2013 01:07 pm
@firefly,
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You mean BillRM's child pornography stash could be discovered?


Firefly, You are top notch in your repartee.....right up there with Frank Apisa. If I ever needed a lawyer to plead my case you would be it?
Moment-in-Time
 
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Sat 7 Sep, 2013 01:08 pm
@boomerang,
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Well said, firefly.


Ditto!
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Moment-in-Time
 
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Sat 7 Sep, 2013 01:23 pm
@firefly,
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But it's precisely because Zimmerman's actions were so questionable


And this is the primary reason Zimmerman dared not take the stand in his own defense. He would have had to explain why he got out of his car and continued following Trayvon when he was told clearly "you need not do that."

A deep insight into the shady character of the Zimmerman personality can be seen when his bail was set. He claimed he was broke yet he had a web account set up with 135,000 dollars in it and was willing for others to pay his bail. The wife was complicit in this and was given a year's probation and some community work. These people, George Zimmerman and his spouse, are unscrupulous personas. But this really wasn't taken into account and would not have mattered anyway because the jury makeup was practically all white who mostly pigeonhole African Americans.

Also, the prosecutors were not the best and really put forth only token effort.
cicerone imposter
 
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Sat 7 Sep, 2013 01:26 pm
@Moment-in-Time,
It wasn't even "token effort." It was total incompetence.
hawkeye10
 
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Sat 7 Sep, 2013 01:42 pm
@firefly,
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If Zimmerman's advocates could fully accept and support all of his actions of that night, there would be no need to dwell on anything about his shooting victim's past--neither the good nor the bad--because it would all be irrelevant.
With the exception of David maybe no one here has claimed that Zimmerman acted as a God and did nothing wrong. He did nothing legally wrong and since obeying the laws is all that you or anyone else has a right to demand Zimmerman should not be demonized. Draw what ever lessons you want from this sad event to direct you if you are ever faced with the situation George was faced with, but others of us will not sway from our opinion that pursuing a possible bad guy in our neighborhood is the heroic thing to do. The alleged demonization of Martin is nothing but showing behaviors of his that point to a likelihood that he was acting in such a way that night that a responsible and heroic neighborhood watch person would take notice of him and be concerned, as well as point to the likelihood that Zimmerman was telling the truth that he got jumped and beaten by this young man.
Moment-in-Time
 
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Sat 7 Sep, 2013 01:43 pm
@cicerone imposter,
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It wasn't even "token effort." It was total incompetence.


Well, this is what happens when one is poor and with limited funds. If Trayvon's parents had sufficient funds they might have been able to get a first-class legal defense. The private lawyer for Trayvon's parents (Crump) was a disappointment as well, but that made no difference in the outcome.

I recall the OJ Simpson' trial. Now everyone knew this a-s-s-h-o-l-e was guilty, but with his money he was able to put together a Dream Team, and walked free. This is the way it is in America. The poor (especially minorities) are often seen as unimportant, of no significance, imprisoned when many times they are innocent. Money talks.....It does not help that an atmosphere of racism prevails and is alive and well in the US of A!
BillRM
 
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Sat 7 Sep, 2013 01:53 pm
@Moment-in-Time,
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Firefly, You are top notch in your repartee.....right up there with Frank Apisa. If I ever needed a lawyer to plead my case you would be it?


Thanks for keep breaking me up.
BillRM
 
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Sat 7 Sep, 2013 01:57 pm
@Moment-in-Time,
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nd this is the primary reason Zimmerman dared not take the stand in his own defense. He would have had to explain why he got out of his car and continued following Trayvon when he was told clearly "you need not do that."


Nonsense there was no case and no need for him to explain anything at all.

Second the jury saw hours of Zimmerman talking to the cops over the matter in details and even was willing to take a lie detector test that he pass.

Getting out of his car or not getting out of his car after being told you do not need to do that is beside the point.
Frank Apisa
 
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Sat 7 Sep, 2013 01:57 pm
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:

Quote:
Firefly, You are top notch in your repartee.....right up there with Frank Apisa. If I ever needed a lawyer to plead my case you would be it?


Thanks for keep breaking me up.



Thanks for keep breaking me up.

This from the guy talking about Trayvon Martin's intellectual deficiencies!!!
BillRM
 
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Sat 7 Sep, 2013 01:58 pm
@hawkeye10,
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With the exception of David maybe no one here has claimed that Zimmerman acted as a God and did nothing wrong.


Being an atheist I do not go alone with the god comment but Zimmerman did zero wrong also in my opinion.
hawkeye10
 
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Sat 7 Sep, 2013 02:05 pm
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:

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With the exception of David maybe no one here has claimed that Zimmerman acted as a God and did nothing wrong.


