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The State of Florida vs George Zimmerman: The Trial

 
 
BillRM
 
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Sat 7 Sep, 2013 08:35 am
@Frank Apisa,
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f CBS truly "loves" people who screw up the English language, Bill...you should be a shoo-in for the job of president of the Network.


That the very best you can do?

Come to think of it I wonder if Trayvon could read or write beyond text messages or his abilities stop with fighting and stealing women jewelry.
Frank Apisa
 
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Sat 7 Sep, 2013 08:56 am
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:

Quote:
f CBS truly "loves" people who screw up the English language, Bill...you should be a shoo-in for the job of president of the Network.


That the very best you can do?

Come to think of it I wonder if Trayvon could read or write beyond text messages or his abilities stop with fighting and stealing women jewelry.


My guess is that Trayvon Martin could write a hell of a lot better and more intelligently than you, Bill. You write (and reason) at a grammar school level.

I have no idea of why you want to go this insult route, but if you continue, I certain will accomodate you.
BillRM
 
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Sat 7 Sep, 2013 09:03 am
@Frank Apisa,
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My guess is that Trayvon Martin could write a hell of a lot better and more intelligently than you, Bill. You write (and reason) at a grammar school level.


LOL my guess is once more you are dead wrong and if Trayvon had not picked the wrong man to assault that night his future would have been limited at best to going into and out of jail.
Frank Apisa
 
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Sat 7 Sep, 2013 09:07 am
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:

Quote:
My guess is that Trayvon Martin could write a hell of a lot better and more intelligently than you, Bill. You write (and reason) at a grammar school level.


LOL my guess is once more you are dead wrong and if Trayvon had not picked the wrong man to assault that night his future would have been limited at best to going into and out of jail.


Your reasoning and comprehension skills are every bit as miserable as your writing ability, Bill.

You ought to quit while you are behind.
BillRM
 
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Sat 7 Sep, 2013 09:22 am
@Frank Apisa,
Sorry dear but this hoodlum was on the fast track into the prison system and if he had picked someone else to attacked that night, that was not able to defend him or her self, he would have spend many years of his lifetime behind bars just for doing that crime even assuming he did not killed his victim.
firefly
 
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Sat 7 Sep, 2013 09:26 am
@BillRM,
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Come to think of it I wonder if Trayvon could read or write beyond text messages..,.

Well, we know you can't. You couldn't even manage a text message. Laughing

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firefly
 
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Sat 7 Sep, 2013 09:33 am
@BillRM,
How long do you think it will be before George Zimmerman gets arrested again or winds up dead?

He'll continue to show the recklessness, poor judgment, and lack of impulse control he displayed the night he killed Trayvon Martin, so it's only a matter of time until one of those things happens.

And, since his wife just said he now feels "invincible", it may happen much sooner rather than later.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Sat 7 Sep, 2013 09:42 am
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:
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Thay show the mis-characterization of that low life street thug
as being a "child" (in the normal sense).


Of course they did and the desire to do so resulted in the so call news media picking a picture of the young hoodlum dating back many years.

Can not show him as a full growth male doing illegal acts now can we as that does not fit the picture of a poor child gun down for no reason.

Of course they needed to also painted a picture of a mixed race Latin male as a white racist also and the hell with the facts going as far as




editing the 911 tape.
Did Zimmy sue yet for that editing ?
OmSigDAVID
 
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Sat 7 Sep, 2013 09:51 am
@firefly,
firefly wrote:
How long do you think it will be before George Zimmerman gets arrested again or winds up dead?

He'll continue to show the recklessness, poor judgment, and lack of impulse control he displayed the night he killed Trayvon Martin, so it's only a matter of time until one of those things happens.

And, since his wife just said he now feels "invincible", it may happen much sooner rather than later.
He was very loyal to his naborhood, on the night in question.
He went beyond line of duty (if there had been any duty); he 's a good guy!!! Better than most; better than me.
I 'd have just gone home n read a book or watched TV, out of my laziness.

I bow to Zimmy.
BillRM
 
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Sat 7 Sep, 2013 10:13 am
@OmSigDAVID,
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Did Zimmy sue yet for that editing ?


I hear he is planning on doing so and in fact I would bet his lawyers are in settlement talks as there is no real defense for doing what CBS did.
BillRM
 
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Sat 7 Sep, 2013 10:18 am
@OmSigDAVID,
David poor Firefly trying her best to paint a useful citizens as a Trayvon type of hoodlum.

