The State of Florida vs George Zimmerman: The Trial

@parados,

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And the second highest is 35-45. Which kind of defeats your argument about experience prevents gun accidents.

No as there are likely once more to be far more gun owners in the 35 to 45 group then the 20 to 24 group and once we are pass the 35-45 age group the death numbers fall off a cliff.

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@parados,

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The most common cause of death in a fire is smoke inhalation not burning.

LOL playing game as the subject is that you are more likely to die by having a smoker in your home then a gun nut by accidents not how the fires will kill you.

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@BillRM,

You don't seem to get it Bill.

It means everything you thought was safely encrypted could be read and studied if deemed interesting enough.

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@spendius,

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you don't seem to get it Bill.

It means everything you thought was safely encrypted could be read and studied if deemed interesting enough.

Sorry US companies can be force to turn over their private encryption keys by the US government but that does not mean that all available SSL encrypted routines are broken and non-US companies SSL communications can be read.

The US government can force back doors to be install in Microsoft bit-locker and Apple similar produce and even the commerce non-open source pgp but that does not mean that the government can break open source programs such as truecrypt or open source international pgp.

No my friend not all communications can be read by NSA but we will need to wait for more information on how bad the situation happen to be.

Once more never used close source encryption programs with special note of US base companies.

Hell I had away assume that there are back doors into any commerce produce such as bit locker.

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@spendius,

You mean BillRM's child pornography stash could be discovered?

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@firefly,

If it exists it has been. Long ago.

Anybody who thinks they can beat the system is off their head.

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@firefly,

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You mean BillRM's child pornography stash could be discovered?

Strange Firefly I though you was now all for child porn now that it been found that Trayvon did enjoy such material?

In any case, there is no reason to think that truecrypt and any of it three completely independence encryption algorithms that can be picked by the user or even chain together had been broken by NSA or anyone else Let see the algorithms are AES, Twofish,and Serpent. All state of the art encryption with the government itself using AES to protected it secrets.

If someone is counting on Microsoft or Apple encryption products to keep their secrets they are fools as the govenrment can force them to place back doors in them.

But my computers and everything on their hard drives [all legal by the way] is as safe as can be but Firefly thanks for your concerns.

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@spendius,

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Anybody who thinks they can beat the system is off their head.

Anybody who count on the news media to inform you correctly is more then off their head.

Footnote Snowdon and the people working with him used both truecrypt and pgp so that leave a big question of either of those programs being broken by the NSA.

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@BillRM,

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No as there are likely once more to be far more gun owners in the 35 to 45 group then the 20 to 24 group

I'm curious how the 35 to 45 group becomes experience if they aren't gun owners when they are younger. Osmosis?

Most gun owners I know were gun owners from a young age. Certainly younger than 20.

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@parados,

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I'm curious how the 35 to 45 group becomes experience if they aren't gun owners when they are younger. Osmosis?

Most gun owners I know were gun owners from a young age. Certainly younger than 20.

As the total accident death rate for firearms in around one percent of the total yearly accident death rate in the US even with 300 millions firearms it hardly matter one way or another.

It is not a serous risk as it way down the list of everyday dangers.

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@parados,

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From 2007 -2011
Firearms are involved in more than 67% of all homicides in the United States

Isn't it great how taking a single fact in isolation and putting it in large type somehow makes one's argument better?

Does that include DEFENSIVE use of guns,
wherein the decedent was the bad guy ?????

David

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@firefly,

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What's even crazier is that the Zimmerman's apologists . . .

WHO apologizes for Zimmy, Firefly???

His supporters whom I know r very proud n cheerful of his accomplishment,
not apologetic.

David

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@OmSigDAVID,

No

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@BillRM,

Is 1% your cut off point about not worrying?

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@OmSigDAVID,

Great accomplishment for all Zimmerman revisionists; kill children with a gun.

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@parados,

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Is 1% your cut off point about not worrying?

I tend to take normal level of precautions for the dangers we all run everyday of our lives but not get silly over worrying about all very very low level risks.

My forty years or so of training and making a point of handling weapons and going to the range on a monthly basic is more then enough to deal with a risk that is far far far smaller for me then even that one percent for the general population.

Just as I deal with the risk of dying in a home fire that is four 4 times greater then the risk of death by accidentals firearms by having working smoke alarms and fire extinguishers.

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@cicerone imposter,

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kill children with a gun

I am getting tired of reposting the pictures of this so call child over and over again that show the lie that he is a poor harmless child.

He was no child, no matter how many times people like you claimed he was a child and Zimmerman did a public service by dealing with this so call child who but for chance, that when he decided to earn his hoodlum merit badge, he picked an armed man that was able to defend himself from this would be murderer.

But for the hell of it here is the true picture of that child not the smiling one of him many years earlier in his life.

https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRUNEo1KyGKOUhSqsa3x86STD9CTXicTbF_V6wNVMqEkqYR-rlkHQ

https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSReO05LijU3EGtijHaWDo2uwUQK1uZ6mS7Ixuz1NBhwV8rAeCQoQ

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@BillRM,

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Any chance you would know the percentage of the people involved in the accidental shootings who were gun owners...who were absolutely certain they were careful, intelligent gun owners who would never shoot anyone by accident?

IT is so very very very tiny that of the thousands of gun owners I had known over most of my lifespan there is not one case of that happening.

Amusing story in the 1980s, I was out with a group of friends shooting my model 1911 .45 when this gentleman walk directly into my line of fire.

I pointed my gun up into the air and begin cursing over this idiot walking directly into my line of fire.

Lack of communication it turn out as he yelled hold your fired in Spanish not English.

In the history of my gun ownership of four plus decades that is as near to a gun accident I had ever seen occurring either involving myself or anyone else for that matter.

Target shooting is about as safe as most anything else you can do.

Is it true that target shooting is more fun
when u have authoritarian collectivists hold the targets ??

David

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@BillRM,

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But for the hell of it here is the true picture of that child not the smiling one of him many years earlier in his life.

Exactly what do you think those allegedly "true pictures" show about that child?

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@Frank Apisa,

Frank Apisa wrote:

BillRM wrote:

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Any chance you would know the percentage of the people involved in the accidental shootings who were gun owners...who were absolutely certain they were careful, intelligent gun owners who would never shoot anyone by accident?

IT is so very very very tiny that of the thousands of gun owners I had known over most of my lifespan there is not one case of that happening.

Amusing story in the 1980s, I was out with a group of friends shooting my model 1911 45 when this gentleman walk directly into my line of fire.

I pointed my gun up into the air and begin cursing over this idiot walking directly into my line of fire.

Lack of communication it turn out as he yelled hold your fired in Spanish not English.

In the history of my gun ownership of four plus decades that is as near to a gun accident I had ever seen occurring either involving myself or anyone else for that matter.

Target shooting is about as safe as most anything else you can do.

Interesting answer.

My answer would have been a guess: My guess would be 100%.

Hence, your guess is that no accident has ever happened
with a borrowed gun, right, Frank ?

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