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The State of Florida vs George Zimmerman: The Trial

 
 
Baldimo
 
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Thu 5 Sep, 2013 01:54 pm
@parados,
The evidence doesn't support what you are claiming. What did the CSI people have to say about the gun shot? It was fired from a direction that supports a self-defense case. The angle of the shot, the amount of distance from the shirt to Martins chest all point to a self-defense shooting where Martin was in a position above Zimmerman.
firefly
 
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Thu 5 Sep, 2013 02:02 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
Walking around, talking on a cell phone, is just that. It is not "pre-burglary casing houses". Zimmerman saw a young black male, doing absolutely nothing wrong, in a place he had a right to be, and he misinterpreted the male's behavior because of his skin color--he racially profiled him, and he completely disregarded Neighborhood Watch rules by both pursuing him, and by doing so when armed.

Zimmerman recklessly stalked and killed an innocent house guest in that community he was allegedly "protecting". Trayvon Martin was a victim of George Zimmerman's personal obsessions, poor judgment and impaired impulse control.

You don't protect a community by killing innocent children who are staying there.

That's why the homeowner's association of that community paid Trayvon Martin's parents a $1 million+ settlement--because their son wasn't safe in that community that night, he wasn't safe from George Zimmerman.

You're as big an ass as your buddy, "Zimmy".
Frank Apisa
 
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Thu 5 Sep, 2013 02:05 pm
So many people hoping one day they will get to use the "self defense" argument!
BillRM
 
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Thu 5 Sep, 2013 02:57 pm
You know it is kind of amazing how con men such as Al Sharpton can made a living from convincing a large percent of the black community time after time that they are victims of all kind of hate crimes by whites and many of those crimes going back decades had been proven never to had occur.

Let see as far as Rev Sharpton we have two gang rapes by whites against black women that never occur, nonsense claims of Jews mistreating blacks that resulted in the riots and the lost of lives of innocent Jews.

An then in spite of Al Sharpton having been proven to be a dishonest race baiter even with one civil judgment against him over one of those so call gang rapes he was able with the help of the new media that he is in bed with and who one network he work for turn a straight forward case of self defense into another racial issue.

To me it is amazing how stupid the black community have been with their strange willingness to followed Sharpton and Jackson and such con men over made up issues instead of focusing on the criminal justice system and the public school system and voting rights.

Oh I forgot the hanging nooses hoaxes that was all the rage a decade or so ago.



firefly
 
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Thu 5 Sep, 2013 03:31 pm
@BillRM,
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To me it is amazing how stupid the black community have been.....

It's amazing how openly you express your racism and your negative view of blacks.

It's also amazing that someone as stupid as you are could possibly think he is smarter than anyone else. Laughing

http://www.mobileapples.com/Assets/Content/Wallpapers/Village_Idiot.jpg
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BillRM
 
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Thu 5 Sep, 2013 03:39 pm
@Frank Apisa,
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So many people hoping one day they will get to use the "self defense" argument!


As far as Florida is concern those self defense laws by percent of populations have kept far more black men out of prison then non-blacks.

But maybe unlike me ,you happen to feel that there is not enough black men in the Florida prison system?
firefly
 
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Thu 5 Sep, 2013 03:56 pm
@BillRM,
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So far as Florida is concern those self defense laws by percent of populations have kept far more black men out of prison then non-blacks.

But maybe unlike me ,you happen to feel that there is not enough black men in the Florida prison system?


BillRM, the Village Idiot strikes again!

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Daily Caller Distorted Stand Your Ground Data To Claim Florida Law "Benefits" Blacks

Daily Caller: "Blacks Benefit From Florida 'Stand Your Ground' Law At Disproportionate Rate." Citing data from Tampa Bay Times which chronicled the victims and defendants in Stand Your Ground cases in Florida, the conservative site Daily Caller claimed on July 16 that "African Americans benefit from Florida's 'Stand Your Ground' self-defense law at a rate far out of proportion to their presence in the state's population." According to the Caller, black individuals "benefit" at a "disproportionate rate" because one-third of stand your ground claims were made by black defendants, and those who used the defense were successful 55 percent of the time, while white individuals were only successful in 53 percent of cases (including pending cases). [Daily Caller, 7/16/13]

But Under SYG, Homicides With Black Victims Much More Likely To Be Found Justified

In Florida SYG Cases, Nearly Four In Five Homicides Are Deemed Justified If The Victim Is Black. The Atlantic pointed out that the Tampa Bay Times data, cited by the Daily Caller to claim Stand Your Ground benefits black people, reveals that in Florida, those who killed black people and cited Stand Your Ground got off at a much higher rate than those who killed white people. The Atlantic explained the data:


For killings involving victims of color--black or Hispani [sic] --78 percent of the time the death was considered justified. For killings involving white victims, that rate sinks to 56 percent.