But to answer her question Zimmerman is about as likely to be arrested as she or anyone else that is a useful citizen.

I do suggest that he does not press on the gas pedal as hard as he been doing lately however.
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firefly
 
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Sat 7 Sep, 2013 11:14 am
@BillRM,
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I hear he is planning on doing so and in fact I would bet his lawyers are in settlement talks as there is no real defense for doing what CBS did.

As far as I know, CBS did nothing.

As usual, your facts are inaccurate, and you have no compunction about continuing to post and promote erroneous information about matters of fact. Neither you nor Zimmerman have any regard for the truth.

Suing a major TV network is no walk in the park, and I doubt there are any settlement talks going on. Zimmerman's lawyers would have to show some malicious intent on the network's part, rather than editing done for other purposes, like to shorten the length of an audio clip or a news report. I don't think it will be easy to show malice on the network's part. It really makes little difference whether Zimmerman spontaneously mentioned Martin's skin color or he mentioned it only in response to the dispatcher's question--neither of those tell anyone what was going on in Zimmerman's mind, or why he noticed Martin in the first place. And racial factors and concerns about racial profiling in this case had surfaced and were publicized long before that network aired the edited tape, so the tape may not have had much influence at all. So it will be very hard to prove damages to Zimmerman solely caused by the network. And it will be equally difficult to prove malicious intent.

The issue of race was raised by Tracy Martin the morning after the shooting, when he learned his son had been killed, and that the killer had not been arrested. And that led to the entire public furor about this case, and issues of race in the criminal justice system, that affected the public perception of Zimmerman long before the incident with the edited tape. It will be very hard to prove that the tape affected Zimmerman at all, because of the many other influences that were at play, and were operative, long before the tape was aired.

So, you're just plain wrong. The network has some rather substantial defenses. It's Zimmerman who might not be able to prove he has any case at all.

The allegedly "useful citizen", who was mired in debt and unable to manage his finances before he shot and killed someone, and who has been living on hands-outs ever since, had better consider getting gainful employment rather than counting on any more hand-outs from a TV network--if he can find anyone willing to employ him.
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Frank Apisa
 
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Sat 7 Sep, 2013 11:29 am
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:

Sorry dear but this hoodlum was on the fast track into the prison system and if he had picked someone else to attacked that night, that was not able to defend him or her self, he would have spend many years of his lifetime behind bars just for doing that crime even assuming he did not killed his victim.


Actually, this young man was on the fast track for college.

I understand you cannot acknowledge that, because you want to justify the killing so that when you finally get your chance to kill someone...you will feel even more justified.

You gotta learn to control that.

McGentrix
 
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Sat 7 Sep, 2013 11:41 am
@Frank Apisa,
Frank Apisa wrote:

Actually, this young man was on the fast track for college.

I understand you cannot acknowledge that, because you want to justify the killing so that when you finally get your chance to kill someone...you will feel even more justified.

You gotta learn to control that.


What do you have to back that up? I've seen his tweets and his pictures and the stuff that came out at trial. None of the info I have seen would lead me to believe you so I have to wonder what you have seen or read to lead you to believe this?
Frank Apisa
 
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Sat 7 Sep, 2013 11:48 am
@McGentrix,
McGentrix wrote:

Frank Apisa wrote:

Actually, this young man was on the fast track for college.

I understand you cannot acknowledge that, because you want to justify the killing so that when you finally get your chance to kill someone...you will feel even more justified.

You gotta learn to control that.


What do you have to back that up? I've seen his tweets and his pictures and the stuff that came out at trial. None of the info I have seen would lead me to believe you so I have to wonder what you have seen or read to lead you to believe this?


His brother was in college...and Trayvon's mother and father both said that Trayvon was determined to go to college also.

What else is needed?

Of course the people who want to think he was on a fast track to prison are going to think that no matter what.
BillRM
 
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Sat 7 Sep, 2013 11:53 am
@Frank Apisa,
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His brother was in college...and Trayvon's mother and father both said that Trayvon was determined to go to college also.


LOL and that is why he kept getting kicked out of school for misbehaving.

Yes that is the actions of someone who have plans to finish high school let alone go on to college.

