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The State of Florida vs George Zimmerman: The Trial

 
 
parados
 
  1  
Fri 6 Sep, 2013 08:25 am
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:

Quote:
You and your family are perfect...but many, many gun owners end up shooting themselves and their family members.


Very very very few out of over a 100 millions or so gun owners in the US!!!!!!!

A gun owner risk of that happening is about the same as the odds of wining a state lottery top price.

In fact, it is even must smaller odds for those who had been raised around and train on the proper handling of firearms.

It is hoodlums like Trayvon without the proper training that are at the highest risk in handling guns.



100 million gun owners? Care to cite a source?
I see 70-80 million in the most recent surveys.

The odds of winning a single state lottery are about 1 in 18 million. The odds of winning the Powerball lottery are 1 in 175 million.
There are over 15,000 accidental shootings per year according to CDC which works out to about 1 in 500,000 which is quite a bit different from 1 in 18 million. But that's in a single year. Owning a gun for 50 years would put your odds of an accidental shooting at 1 in 10,000. Of course that only includes accidents where someone is actually shot. The majority of gun accidents don't involve shooting someone. They involve ceilings, windows, wide open spaces.

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OmSigDAVID
 
  2  
Fri 6 Sep, 2013 08:30 am
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:
Quote:
You and your family are perfect...but many, many gun owners end up shooting themselves and their family members.


Very very very few out of over a 100 millions or so gun owners in the US!!!!!!!

A gun owner risk of that happening is about the same as the odds of wining a state lottery top price.

In fact, it is even must smaller odds for those who had been raised around and train on the proper handling of firearms.

It is hoodlums like Trayvon without the proper training that are at the highest risk in handling guns.

I have never felt un-comfortable
in the presence of well armed men or boys,
over the course of my life.

I have not been witness to any trouble,
tho of course, accidents have happened with all kinds of equipment, including guns.

A lot more citizens have fallen victim to cars
than to civilian guns.
OmSigDAVID
 
  3  
Fri 6 Sep, 2013 08:43 am
@RABEL222,
RABEL222 wrote:
I dont hate Shelly. I dont even hate George the child killer. . . .
Even if Mr. t actually were a "child",
if a real child were beating someone 's head on the street
that 'd be a really fine reason to kill the kid
(all things being equal).

Age is not a relevant factor.

I 'm pretty sure that if travon had been doing the same thing
to Al sharpton, he 'd have done the same that Zimmy did, ASAP !





David
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BillRM
 
  2  
Fri 6 Sep, 2013 09:06 am
@OmSigDAVID,
Quote:
A lot more citizens have fallen victim to cars
than to civilian guns.


Cars had results in thousands of times more deaths by accidents then firearms in the US.

The safe methods of handling firearms had been drill into me at such a deep level over 40 years of being around them that it would take a real exercise of conscious will power for me to be able to handle any firearm in an unsafe manner.
parados
 
  1  
Fri 6 Sep, 2013 09:31 am
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:

Quote:
A lot more citizens have fallen victim to cars
than to civilian guns.


Cars had results in thousands of times more deaths by accidents then firearms in the US.



Do you ever bother to check facts before you speak?
There are about 600 accidental deaths by guns in the US each year. (CDC lists 606 in 2010.)
I would love to see where you got your statistics that claim over 600,000 traffic deaths per year.
(edit - You actually claimed "thousands" which would require a minimum or 1.2 million traffic fatalities per year. But I doubt you can support that number either.)

2010 -
Total gun deaths - 31,076
Total motor vehicle related deaths - 32,885
Of course auto deaths are off their highs because we have put restrictions on driving and increased safety on the vehicles.
BillRM
 
  1  
Fri 6 Sep, 2013 10:26 am
@parados,
Quote:
There are about 600 accidental deaths by guns in the US each year.


LOL out of a population of 200 millions or so adults and three hundreds millions or so firearms in the hands of US citizens!!!!

An that is not even considering that it is hardly likely that many of those 600 deaths are from the group of firearm owners who have long history with firearms. Those deaths are far more likely to had occur among the Trayvon type of person then the Zimmerman type.

