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The State of Florida vs George Zimmerman: The Trial

 
 
firefly
 
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Fri 6 Sep, 2013 11:44 am
@revelette,
What's even crazier is that the Zimmerman's apologists are saying he really wants her to divorce him, as a way of protecting her. They have no idea what it must be like to live with this self-absorbed unstable character. Shellie says they tried marriage counseling and it didn't help. This marriage had problems before the shooting, and that certainly made everything worse.

It's only a matter of time before the Zimmerman apologists begin attacking Shellie, and trying to discredit her, if they don't like the sort of things she says about their "hero".
McGentrix
 
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Fri 6 Sep, 2013 11:54 am
@parados,
parados wrote:

From 2007 -2011
Firearms are involved in more than 67% of all homicides in the United States

Isn't it great how taking a single fact in isolation and putting it in large type somehow makes one's argument better?


That's it? what are the other 33% of the homicides committed with?
BillRM
 
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Fri 6 Sep, 2013 12:09 pm
@McGentrix,
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That's it? what are the other 33% of the homicides committed with?


LOL and what would be used in the place of firearms for those 67 percents killings if there was no firearms?

Lot of killings are going on in nations with far fewer firearms then the US.
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BillRM
 
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Fri 6 Sep, 2013 12:14 pm
Footnote in my 64 years on planet earth I been around many thousands of firearm owners with no one even being hurt less alone killed by one of those guns.

Next in a far smaller group of ultralight flyers in far fewer years there had been three deaths as a result of that hobby of people I knew and had flown with.

Lot of things are more dangerous to own and use then firearms.
BillRM
 
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Fri 6 Sep, 2013 12:16 pm
@Frank Apisa,
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Any chance you would know the percentage of the people involved in the accidental shootings who were gun owners...who were absolutely certain they were careful, intelligent gun owners who would never shoot anyone by accident?


IT is so very very very tiny that of the thousands of gun owners I had known over most of my lifespan there is not one case of that happening.

Amusing story in the 1980s, I was out with a group of friends shooting my model 1911 45 when this gentleman walk directly into my line of fire.

I pointed my gun up into the air and begin cursing over this idiot walking directly into my line of fire.

Lack of communication it turn out as he yelled hold your fired in Spanish not English.

In the history of my gun ownership of four plus decades that is as near to a gun accident I had ever seen occurring either involving myself or anyone else for that matter.

Target shooting is about as safe as most anything else you can do.
firefly
 
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Fri 6 Sep, 2013 12:19 pm
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hawkeye10
 
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Fri 6 Sep, 2013 01:07 pm
@firefly,
firefly wrote:



And Shellie Zimmerman, unlike her husband and his parents and brother, has been the only one to express true compassion for the loss sustained by Martin's family. She's managed to retain the human decency that whole group seems to lack.



so when George said when asked what he would like to say to the Martin parents he said that he was sorry that the killing happened, that he cant imagine how horrible it is to lose a child, and that he prays for them daily he was not showing compassion?

The lies just keep on flowing from you Firefly.

oh wait, "true compassion" as in good enough for you...well we know that there is no way George could ever do anything good enough for you....dont we, because you lack any compassion for him.
Frank Apisa
 
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Fri 6 Sep, 2013 01:42 pm
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:

Footnote in my 64 years on planet earth I been around many thousands of firearm owners with no one even being hurt less alone killed by one of those guns.

Next in a far smaller group of ultralight flyers in far fewer years there had been three deaths as a result of that hobby of people I knew and had flown with.

Lot of things are more dangerous to own and use then firearms.


No doubt about that.

And like I said...for gun owners, even a spoon can be dangerous. A teaspoon.
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Frank Apisa
 
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Fri 6 Sep, 2013 01:43 pm
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:

Quote:
Any chance you would know the percentage of the people involved in the accidental shootings who were gun owners...who were absolutely certain they were careful, intelligent gun owners who would never shoot anyone by accident?


IT is so very very very tiny that of the thousands of gun owners I had known over most of my lifespan there is not one case of that happening.

Amusing story in the 1980s, I was out with a group of friends shooting my model 1911 45 when this gentleman walk directly into my line of fire.

I pointed my gun up into the air and begin cursing over this idiot walking directly into my line of fire.

Lack of communication it turn out as he yelled hold your fired in Spanish not English.

In the history of my gun ownership of four plus decades that is as near to a gun accident I had ever seen occurring either involving myself or anyone else for that matter.

Target shooting is about as safe as most anything else you can do.


Interesting answer.

My answer would have been a guess: My guess would be 100%.
firefly
 
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Fri 6 Sep, 2013 02:03 pm
@hawkeye10,
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so when George said when asked what he would like to say to the Martin parents he said that he was sorry that the killing happened, that he cant imagine how horrible it is to lose a child, and that he prays for them daily he was not showing compassion?

