The State of Florida vs George Zimmerman: The Trial

@DrewDad,

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By refusing to get on the stand, he's going to give the jury something to think about.

The jury will be instructed to ignore that.

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@parados,

parados wrote:

JTT wrote:

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Not really. We are left with the reasonable person standard.

Not really. Florida wiped that out.

Not according to jury instructions -

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The danger facing the defendant need not have been actual; however, to justify the use of deadly force, the appearance of danger must have been so real that a reasonably cautious and prudent person under the same circumstances would have believed that the danger could be avoided only through the use of that force.

By the criterion that u have quoted,
a defendant in Zimmy 's position (head being beaten on the street)
has nothing to worry about. Do u agree ?

or do u argue that a citizen of Florida
whose head is being beaten on the cement
must simply be patient and take his chances,
in order to protect the bad guy ??

What do u believe is the statutory intendment of Florida's Legislature ??

David

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http://legalinsurrection.com/2013/07/zimmerman-update-exclusive-mid-day-7-serino-more-ambivalent-osterman-supports-self-defense/

Persecution now begging judge to disallow testimony of their own witness after 17 hours go by.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/pathetic

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pa·thet·ic (p-thtk) also pa·thet·i·cal (--kl)
adj.
1. Arousing or capable of arousing sympathetic sadness and compassion: "The old, rather shabby room struck her as extraordinarily pathetic" (John Galsworthy).
2. Arousing or capable of arousing scornful pity.

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@revelette,

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All in all, a better day for prosecutors.

I thought it was a very good day for the prosecution. They raised some significant issues regarding Zimmerman's credibility in terms of his version of events. The more they can show how and where he appears to be untruthful, the more they weaken his credibility, and the more they strengthen their case that Zimmerman was a wannabe cop, and the pursuer, and the aggressor, in this situation, who acted with malice toward an innocent kid he had profiled as a criminal, and that he should be held legally responsible for Martin's death.

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@BillW,

I suspect the main reason the jails and prisons are so well occupied is that prosecutors adept at presenting plea arrangements in a manner to make them more attractive than the crap shoot of going to trial on a crime charged at a higher level.

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Persecution brings in a ringer med examineress, claims Zimmerman's injuries were "inconsequential"...

Legal Insurrection blog:

http://legalinsurrection.com/2013/07/zimmerman-trial-day-7-wrap-up-prosecution-recovers-a-little-prepared-to-introduce-college-records-2//#more

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A quick Google search disabused me of that notion. Indeed, not since the Frye hearing was an expert in the case perhaps as subject to questioning on such issues than Dr. Rao. Indeed, at her previous State appointment as medical examiner in a different part of the state, there were years of complaints about her unsanitary procedures, including such [STOP IF EATING DINNER] pleasantries as Dr. Rao washing her feet in the autopsy sink, using her bare hands during procedures, and even accusations of exposing doctors to deadly diseases. Ultimately she was removed from that position. To read the original news article, see: Former employee speaks out about medical examiner (NOTE: Unless the above facts are somehow introduced into evidence, the jury will not be aware of them, and even if aware will be instructed to not take that knowledge into consideration in evaluating Dr. Rao’s testimony.)

But Dr. Rao got a very lucky break, indeed, in the form of the favor of State Prosecutor Angela Corey, a powerful figure in State politics. Corey provided Dr. Rao with an interim appointment as Medical Examiner in Jacksonville, a position later changed to a permanent appointment by the Governor.

Then Corey’s prosecution team asked Dr. Rao to testify in Florida v. Zimmerman. She couldn’t very well re-do the long-ago completed autopsy, and indeed they focus wasn’t on Trayvon Martin at all. Instead, they asked her if she could express an opinion on the severity of the injuries suffered by George Zimmerman at the hands of Trayvon Martin on the night of February 26, 2012. She would be constrained, they cautioned her, by not actually having access to the patient himself, but would have to work from photographs and written medical reports from doctors that had examined Zimmerman.

As evidenced by her appearance as a State witness today, Dr. Rao was more than happy to help out......

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@roger,

Combination of things, "War on Drugs(TM)", our 'adversarial' legal system, privately run prisons and prison-industrial complex....

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@parados,

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So you think it is reasonable to shoot someone if you are losing a fist fight?

That is not what happened.
Zimmy was not stupid enuf to let decedent
continue beating his head against the cement,
when he cud kill him, as indeed he did, properly.

Zimmy 's failure to have done that
wud have been suicidal nonsense.

David

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@DrewDad,

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I have this feeling that the jury is going to want to hear from Zimmerman, himself, about his state of mind.

I think the prosecution would love Zimmerman to feel pressured enough to take the stand--they would rip his credibility to shreds.

