The State of Florida vs George Zimmerman: The Trial

@Thomas,

Thomas wrote:

DrewDad wrote:
The whole point, Par, is that Martin was a young, black person.
His proper place is to be submissive and respectful when his betters confront him.

If I was OmSigDavid, I would recommend that in the future,
young Black Florida males use their Second-Amendment rights,
be sure to shoot the likes of Zimmerman [???? Naborhood watchmen shud be shot?? Really??] first,
and then be sure to claim self-defense. It's by far the best course of action for them under Forida law.

A better course of action
is just not to get excited and be civil. Martin was not inclined to do that.
I surmise that he was glad for a chance to apply his MMA learning.
He chose the rong guy for that.

I have never recommended killing anyone without a good reason, Tom.
Zimmy did not give decedent any reason to be violent.
By beating Zimmy 's head on the street, decedent gave Zimmy
a really nifty reason to give him a one-gun salute. It worked.

David

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@BillW,

So now youre' claiming that GZ is deriving cop benefits from being a wannabee cop??

http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f123/lincoln54/stupidpills4.jpg

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@parados,

OmSigDAVID wrote:

parados wrote:
So, you think Martin should have waited until he was shot before defending himself?
He shud not have attacked Zimmy
until Zimmy attacked first, by drawing on him.
Asking him a question
is perfectly peaceful, proper n legitimate.

David

parados wrote:

Sure..
So how do you feel about my shooting you with the gun I have in my pocket?

I disapprove, but I have no emotions.

parados wrote:

No attack there, so you can't defend yourself until I pull it out

That agrees with my analysis of the situation.

parados wrote:

and shoot you.

My interests require me to prevent u from doing that.

David

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@revelette,

revelette wrote:

I find Zimmerman's whole version of events just too convenient
for a guy who followed Martin for no other reason other than "these guys always get away."

It is frequently convenient and ez to explain the truth.
Zimmy was donating his time to suppressing burglaries
in his naborhood by patrolling and watching the area.
That was very nice of him; he is a better man than I am.
Asking strangers what thay r doing in the area
is consistent with that noble motive.

revelette wrote:

The first detectives interrogating Zimmerman hardly questioned him and just brushed aside inconsistencies.

Does that make him ex post facto, retroactively guilty of anything??

revelette wrote:

I keep hoping the state is going to hammer something home,
but so far, all these witnesses in one way or another has helped the defense more than the state.

Well, u hate Zimmy, but he is safe from u
because u r not on his jury.

David

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@farmerman,

farmerman wrote:

I didn't see any news since yesterday where I was watching a summary (totally drop-jawed) where the prosecution used TAPES of Zimmermans interviews by the detectives. There was apparently so much Zimmerman presented to the Jury, why would the defense want to put him on the stand?

Did he screw up really badly? or what inconsistencies need mending?

The absolute worst thing in the world the defense could do is put Z on the stand! The only way the DA could get "depraved mind" requirement (IMHO) is by cross examination of Z. Actually, even if he was on the stand I don't think the DA could get Z to be "angry". He looks to me like he is on some depressant, all the time. Even on the tapes back in Feb 2012. That is the explanation of that blah look on his face all the time and his inability to show emotion.

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Sanford Flori-DUH planning for riots:

http://www.infowars.com/sanford-police-chief-fears-violence-in-response-to-zimmerman-verdict/

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@farmerman,

Quote:

Other pieces of testimony may also have reflected poorly on Mr. Zimmerman. Officer Serino, who took the stand again on Tuesday, said the expletives that Mr. Zimmerman used as he was pursuing Mr. Martin connoted ill will — a necessary component in a second-degree murder conviction
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/03/us/prosecutors-in-zimmerman-trial-ask-jury-to-disregard-comments.html?ref=us&_r=0

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Did he screw up really badly? or what inconsistencies need mending?

He justified going after Martin, not because he was following Martin (he insisted he wasn't following him), but because he had to get an address for the police--in a housing complex that has only 3 streets--and then he said he went somewhere to get a street number when a street number had been clearly visible in the location he had just left. He said Martin approached him from some bushes where he had been concealing himself, in a place that really doesn't have bushes in which someone 5' 11" could have concealed himself....

In one version he shot Martin because Martin was reaching for his gun, in another version it was because Martin was pounding his head on the concrete and he was afraid he'd pass out..

And so on...