Come on Frank you are trying to sell more bullshit then even Firefly now.
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BillRM
 
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Sat 7 Sep, 2013 12:15 pm
@Frank Apisa,
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http://captainlongschlongsilver.wordpress.com/2012/11/15/trayvon-martin-was-not-eligible-to-graduate-due-to-grades-and-attendance/

In a recent interview with Esquire magazine Sybrina Fulton reveals that Trayvon had failed the State of Florida’s mandatory high school exit exam. Fulton says “He did hit some trouble in his teenage years. He skipped classes and got suspended a couple times. Tracy won’t go into detail, says it was just regular teenage stuff, but Sybrina’s caution is overridden by her disappointment. He didn’t pass the FCAT, she says. The FCAT is Florida’s big standardized test. If you don’t pass, you don’t graduate.”
This comes as a stark contrast to previous scheme team claims that No Limit Astronaut was an honor roll student with mostly A’s and B’s.
(click link to read original article)
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Moment-in-Time
 
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Sat 7 Sep, 2013 12:23 pm
@Frank Apisa,
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Your reasoning and comprehension skills are every bit as miserable as your writing ability, Bill.

You ought to quit while you are behind.


Ah, Frank, you are an exceptionally skilled poster in the art of wittiness! I do so admire your sparkling sense of humor.
BillRM
 
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Sat 7 Sep, 2013 12:33 pm
@Moment-in-Time,
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Ah, Frank, you are an exceptionally skilled poster in the art of wittiness! I do so admire your sparkling sense of humor.


LOL.........
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firefly
 
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Sat 7 Sep, 2013 12:48 pm
@Frank Apisa,
They have to demonize Trayvon Martin because otherwise Zimmerman's actions that night are not fully justifiable--including the fact he did not remain in his car, he disregarded the rules of a neighborhood watch, he never identified himself, and, most importantly, he erroneously profiled someone who had no criminal intentions that night.

Trayvon Martin was a house guest in that community, and all he was doing was returning to that residence after a trip to the store. Zimmerman's actions in following him, when all he was doing was walking around and talking on his cell phone, are not fully justifiable. If those actions were fully justified, and if this shooting was fully justified, nothing about the victim's past history would be at all relevant.

Trayvon Martin could have been an eagle scout and an honor student, but if he had actually been engaging in some sort of criminal behavior, requiring Zimmerman's pursuit of him, or if he had clearly lodged an unprovoked malicious attack on Zimmerman with criminal intent, no one would care that he had led a good life up until that night--Zimmerman would clearly be seen to be in the right, and no one would be harping on the victim's prior virtues.

But it's precisely because Zimmerman's actions were so questionable that even his advocates can't support them unless they turn his victim into someone who justified Zimmerman's mistaken judgment and his impulsive actions. So, of course, they have to turn a high school kid, with no criminal record, into a "hoodlum" and "a thug" and, furthermore, they have to rob this victim of any worth or future by predicting he was on a fast track to a life punctuated by prison terms. If they don't engage in these fantasies, they are left defending a man who erroneously misjudged and followed a kid who was just minding his own business, and whose only plans for that evening included getting home in time to watch a basketball game on TV and waiting for his father to return from a dinner out.

If Zimmerman's advocates could fully accept and support all of his actions of that night, there would be no need to dwell on anything about his shooting victim's past--neither the good nor the bad--because it would all be irrelevant. Zimmerman knew nothing about this young man, he wasn't influenced by this kid's cell phone pictures, or Tweets, or school problems, so Zimmerman's actions of that night should similarly be judged without reference to any of those things--nothing about Trayvon Martin's past is remotely relevant in explaining Zimmerman's actions, or in justifying them. Which is what makes all of these fabricated, and exaggerated, and distorted, portrayals of Martin just desperate attempts to prop up Zimmerman's shaky credibility and questionable behavior.

And the more they try to demonize Trayvon Martin, the more I realize how little faith they put in Zimmerman's credibility, and the more they have to fabricate in order to rationalize, and try to excuse, Zimmerman 's very questionable judgment and his impulsive actions that led to the circumstances of this homicide. They can't accept Zimmerman's version of events unless it's heavily embellished with all sorts of fantasy speculation about his victim--which means they don't really feel comfortable with the fact that this totally needless death would never have happened if Zimmerman had had the good judgment and self control to have remained in his car. They can't accept the fact this was a totally needless and avoidable death. All Martin was doing was walking home, and it was Zimmerman who intruded on, and interfered with, his trip.

If this was such a clear cut case of self defense, with no moral culpability on Zimmerman's part for creating and instigating a provocative situation, there would be no need to cast aspersions on the victim. That they need to keep casting these aspersions speaks volumes...

 

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