This is what Zimmerman said in court, to Martin's parents..
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"I wanted to say I am sorry for the loss of your son," Zimmerman said while on the stand. "I did not know how old he was, I thought he was a little bit younger than I am, and I did not know if he was armed or not."

http://latino.foxnews.com/latino/news/2012/04/20/george-zimmerman-family-says-is-not-violent/#ixzz2e8pxKeFz

Where is the genuine compassion in that? He immediately started making excuses for himself.

Then, when he did an interview with Sean Hannity, he said he was sorry "that they buried their child" and that he prays for them. But the reason these parents buried their child was because he killed that child. And the hollowness of his alleged sympathy for these grieving parents, and his lack of responsibility for his own behavior, became apparent when he told Hannity he wouldn't change anything he did that night.
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"Is there anything that you regret? Do you regret getting out of the car to follow Trayvon that night?" Hannity asked. "Do you regret that you had a gun that night?"

"No, sir," Zimmerman, 28, replied. "I feel that it was all God's plan and not for me to second-guess it or judge it."

Is it any wonder that this was the reaction of the Martin family?
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About 45 minutes after the televised interview, Martin's family released a statement condemning Zimmerman's comments.

"George Zimmerman said that he does not regret getting out of his vehicle, he does not regret following Trayvon, in fact he does not regret anything he did that night," the statement read. "He wouldn't do anything different and he concluded it was God's plan.

"We must worship a different God because there is no way that my God would have wanted George Zimmerman to kill my teenage son," Tracy Martin, Martin's father, said in the statement.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/18/zimmerman-apology-trayvon_n_1684878.html

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oh wait, "true compassion" as in good enough for you...well we know that there is no way George could ever do anything good enough for you....dont we, because you lack any compassion for him.

I can 't feel compassion for him because I feel his reckless actions caused the needless loss of a life, and he takes no responsibility for those reckless actions. Zimmerman wasn't the victim in this situation--he was the instigator, he was the predator, he was the provocateur, and it was his ill-considered behaviors, in complete disregard of the rules of a Neighborhood Watch, that led to a tragic and needless and totally avoidable death. The victim was the one who wound up dead as a result of those reckless behaviors by Zimmerman.

The entire Zimmerman family seems on the same wave length--without any real compassion--it's all about themselves as "victims". And they continue to be the ones fanning racial flames and race-baiting.
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Zimmerman’s Brother: No Remorse But He’d Give Trayvon Martin’s Family A Hug If He Ran Into Them
Posted by Ellen
July 16, 2013

George Zimmerman’s brother, Robert, appeared on On The Record last night where he spoke condescendingly of Trayvon Martin’s family, made race-baiting comments about their attorneys, offered no remorse over the tragic situation that took their son – and instead focused on how difficult it is for the Zimmerman family to live with the burden of having “had to take someone’s life.” Predictably, Greta Van Susteren didn’t challenge a word of that jaw-dropping heartlessness, nor did she tell viewers about any of the racist tweets Robert Zimmerman has sent since George shot and killed African American Martin.

At about the 5:00 mark in the video below, Van Susteren asked if there were “moments of great sorrow and nervousness” during the trial.

Robert Zimmerman replied, “It’s unfortunate that race has any role in this situation at all.”

This, from the guy who likened Martin to the African American murderer of a woman named Sherry West and then tweeted:

POTUS spoke of his Mom acting like a “typical” white woman when encountering blacks. The fate of Sherry West might B why.

That was just one of several racist tweets sent by Robert Zimmerman. But it was a point of racial hypocrisy that seemed to completely escape Van Susteren. Instead, she moved on to ask, “Do you ever think of the Martin family, the Trayvon Martin family?”

Zimmerman’s response was both telling and terrifying.

Absolutely. We expressed our condolences in a statement September of 2012. If I ran into Sybrina or Tracy (Trayvon's parents), I would give them a hug. I would express my condolence, condolences to them. I’m inclined to believe George would do the same thing.

That right there is shockingly condescending. The Zimmerman family issued “a statement” expressing its condolences a year ago and that was the last time they thought of Trayvon Martin’s family? But while he indicated no remorse, no sorrow from anyone in the family over what they must be going through and have gone through during the trial, he’d nonetheless “give them a hug” if he ran into them?

But wait there’s more. Zimmerman went on to describe the Martin-family advisors as racist “things.”

…Now, these things that surround Sybrina and Tracy: Mr. Crump, Ms. Jackson, these people who, who I think really exploited very pure grief - and other race profiteers like the NAACP, Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, that’s how I see them. I wouldn’t give them a hug.

Then, Zimmerman went on to suggest that the only grief and sorrow he ever thought about was that of his own family:

But Sybrina lost her son and so did Tracy and you know, now that we have this verdict of not guilty, I think what I will always remember is the rawness of the emotion, the deafening silence when you hear your brother took someone’s life in self defense, it still hasn’t gone away. You know, the tension of having him on trial is gone. …But whenever I look at George, I’m always gonna see and he’s always gonna have to live with – just as anyone who had to take someone’s life – that they have to carry that burden around for the rest of their life now.