Now in the year 2010 the lowest year to that date for car deaths for the last 60 plus years the number is 32,336.

True that is not a thousand time more but just repeat just 19 times.

Shame on me for over stating that the death rate is tiny compare to others causes of death and home fires deaths are for example are over four times more common then firearms deaths.

Give that once more those deaths are highly unlikely to be in the population that are gun handlers for generations it is even far more tiny as far as NRA types are concern.

Frankly the idea of Trayvon type blowing themselves away does not cause me the lost of a lot of sleep.
firefly
 
  1  
Fri 6 Sep, 2013 10:30 am
Quote:
George Zimmerman's Wife Says He Is 'Selfish,' Feels 'Invincible'
Sept. 6, 2013

By SENI TIENABESO
George Zimmerman's wife says she doesn't know the man she's been married to for almost seven years and doesn't think she "ever really knew him at all."

In an exclusive interview with ABC News shortly after her attorney filed for divorce from the Florida man acquitted in the death of 17-year-old Trayvon Martin, Shellie Zimmerman said she is left with a shattered life.

"I stood by my husband through everything and I kind of feel like he left me with a bunch of broken glass that I'm supposed to now assemble and make a life…It's just heartbreaking," she said.

Shellie Zimmerman, 26, stood by her husband throughout the ordeal that began on Feb. 26, 2012 when her husband shot and killed the unarmed teenager and came to an end when a Florida jury acquitted him of murder in July.

But less than two months later, she filed for divorce.

"I have a selfish husband. And I think George is all about George," she said.

She claims that at times he was verbally abusive and hurt her "emotionally, but never physical."

"I think I'm realizing that I have been married to a person for almost seven years, and I don't think that I ever really knew him at all," Shellie Zimmerman said.

Shellie Zimmerman said her husband is not only driving too fast, referencing the two incidents in which her husband has been pulled over for speeding recently, but also living too fast since his acquittal.

She says he spent maybe three or four nights at their home with her before she moved out in mid-August. She says she believes the not guilty verdict has left her husband feeling "invincible" and since then has been "making some reckless decisions."

She is asking for "equitable distribution" of their assets including anything her husband might gain from a defamation suit he has filed against NBC as well as equal share of their debts. She is also seeking sole custody of their two dogs. According to the financial disclosure form, she said she is unemployed and listed her monthly expenses as $755. Since they separated George Zimmerman has given her $4,300 for living expenses and the source of funds appears to be his legal defense fund.

George Zimmerman's legal team told ABC News there would be no comment on the divorce filing. George Zimmerman's brother Robert tweeted "Pray for them."

Last week Shellie Zimmerman pled guilty to perjury for lying about the couples' finances when the judge was initially setting bail for her husband. After a judge handed her 100 hours of community service and a year's probation, Zimmerman told ABC News last week that she did not know if she would stay married.

Now, she says she is making the decision to cut ties in an effort to leave the drama that has taken over her life since that fateful night in February 2012 behind.
http://abcnews.go.com/US/george-zimmermans-wife-selfish-feels-invincible/story?id=20174763

It's not just since his acquittal that George Zimmerman has been making reckless decisions, what happened the night of the shooting came about because of his reckless decisions. The man has impaired judgment and impulse control.

Lord knows what Zimmerman has been running around doing with himself. Drugs? Drinking? The two traffic stops for speeding, and his visit to the gun factory sound like he is going nowhere in a hurry. He's on his way to becoming a train wreck.
Frank Apisa
 
  0  
Fri 6 Sep, 2013 10:52 am
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:

Quote:
Keep dreaming, Bill. Wink


Keep dreaming about what as facts are facts and guns are not either evil or dangerous of and by themselves.

Off hand I can think of any number of objects that are far more dangerous to be around then firearms in the hands of properly train people.