The state doesn't really need him to take the stand because they can attack and impugn his credibility by using his own inconsistencies and contradictions, in all the various statements he gave, to paint him as a liar. That's what they were doing today. Most of that is to suggest to the jury that, in his accounts to police, Zimmerman was untruthful because he was trying to conceal his true state of mind, and his true actions toward Martin, and was lying and exaggerating to make his stalking behavior appear to be reasonable, in order to characterize Martin as the attacker, and to have his use of deadly force appear to be a necessary act of self defense.

A jury would probably always like to hear from the defendant, but I can't see how Zimmerman could help himself by taking the stand. It would be a gift to the prosecution if he did.

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@gungasnake,

Cmon, ALL experts recite for their clients and , if not, they aren't called, or they are excused with prejudice and are held up from testimony.
Its all afuckin game. If you and others think that any news item is a FACT, I have a really great bridge across the BAy of Fundy Im looking to sell.

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@firefly,

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This medical expert is an excellent and experienced witness. She knows defense attorney's maneuvers, and she's not falling into them. She's not giving O'Mara an inch.

And just watching O'Mara, it's clear defense lawyers have no interest in the truth, they may actively try to distort or obsure the truth--for them, it's really a matter of getting their client off, by hook or by crook.

Maybe u think counsel shud be disloyal to their client?????????
Then sell shoes for a living, after disbarment?? Really ?

David

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@firefly,

Most all the witnesses Ive read about, including yesterday's testimony by the lead detective, stated that they believed him because hes been (from a cop now) CONSISTENT without adding or subtracting in his stories. Lying is really hard because when the little inconsistencies DO show up, they can be driven through by the investigators.
When Zimmerman was told that Martin wad a cell phone camera that took video of him before the alleged attack and the shooting. To which , Zimmerman stated" Good, I was hoping that thered have been someone who taped this so this entire event could be seen"

The detective was surpised at how immerman so positively responded to what was actually a set-up and a trick by the cops in the suspects interviews.

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@parados,

parados wrote:

JTT wrote:

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Not really. We are left with the reasonable person standard.

Not really. Florida wiped that out.

Not according to jury instructions -

Of course JTT's comment is total bs, what do you expect. The "reasonable person standard" is based in common law and can only be improved - which can't be done. This standard is the basis of all law. This is typical teabagger tripe that becomes fact after repeated twice.

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@firefly,

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In the minds of many, Zimmerman will never be seen as "innocent"--even if he is acquitted. A not guilty legal verdict does not mean the person is innocent.

Hopefully, Zimmy will make enuf to compensate him for that
with his book sales and his movie.

I wonder who will play Zimmy 's role ?

David

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@roger,

roger wrote:

I suspect the main reason the jails and prisons are so well occupied is that prosecutors adept at presenting plea arrangements in a manner to make them more attractive than the crap shoot of going to trial on a crime charged at a higher level.

Roger, surely you are not suggesting that most criminals are innocent? Do you realize how much money plea bargaining saves?

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@farmerman,

That same detective was a little less positive about Zimmerman today.

Zimmerman's most glaring inconsistencies are those that are at odds with other evidence.

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@BillW,

BillW wrote:

roger wrote:

I suspect the main reason the jails and prisons are so well occupied is that prosecutors adept at presenting plea arrangements in a manner to make them more attractive than the crap shoot of going to trial on a crime charged at a higher level.

Roger, surely you are not suggesting that most criminals are innocent? Do you realize how much money plea bargaining saves?

the cheaper the state can make criminals the more criminals we shall have. this is NOT a win for us citizens.

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@engineer,

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David has made that point before.
Everyone should be armed and then everyone can defend themselves.

Yes, but whether u use a rock,
a gun, a sharp object, or a Molotov Cocktail gasoline bom,
u shud not attack people promiscuously, as Martin did.

David

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@firefly,

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Zimmerman's most glaring inconsistencies are those that are at odds with other evidence.

I didn't see any news since yesterday where I was watching a summary (totally drop-jawed) where the prosecution used TAPES of Zimmermans interviews by the detectives. There was apparently so much Zimmerman presented to the Jury, why would the defense want to put him on the stand?

Did he screw up really badly? or what inconsistencies need mending?

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@firefly,

firefly wrote:

That same detective was a little less positive about Zimmerman today.

Zimmerman's most glaring inconsistencies are those that are at odds with other evidence.

When asked a direct question, he of course truthfully - but when presented with the softballs from defense, he slated big time to Z. After all, he did not arrest Z, so he wants to prove why and he is giving Z the preference a cop gives a cop. The reason why it is difficult to convict a cop in the line of duty.

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