You’d think that the Zimmerman family would show some graciousness at this hour, extend a hand of reconciliation to the African American community, ask for forgiveness and understanding or something to soothe the psychic wounds George Zimmerman caused by shooting and killing an unarmed black teenager. But no. While calls for calm and peace have come from African American leaders and the Martin family attorney, Robert Zimmerman fanned the flames. And Fox News helped.

http://www.newshounds.us/zimmerman_s_brother_no_remorse_but_he_d_give_trayvon_martin_s_family_a_hug_if_he_ran_into_them_07162013#MpSUCHbBPfbCBb50.99


Shellie Zimmerman seems to be the only one who isn't wallowing in self pity and anger. That's why she can express more genuine compassion. That's also why she's the only one in that family who seems able to take responsibility for her own behavior, without making excuses for herself. She'll move forward and get her life together, while George Zimmerman continues to become a train wreck.
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BillRM
 
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Fri 6 Sep, 2013 03:09 pm
@Frank Apisa,
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My guess would be 100%.


Well speaking just for myself I am 99.9999999999999 percent sure that I will live out my remaining lifespan without having a gun accident of any kind.

With modern firearms and normal level of safety training and awareness I can not see anyone but some young hoodlum like Trayvon getting his hands on a firearm and being careless enough to shot himself or one of his friends.

In fact that open is somewhat bear out with statistics that the ag of the population that have the most gun accidents is from 15 to 25 years old.

Guns are as safe as most others things we have in out lives.

Footnote if you have a smoker in your home you are more likely to be burn to death by the smoker causing a house fire then if you are of being accidentally killed by a gun nut living with you.

[quote]

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-10-21/tobacco-related-u-s-fire-deaths-decline-to-second-lowest-level-since-1980.html

caused by smoking killed 680 U.S. people in 2008, compared with 720 in 2007, [/quote]
spendius
 
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Fri 6 Sep, 2013 03:23 pm
@BillRM,
I thought I might tell you Bill that our news last night said that all the unbreakable encryption systems have been broken and probably a good few that haven't been thought of yet.
parados
 
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Fri 6 Sep, 2013 03:28 pm
@McGentrix,
McGentrix wrote:

parados wrote:

From 2007 -2011
Firearms are involved in more than 67% of all homicides in the United States

Isn't it great how taking a single fact in isolation and putting it in large type somehow makes one's argument better?


That's it? what are the other 33% of the homicides committed with?


Rough estimates -
12% knives
6% blunt objects
6% fists, feet
1% fire
1% strangulation
7% other types of weapons or not stated
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parados
 
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Fri 6 Sep, 2013 03:30 pm
@BillRM,
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In fact that open is somewhat bear out with statistics that the ag of the population that have the most gun accidents is from 15 to 25 years old.

And where did you get that statistic? Or is it made up by most of the others you seem to have made up lately?
BillRM
 
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Fri 6 Sep, 2013 03:34 pm
@spendius,
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I thought I might tell you Bill that our news last night said that all the unbreakable encryption systems have been broken and probably a good few that haven't been thought of yet.


Thanks, I am aware of the reporting but as in the Trayvon/Zimmerman media reporting the claims are likely to be blown out of all sense of reality.

I will wait a few days to get the correct story from the internet security experts.

Footnote one claims I do kind of believe in is that build in encryption software/hardware by microsoft and apple for example have back doors build in.

Always go with open source security/encryption software where back doors can not be build in without being found out in the source codes by experts.
BillRM
 
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Fri 6 Sep, 2013 03:35 pm
@parados,
It was in the article I already link to a few postings of mine back.

http://www.responsivemanagement.com/download/reports/Firearmaccidentsreport.pdf

Page 15

An you might enjoy looking at page 18 also.
parados
 
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Fri 6 Sep, 2013 03:56 pm
@BillRM,
Let's bring that up to date

2010- 606 accidentally killed with firearms

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April 2, 2012- According to a recent report released by the National Fire Protection Association (NFPA), 610 civilian deaths in the United States were attributed to smoking material fires in 2010, a number at or near the all-time-low and well down from the 1980 levels


No, you aren't more likely to be burn to death by the smoker causing a house fire. The likelihood of death is statistically insignificant. But even less likely is that you will burn to death since the majority of fire related deaths are not caused by burning to death. The most common cause of death in a fire is smoke inhalation not burning.
parados
 
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Fri 6 Sep, 2013 04:00 pm
@BillRM,
And the second highest is 35-45. Which kind of defeats your argument about experience prevents gun accidents.
parados
 
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Fri 6 Sep, 2013 04:02 pm
@BillRM,
The interesting thing about page 18 is that the 30-40 group is more likely to shoot someone else.
BillRM
 
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Fri 6 Sep, 2013 04:11 pm
@parados,
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The interesting thing about page 18 is that the 30-40 group is more likely to shoot someone else.


LOL you talking about the hunting accidents on page 18 and guess what age group is going to be out in the wood hunting in the greatest numbers?

However page 15 back my statement up as far as overall accidents are concern.
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