And his account is at odds with Rachel Jeantel's testimony about what Martin described to her, and what she could hear..That's as close as we're going to get to hearing Martin's side of the story and it differs considerably from Zimmerman's.

Jeantel's lawyer was on CNN the other night and said something I found interesting. Zimmerman claims Martin said something to him like, "Why you following me, homie?" According to this lawyer, Martin would never have used the term "homie" because that's not a term teenagers use now, it's very outdated. He said that as soon as he heard Zimmerman say that he knew he was lying about Martin and about Martin's actions.

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#Florida trial legalizes murder - formula defined!

Along with this negative outcome include, because of concealed carry and this new formulaic court outcome, everybody must be considered as carrying a firearm - new standard! If you aren't, tough ****, you are just dead, and btw, dead men tell not tale and have no standing as to truth in court! So, kill 'em to get easy defense.

Sad outcome if Z found not guilty. Am I turning this trail into moral and social standing trial? You damn straight! The new wild west - conceal carry is legal in my state and guess what, they wouldn't have even used "Stand Your Ground" which further liberalizes easy murder laws. Truly revolting!

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@firefly,

Ok . the first one could be serious. If he embellishes hois "gun grab" reasoning totally 180 apart then Id say yeh, but Im not sure that one cancels the other. It could be that

1. I felt he was going to grab my gun
and besides
2. He was beating me by slamming my head on the pavement (That is true) I thought Id pass out
(After which -he possibly implies that MArtin could have grabbed his gun from his unconscious body).
Someone said that Zimmerman wasn't smart enough to plan ahead. Possible he WAS scared for his life.

Inconsistency doesn't necessarily mean deception.

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@BillW,

Im thinking odds for manslaughter are low 7 to 5. (involuntary) will carry 15 years. Voluntary carries 30. Im seeing voluntary manslaughter

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@farmerman,

It seems there's another contradiction there; I thought Zimmerman said he had both of Martin's hands in his, and was asking for help.

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@BillW,

BillW wrote:

roger wrote:

I suspect the main reason the jails and prisons are so well occupied is that prosecutors adept at presenting plea arrangements in a manner to make them more attractive than the crap shoot of going to trial on a crime charged at a higher level.

Roger, surely you are not suggesting that most criminals are innocent? Do you realize how much money plea bargaining saves?

Surely, you didn't really understand that from anything I wrote. Really?

And by the way, criminals are not innocent. If they were, they wouldn't be criminals, now would they?

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@roger,

It's hard to figure that one out when Zimmerman, the would be cop, follows a would be criminal, and the would be cop shoots the would be criminal, but Florida law says it can be either one's fault.

It gets a little bit confusing!

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@farmerman,

ci wrote:

It seems there's another contradiction there; I thought Zimmerman said he had both of Martin's hands in his, and was asking for help.

I don't always understand odds that are presented in that manner, to me, I would say that means a high chance of getting a finding of man slaughter. I have always said one of the man slaughters - yes. Takes smoking gun for Murder 2.

If DA is throwing the case, the summation will show this. The biggest thing is the judge making a directed verdict order after DA rests. If it goes on, there will be a guilty on something unless jury goes 5-1, 4-2 cause one is bigoted......

I don't always understand odds that are presented in that manner, to me, I would say that means a high chance of getting a finding of man slaughter. I have always said one of the man slaughters - yes. Takes smoking gun for Murder 2.

If DA is throwing the case, the summation will show this. The biggest thing is the judge making a directed verdict order after DA rests. If it goes on, there will be a guilty on something unless jury goes 5-1, 4-2 cause one is bigoted......

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@cicerone imposter,

While he was being smothered, screaming for help, grabbing the gun, getting hit in the mouth, having hid head slammed into the concrete and having a brick used to batter his head - but this isn't considered to be a major inconsistency, hmmmmmmm

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@BillW,

Those are MY odds , no one elses will respectfully pay off any bets if I lose . But I don't think Robt wants this place to turn into a casino

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@roger,

Yes Roger I did because in my reading that is exactly what you said. I glad you clarified that to me. Then, you consider your statements to be a positive , DA 's acts are for the good; oh, **** - now I get it, duh!

I fully agree with this.

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@farmerman,

farmerman wrote:

Those are MY odds , no one elses will respectfully pay off any bets if I lose . But I don't think Robt wants this place to turn into a casino

But I still don't understand what 7-5 means.

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@BillW,

Hung jury.

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@cicerone imposter,

cicerone imposter wrote:

Hung jury.

At manslaughter - agreed

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