The State of Florida vs George Zimmerman: The Trial

@firefly,

firefly wrote:

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Howard University School of Law’s Response to

State of Florida v. George Zimmerman

George Zimmerman is not innocent, he was found not guilty of the charges of Second Degree Murder or Manslaughter.
This verdict was not about justice for Trayvon Martin which he deserved.

That homicidal maniac GOT what he deserved
and the rest of us are safer for it.

This case was 1OO% racial.
The Republican governor persecuted Zimmy in fear of race riots.
If 2 whites or 2 blacks had done the same thing,
there is NO CHANCE that sharp ton nor obama 'd have become involved.

If travon had been CIVIL, then he 'd have survived un-ruffled.
He was having fun with "ground & pound" waiting to brag about it,
when Zimmy gave him the one gun salute.

David

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@McGentrix,

McGentrix wrote:

Stereotypes exist for a reason...

That is a good point.
Thay are a perception of known history; "past is prologue".

That is like when someone sees Gypsies, he perceives danger of getting "Gypped"
and the same on detection of the approach of the Irish Travellers.

David

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@McGentrix,

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Stereotypes exist for a reason...

Ignorance.

Over-generalizations about entire groups generally lead to erroneous conclusions because they obscure individual differences and considerable variability. They are the stuff that breeds bigotry.

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@OmSigDAVID,

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This case was 1OO% racial.

Then there is no doubt about the fact that Trayvon Martin was racially profiled, and stalked, and needlessly killed, because he was a young black male.

Had George Zimmerman remained in his car, Trayvon Martin would still be alive.

George Zimmerman will always have the blood of an innocent black child on his hands. And he'll never be able to wash that blood out of his mind, or anyone else's mind. He will always be known as a punk who killed an unarmed child and got away with murder.

http://www.trbimg.com/img-51e6f6dd/turbine/sfl-chan-lowe-trayvon-martin-george-zimmerman--001/555/555x384

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@OmSigDAVID,

No, the jury took it to mean there was doubt as to self defense or other justifiable reasons. Surely as a lawyer you can understand that David.

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@parados,

As I said it does not matter as in this case justice happen without the victim needing to die unlike the WW2 vet or the foreign tourist that was also attacked by poor black children. One of those children being two years younger then Trayvon.

Can just picture Sharpton leading rallies once more if the other two victims had pull out firearms and dared to stop their own murders by employing legal deadly force on those poor young men.

Now hopefully Zimmerman will be make as whole as possible financially from both the state and a civil suit against CBS for editing the 911 tape for example and even the Prosecutor for calling him a murderer after he was found innocent by a jury.

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@BillRM,

A victim did die Bill. You seem to keep forgetting that.

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@BillRM,

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Now hopefully Zimmerman will be make as whole as possible financially from both the state and a civil suit against CBS for editing the 911 tape for example and even the Prosecutor for calling him a murderer after he was found innocent by a jury.

CBS? Your grasp on facts for this case is pretty slim.

By the way, I doubt the Zimmerman suit will ever make it to court and the likelihood of Zimmerman winning is slim since he has to prove malice. No media outlet played the entire tape. They all edited it. NBC didn't move parts out of sequence to portray Zimmerman in a certain light. They just eliminated parts to fit the time slot.

I can also point to your response to Zimmerman as evidence that he wasn't harmed by the editing.

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@BillRM,

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As I said it does not matter as in this case justice happen without the victim needing to die unlike the WW2 vet or the foreign tourist that was also attacked by poor black children. One of those children being two years younger then Trayvon.

The victim in this case was the black child Zimmerman killed, idiot. That's why Zimmerman was on trial. He committed a homicide. No verdict changes that fact, he simply escaped legal punishment. He will always be known as the punk who erroneously profiled and killed an unarmed innocent child.

Do you have some irrational fears of all black children too? You sound rather paranoid on that subject.

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Now hopefully Zimmerman will be make as whole as possible financially ...

The asshole was in heavy debt before he shot and killed someone. There's nothing "to make whole."

Nor does he have a reputation to defend in a civil suit. Even one of the jurors said he got away with murder. Laughing

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The reckless punk still can't manage to obey the laws...

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George Zimmerman busted in Florida for speeding

Zimmerman was acquitted in the killing of 17-year-old Trayvon Martin in July and was pulled over in Texas for speeding only 15 days after. Now he's been ticketed for the same in Lake Mary, Florida.

By Corinne Lestch / NEW YORK DAILY NEWS
September 5, 2013,

George Zimmerman was a disaster as a neighborhood watchman — and he’s not much better at obeying speed limits.

Zimmerman was pulled over for speeding in Florida about 10:30 a.m. Tuesday, marking the second time since his controversial acquittal in the shooting death of unarmed black teen Trayvon Martin that his lead foot has been stopped by lights and sirens.

Real cops in Lake Mary, Fla., near Orlando, pulled over the wanna-be cop in his Honda Ridgeline because he was going 60 mph in a 45-mph zone, authorities confirmed Wednesday.

A video released by Lake Mary police, who use body cameras on the job, shows Zimmerman, wearing a black wool cap and dark shades, apologizing to an officer for being a menace on the streets.

“I didn’t see, I’m sorry,” Zimmerman mumbled to Officer Jason McDaniel.

The 29-year-old was hit with a $256 ticket and three points on his driver’s license.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/george-zimmerman-busted-florida-speeding-article-1.1446291#ixzz2e2L69CNv

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@firefly,

A non-bias news report. Gotta love em. No animosity from this report at all is there.