And for most gun owners...that would include a spoon.
cicerone imposter
 
  0  
Fri 6 Sep, 2013 10:56 am
@Frank Apisa,
chemical weapons aren't evil or dangerous by themselves either! What a DORK!

By his standard, nothing is evil or dangerous. How stupid can one be when guns are the weapon of choice for violence against another, killings, accidents, and suicide.

hawkeye10
 
  2  
Fri 6 Sep, 2013 11:00 am
@firefly,
"I lied to the court but it was his fault" cant be far behind. nor the suggested rates for her speaking fees. "up with women, down with men" is the tittle of her lecture natch, with Q&A after.

I will be listening to hear how she gets around the fact that one wonan, Corey, was instrumental in creating the conditions of her life that she is complaining about.
BillRM
 
  1  
Fri 6 Sep, 2013 11:06 am

Quote:
http://www.responsivemanagement.com/download/reports/Firearmaccidentsreport.pdf

In the decade 1990 – 2000, unintentional deaths from firearms declined by 45%.
 Firearms are involved in less than 1% of all accidental deaths in the United States.
 Unintentional deaths from firearms accounted for only 3% of all firearm-related deaths.
 Since 1975, the annual number of firearm accident deaths among children has decreased by
84%.
 In 2000, there was a total of 98,000 unintentional accidental deaths in the United States -
42,900 deaths were caused by motor-vehicle accidents, 14,500 deaths were caused by
poisoning, 14,200 deaths were caused by falls, 3,900 deaths were caused by fires, 3,300
deaths were caused by drowning, and 776 deaths were caused by the accidental discharge of
a firearm.
Number of Unintentional Deaths From Firearms 1951-20001
firefly
 
  0  
Fri 6 Sep, 2013 11:07 am
@cicerone imposter,
The paranoids need their guns to protect them from all these dangerous black children they keep talking about. Without them, their "manhood" would be gone, and then, oh my, what would these fearful inadequate guys do? Probably wet their pants. Laughing
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BillRM
 
  2  
Fri 6 Sep, 2013 11:10 am
@cicerone imposter,
Guns are not evil or dangerous by themselves and of all accidental deaths in the US guns account for 0ne percent of those deaths every year.

Once more the word tiny seems to apply.
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parados
 
  1  
Fri 6 Sep, 2013 11:16 am
@BillRM,
I see. We've gone from gun owners to total US citizens now? Gosh, that ought to make it a" thousands of times" something.

Quote:
True that is not a thousand time more but just repeat just 19 times.
Oh, so your original statement was only off by what, a couple of thousand times? Gosh. Why would that be Bill? Why make up numbers if the actual numbers are as bad as you think they are? Is it because you think the actual numbers aren't scary enough?

Quote:

Shame on me for over stating that the death rate is tiny compare to others causes of death and home fires deaths are for example are over four times more common then firearms deaths.
And where did you get this statistic from Bill? Or are you arguing that all fires happen in homes which would be another ridiculous argument on your part. I suppose the firefighters that died recently were actually in their homes.
Of course about 99% of the US population lives in a home of some kind but about 33% only have a gun. Which kind of puts the numbers in perspective. If you have a gun and a home, you are about as likely to die from an accidental shooting as you are from a fire in your home.


Quote:

An that is not even considering that it is hardly likely that many of those 600 deaths are from the group of firearm owners who have long history with firearms. Those deaths are far more likely to had occur among the Trayvon type of person then the Zimmerman type.

Now in the year 2010 the lowest year to that date for car deaths for the last 60 plus years the number is 32,336.
Have you ever stopped to consider that many of those deaths are caused by young people new to handling a car? Or does the age and experience only matter when it comes to guns?
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Frank Apisa
 
  0  
Fri 6 Sep, 2013 11:20 am
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:


Quote:
http://www.responsivemanagement.com/download/reports/Firearmaccidentsreport.pdf

In the decade 1990 – 2000, unintentional deaths from firearms declined by 45%.
 Firearms are involved in less than 1% of all accidental deaths in the United States.
 Unintentional deaths from firearms accounted for only 3% of all firearm-related deaths.
 Since 1975, the annual number of firearm accident deaths among children has decreased by
84%.
 In 2000, there was a total of 98,000 unintentional accidental deaths in the United States -
42,900 deaths were caused by motor-vehicle accidents, 14,500 deaths were caused by
poisoning, 14,200 deaths were caused by falls, 3,900 deaths were caused by fires, 3,300
deaths were caused by drowning, and 776 deaths were caused by the accidental discharge of
a firearm.
Number of Unintentional Deaths From Firearms 1951-20001



Any chance you would know the percentage of the people involved in the accidental shootings...were people who owned guns?