Being an atheist I do not go alone with the god comment but Zimmerman did zero wrong also in my opinion.

if Zimmerman is telling the truth he allowed himself to get jumped, and then he made the mistake of shooting to kill which I dont see how can be justified. Martin ended up dead in part by mistakes Zimmerman made, but they are not the acts for which he has been vilified.
BillRM
 
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Sat 7 Sep, 2013 02:06 pm
@Frank Apisa,
Who know what Trayvon intellect might had happen to be but we do know that he was not interested in using any of that intellect and to the point he did not even passed the FCAT that is needed to get a high school diploma in the state of Florida,

Sorry Frank but he was not showing that he was college material.
hawkeye10
 
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Sat 7 Sep, 2013 02:09 pm
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:

Who know what Trayvon intellect might had happen to be but we do know that he was not interested in using any of that intellect and to the point he did not even passed the FCAT that is needed to get a high school diploma in the state of Florida,

Sorry Frank but he was not showing that he was college material.

and lets not forget that retard that was such a good friend of his.....it is very easy to believe that Martin had a habit of poor decision making based upon the information that has become public knowledge.
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BillRM
 
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Sat 7 Sep, 2013 02:13 pm
@hawkeye10,
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if Zimmerman is telling the truth he allowed himself to get jumped, and then he made the mistake of shooting to kill which I dont see how can be justified. Martin ended up dead in part by mistakes Zimmerman made, but they are not the acts for which he has been vilified.


So it the victim "allow" him or herself to be attacked the attack is the victim fault?

Now he fired once and the resulted was a dead Trayvon and by all self defense training one you do not shot to wound but at the center of mass IE the chest not that I know how you would shoot to wound when you are under someone getting your brain pounded out and second you are suppose to fire two times and then see if the threat to your life still exist or not.



hawkeye10
 
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Sat 7 Sep, 2013 02:18 pm
@BillRM,
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So it the victim "allow" him or herself to be attacked the attack is the victim fault?
in this case yes, he had the better weapons, Zimmerman should have never ended up on the ground with Martin on top of him.

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Now he fired once and the resulted was a dead Trayvon and by all self defense training one you do not shot to wound but at the center of mass IE the chest not that I know how you would shoot to wound when you are under someone getting your brain pounded out and second you are suppose to fire two times and then see if the threat to your life still exist or not.
hit him with a bullet to the shoulder to stun him, kick him off, and then cover till the cops come.

EDIT: one thing I deeply dislike about modern law is that it often acts as a motivator to kill, for instance if a guy rapes a child his best interest lie in making sure that that child ends up dead so they cant talk, as the penalty for raping a child is not much worse than for killing a child and his chances of getting away free improve. In this case Zimmerman had motive to make sure that Martin ended dead, since that state needed to prove that this was not a self defense shooting and we never got to hear from the second and only other person who knew what happened. I dont know that Zimmerman put this much thought into it, but the current self defense laws of Florida which add to the motive to kill are an abomination.
Moment-in-Time
 
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Sat 7 Sep, 2013 02:22 pm
@Frank Apisa,
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This from the guy talking about Trayvon Martin's intellectual deficiencies!!!


When I encounter posters with limited vision who're steeped in hackneyed ideology, I don't bother to post a response. Like what would be the use?! He/she could not be enlighten by me and I surely would not be able to impress them.
Frank Apisa
 
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Sat 7 Sep, 2013 02:30 pm
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:

Who know what Trayvon intellect might had happen to be but we do know that he was not interested in using any of that intellect and to the point he did not even passed the FCAT that is needed to get a high school diploma in the state of Florida,

Sorry Frank but he was not showing that he was college material.


And you would recognize college material...how?

Who would help you?
hawkeye10
 
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Sat 7 Sep, 2013 02:31 pm
@Moment-in-Time,
Moment-in-Time wrote:

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This from the guy talking about Trayvon Martin's intellectual deficiencies!!!


When I encounter posters with limited vision who're steeped in hackneyed ideology, I don't bother to post a response. Like what would be the use?! He/she could not be enlighten by me and I surely would not be able to impress them.


a typical rationalization from the self identified elite for their failure to act. Of course another explanation is that you dont want to take the chance of being proven wrong, your bloated ego could not take it.
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BillRM
 
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Sat 7 Sep, 2013 02:41 pm
@Frank Apisa,
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And you would recognize college material...how?

Who would help you?


Nice living for 33 years as a engineer and a BSEE in 1972 and a SAT score in the top ten percents for that matter.

Oh and never had a problem with being kicked out of high school and so on.

Poor baby keep trying.
 

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