[...]

There's one specific situation in which blacks "benefited" from the "stand your ground" law, if you will. Killings of whites by blacks were slightly more likely to be found justified than killings of whites by whites. But otherwise, the law has been less than helpful to the state's black community. Nearly four-in-five killings of black people where it has been invoked have resulted in the killer being freed. It's hard to see the benefit in that.
[The Atlantic, 7/17/13]

Urban Institute Fellow: Under SYG, White-On-Black Homicides Are 354% More Likely To Be Found Justified Than White-On-White Homicides. Research conducted by John Roman, a senior fellow at the Urban Institute's Justice Policy Center, found that in states with Stand Your Ground laws, "the killings of black people by whites were more likely to be considered justified than the killings of white people by blacks." Roman concluded that white people were 354 percent more likely to be found justified in killing a black person than another white person across Stand Your Ground states. [PBS, 7/31/12]

http://mediamatters.org/research/2013/08/22/hannity-is-wrong-stand-your-ground-laws-dont-be/195528


Only an idiot would claim these laws benefit blacks. It may result in more of them being killed, and their killers walking free.

But maybe that's what you like about it--you can kill black people and get away with it. That's what any good racist, like you, would like.
firefly
 
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Thu 5 Sep, 2013 04:02 pm
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George Zimmerman's Wife Files for Divorce
Sept. 5, 2013
By MATT GUTMAN and MISEON LEE

George Zimmerman's wife Shellie has filed for divorce less than two months after he was acquitted of murder in the death of teenager Trayvon Martin.

She filed the paper work just days after she said in an interviewed aired exclusively on ABC News that the ordeal of the trial had put a strain on their marriage.

Shellie Zimmerman pleaded guilty last month to perjury for lying about the couple's finances when the judge was setting bail for her husband. She appeared in court without her husband.

She said in the interview with freelance journalist Christi O'Connor that she felt "very much alone" without him in the courtroom to support her when she pleaded guilty.

During the interview, Shellie Zimmerman, 26, said she is "going to have to think about" whether she stayed married to George.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/george-zimmermans-wife-files-divorce/story?id=20171165


Now she can testify against him if Trayvon Martin's parents file a civil suit. Wink

She can also tell the world what he's really like...

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Baldimo
 
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Thu 5 Sep, 2013 04:02 pm
@firefly,
The article doesn't say who is killing who the most with SYG. We already know that more black people are killed by fellow blacks then they are by whites. So what isn't the article telling us?

firefly
 
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Thu 5 Sep, 2013 04:13 pm
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George Zimmerman’s Wife Second Amendmented Their Marriage Night Before He Shot Trayvon Martin
by Doktor Zoom

In an interview with ABC News, George Zimmerman’s wife Shellie acknowledged that she had left her husband the night before he shot and killed Trayvon Martin. Oh, and she left because they had an argument, and was staying at her father’s house the night of the shooting. But when reporter Christi O’Connor asked for details, Ms. Zimmerman declined to answer:

“Does George have a temper? How volatile did it get the evening before?” asked O’Connor.

“Not going to answer that,” responded Zimmerman.


So, nothing to change the irrefutable fact that Trayvon Martin was a violent gangster thug who attacked a law-abiding good guy who, thank god, was able to defend himself.

Ms. Zimmerman spoke to O’Connor after she pleaded guilty to a misdemeanor charge of perjury Wednesday, admitting that she had lied at a bond hearing about the amount of money the couple had raised through a defense fund.* She also told O’Connor that she felt “very much alone” when, after supporting George Zimmerman throughout his court hearings and trial, he did not attend her when she appeared in court this week.

She also said that the lead-up to the trial put a great deal of stress on their marriage and that she feared Zimmerman at times; he sounds like a real peach of a guy (emotional abuse trigger warning here):

During the ordeal she said she wished she stood up for herself more and that she felt like she was directed to do a lot of things by George and relinquished a lot of control to him, but she said she did so because she did not want to stress him out.

“George has never laid a hand on me nor has he ever used any sort of force. I was concerned that we were living in something that we’d never experienced before and that there is a first time for everything….I just always had that kind of fear in the back of mind,” she said.


Poor George Zimmerman — victimized by the blacks, victimized by the press, and now victimized by the woman who feared he might snap and hit her.

http://wonkette.com/527163/george-zimmermans-wife-second-amendmented-their-marriage-night-before-he-shot-trayvon-martin#mySs0LYVGHjQTBm3.99
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BillRM
 
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Thu 5 Sep, 2013 04:33 pm
@Baldimo,
The leading cause of death of young black males are other young black males not white racists or the police.

Homicide for all other groupings is way down the list of reasons for dying of young males in fact way way behind the number one reason accidents.