Any chance you would know the percentage of the people involved in the accidental shootings who were gun owners...who were absolutely certain they were careful, intelligent gun owners who would never shoot anyone by accident?

Knowing those percentages should important, wouldn't you say?
Frank Apisa
 
  0  
Fri 6 Sep, 2013 11:21 am
@Frank Apisa,
Interesting, by the way, that they limited this to "deaths"...and not just accidental shootings.
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firefly
 
  0  
Fri 6 Sep, 2013 11:28 am
@hawkeye10,
Quote:
"I lied to the court but it was his fault" cant be far behind

No, much to her credit, and quite unlike her husband, Shellie Zimmerman has taken full responsibility for her perjury.

And what she's doing now is quite the opposite of being the victim. She's taking charge of her life, and asserting her independence, and moving forward. She may have been the stabilizing influence on her husband--when she walked out on him, he wound up killing someone.

It's George Zimmerman and the Zimmerman family who will continue to play the victim card. That's what they've been doing all along, and it's the image his supporters in this thread continue to promote. These people wallow in self pity and anger. They feel victimized by everyone.

Shellie Zimmerman knows there is no future for her if she stays with an unstable loser who isn't even there for her when she needs him. There was nothing left to this marriage which was on shaky ground before her husband killed Martin. She wants to make a life for herself and she's feeling strong enough to do that now. More power to her. She deserves better than creepy George.

And Shellie Zimmerman, unlike her husband and his parents and brother, has been the only one to express true compassion for the loss sustained by Martin's family. She's managed to retain the human decency that whole group seems to lack.

parados
 
  1  
Fri 6 Sep, 2013 11:30 am
@BillRM,
From 2007 -2011
Firearms are involved in more than 67% of all homicides in the United States

Isn't it great how taking a single fact in isolation and putting it in large type somehow makes one's argument better?
revelette
 
  1  
Fri 6 Sep, 2013 11:31 am
George Zimmerman's Wife Says He Is 'Selfish,' Feels 'Invincible'
Quote:

George Zimmerman's wife says she doesn't know the man she's been married to for almost seven years and doesn't think she "ever really knew him at all."

In an exclusive interview with ABC News shortly after her attorney filed for divorce from the Florida man acquitted in the death of 17-year-old Trayvon Martin, Shellie Zimmerman said she is left with a shattered life.

"I stood by my husband through everything and I kind of feel like he left me with a bunch of broken glass that I'm supposed to now assemble and make a life…It's just heartbreaking," she said.

Shellie Zimmerman, 26, stood by her husband throughout the ordeal that began on Feb. 26, 2012 when her husband shot and killed the unarmed teenager and came to an end when a Florida jury acquitted him of murder in July.

But less than two months later, she filed for divorce.

"I have a selfish husband. And I think George is all about George," she said.

She claims that at times he was verbally abusive and hurt her "emotionally, but never physical."

"I think I'm realizing that I have been married to a person for almost seven years, and I don't think that I ever really knew him at all," Shellie Zimmerman said.

Shellie Zimmerman said her husband is not only driving too fast, referencing the two incidents in which her husband has been pulled over for speeding recently, but also living too fast since his acquittal.

She says he spent maybe three or four nights at their home with her before she moved out in mid-August. She says she believes the not guilty verdict has left her husband feeling "invincible" and since then has been "making some reckless decisions."

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revelette
 
  1  
Fri 6 Sep, 2013 11:34 am
@firefly,
I didn't see where you posted the interview. Anyway, not surprising George apologist are saying it is the other person's at fault once again.
 

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