If you wish to keep a young black male as safe as possible when he is growing up find some area of the country where there are few other young black males

Nor would anyone who found himself or herself being beaten to death worry about the details of their state self defense laws before acting is self defense.
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Frank Apisa
 
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Thu 5 Sep, 2013 04:36 pm
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:

Quote:
So many people hoping one day they will get to use the "self defense" argument!


As far as Florida is concern those self defense laws by percent of populations have kept far more black men out of prison then non-blacks.

But maybe unlike me ,you happen to feel that there is not enough black men in the Florida prison system?


Stop dreaming, Bill. You will never make any reasonable point using arguments that lame.

My guess is that you are one of the people hoping that some day you get the chance to shoot and kill someone "in self defense." Most of your posts seems to head me toward that conclusion. Your unqualified defense of Zimmerman is part of that.

Hey...I wish you good luck. I hope the opportunity comes for you...and for your wife, if that is part of your wish.

With any kind of luck, you will be able to kill someone and walk away a hero in your mind...and in the mind of people like you.

Of course, you may pull that gun of yours and shoot yourself while doing so.

If that happens, I hope you write and tell us about it. It would just be a few laughs among friends.
BillRM
 
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Thu 5 Sep, 2013 05:24 pm
@Frank Apisa,
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My guess is that you are one of the people hoping that some day you get the chance to shoot and kill someone "in self defense." Most of your posts seems to head me toward that conclusion. Your unqualified defense of Zimmerman is part of that.


You can come to any silly conclusion you care to but in many many decades of carrying firearms no one that I have ever had any kind of conflict with or concern about ever even knew I was armed.

Including the nut who got into my face and threaten to killed me in fact follow me home and killed me.
Frank Apisa
 
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Thu 5 Sep, 2013 05:26 pm
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:

Quote:
My guess is that you are one of the people hoping that some day you get the chance to shoot and kill someone "in self defense." Most of your posts seems to head me toward that conclusion. Your unqualified defense of Zimmerman is part of that.


You can come to any silly conclusion you care to but it been many many decades of carrying firearms no one that


That sentence was actually an improvement on your regular fare.
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BillRM
 
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Thu 5 Sep, 2013 05:34 pm
@Frank Apisa,
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Of course, you may pull that gun of yours and shoot yourself while doing s


Sorry to disappointed you but I had always feel it was my obligation if I was going to carry a firearm to be as expert as possible with them therefore I had spend many hundreds of hours at the range every year and I do not even wish to think about the dollars worth of bullets that had been fired down range by me every year.
Frank Apisa
 
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Thu 5 Sep, 2013 05:48 pm
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:

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Of course, you may pull that gun of yours and shoot yourself while doing s


Sorry to disappointed you but I had always feel it was my obligation if I was going to carry a firearm to be as expert as possible with them therefore I had spend many hundreds of hours at the range every year and I do not even wish to think about the dollars worth of bullets that had been fired down range by me every year.



Yeah. Almost all of the gun owners who have shot themselves and/or family members feel that same way.
RABEL222
 
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Thu 5 Sep, 2013 06:59 pm
@Frank Apisa,
Shelly Zimmerman finally kicked the child killer to the curb. Filed for divorce. Wonder how long it will take the character assassinators to pile on to her?
BillRM
 
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Thu 5 Sep, 2013 07:01 pm
@Frank Apisa,
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Yeah. Almost all of the gun owners who have shot themselves and/or family members feel that same way.


LOL you are a firearm expert my ass and my family always have had firearms of all types and not one accident in the hundred years or so of family history I know about at least.

But dreams on because the gun nuts you seems to wish harm to are not going to hurt themselves with their own guns.

BillRM
 
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Thu 5 Sep, 2013 07:07 pm
@RABEL222,
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Shelly Zimmerman finally kicked the child killer to the curb. Filed for divorce. Wonder how long it will take the character assassinators to pile on to her?


Damn shame that you assholes was able to put enough pressure on this family to cause it to break apart.

But then there is always the chance that in order to reduce the risk to her from the haters such as yourself they decided to "end" their marriage.

If my wife life was at risk from terrorists and I knew the government is not going to offer any protection not even the protections of going after a few of the people making death threats I might suggest that she "divorce" me also.

Footnote I am still laughing at the label child in reference to Trayvon and may someday soon you will run into such a child or more then one.
firefly
 
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Thu 5 Sep, 2013 07:09 pm
@BillRM,
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Including the nut who got into my face and threaten to killed me in fact follow me home and killed me.


Someone followed you home and killed you?

Was that George Zimmerman too? He's known for following and killing people.

And despite being killed, you're still around. Rolling Eyes

You'd be better off if you had brains rather than bullets.

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