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@Baldimo,

A lot of people don't like Zimmerman--he might as well get used to living with that fact, just like O.J. and Casey Anthony.

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@firefly,

firefly wrote:

A lot of people don't like Zimmerman. . . .

Yeah, the blacks.
That 's a lot better than death
from an encephalectomy inflicted by Mr. t.

David

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@parados,

parados wrote:

No, the jury took it to mean there was doubt as to self defense or other justifiable reasons.

O, really?? What evidence have u of that??

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@parados,

parados wrote:

A victim did die Bill. You seem to keep forgetting that.

The GOOD thing about this is
that the predator, Mr. t, had the tables turned on him,
by his victim, Zimmy. The bad guy, the predator, became the victim. I feel very good about that.

The underdog prevailed; the victim won!!!

I MARVEL at how up to, but not including, the time of death of this violent predator,
anyone (presumably including the blacks) wud have seen nothing unlawful nor immoral in FOLLOWING anyone.
That was not a racial issue, but AFTER the death of this attempted murderer, suddenly some un-defined,
vague evil was attributed to following a suspected burglar.

David

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@OmSigDAVID,

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Yeah, the blacks

It's hardly just the blacks who don't like Zimmerman.

He's not all that liked by whites, Hispanics, and Asians, either. Laughing

Even people who agree with the verdict, on the basis of law, don't particularly like him. Laughing

Trayvon Martin will continue to be a symbol for good--for justice, for civil rights, for an end to racial inequality and racism.

And Zimmerman will just be that punk, wannabe cop, who erroneously profiled, stalked, and killed, an innocent unarmed child--and who got away with murder.

And you can get your panties in a knot about that all you want, but there's not a damn thing you can do to change it. Laughing

Zimmerman will continue to crap up his own life, just watch him. He's a loser.

And he will have to look over his shoulder for the rest of his life. He'll know how he made Trayvon Martin feel that night when he stalked him...

http://media.cagle.com/47/2013/07/18/134789_600.jpg

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@OmSigDAVID,

The statements of the jury members.

What do you have to show they felt there was no doubt about self defense?

But surely, you as a lawyer must understand that reasonable doubt about an event does not equate to believing it happened the opposite.

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@OmSigDAVID,

Long before Zimmerman shot Martin in cold blood I sat in crime prevention meetings where police officers stated we shouldn't follow suspected burglars but rather we should call 911 and give description, location and direction the suspect was moving. Following anyone was dangerous. That was not some vague undefined evil. It was a statement of caution if not fact.

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@OmSigDAVID,

OmSigDAVID wrote:

Frank Apisa wrote:

OmSigDAVID wrote:

Frank Apisa wrote:

OmSigDAVID wrote:

Frank Apisa wrote:
That was Zimmerman...the shooter who was on trial...not the victim.
The verdict indicated who
was the victim of travon.

Not by a long shot. (Irony intended.) [It was a very short shot. David]

Because the killing was admitted,
(so far as I can see) the only justification
is the self defense assertion that defendant raised.

Perhaps I overlooked other possible defenses
that the jury might have favored, Frank?
Can u help us with that ??

David

"The verdict", David...does not in any way indicate there was any victim.

But, I suspect you will play with this for a while...and I will enjoy playing with it in return.

OK.
I do that.
U maintain that the jury took it to be AN ACCIDENT ??

David

I maintain that the verdict does not indicate in any way that there was a "victim"...and most definitely it does not indicate that Zimmerman was the victim.

At best, the verdict indicates that the prosecution was not able to prove its case.

That is what I maintain.

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@firefly,

DAVID wrote:

This case was 1OO% racial.

firefly wrote:

Then there is no doubt about the fact that Trayvon Martin was racially profiled,

It would make sense to DO that,
as the naborhood burglars were known to be blacks, not Chinamen,
but it appears that Zimmy did not actually do it.
He took notice of someone apparently pre-burglary
casing the houses and called police; very nice of him.

firefly wrote:

and stalked,

Yes; innocently stalked,
for a short distance; nothing bad about that.

firefly wrote:

and needlessly killed,

NO. That is a foolish thing to say.
The need was to counterattack an attempted murderer.
Zimmy successfully DID that.

firefly wrote:

because he was a young black male.

NO; he shot him because he was pounding Zimmy 's head on the street.

firefly wrote:

Had George Zimmerman remained in his car,

There was NO REASON for Zimmy to do that.
He had as much right to use the streets as the predator did.
The citizens of Florida get out of their cars as ofen as thay get into them.
There is NO rule that says that citizens must remain in their cars.

firefly wrote:

Trayvon Martin would still be alive.

Then the rest of us wud be in danger from him; not a good thing.
I feel safer without him.

firefly wrote:

George Zimmerman will always have the blood of an innocent black child on his hands.

There was nothing "innocent" about decedent.
I deem it foolish to consider a 17 year old to be a "child"; I was no child at 17.
Admittedly, people below age 18 are all screwn out of their natural rights to vote,
but that does not make him a "child".

firefly wrote:

And he'll never be able to wash that blood out of his mind,

So, Dr. Firefly your professional expertise in psychiatry (or is it telepathy??) enable u to prognose
what Zimmy will have in his mind, right???? Most insightful!!

Did u bill him for this analysis ?

firefly wrote:

or anyone else's mind.

1OO% of all 6 of the jurors unanimously agreed to acquit him of all charges against him.
Zimmy is innocent and a very uncommonly good fellow
for his anti-burglary activities, in MY mind.
U have the arrogance to project yourself into my mind
and into the mind of everyone else and then to declare
to the world what is in my mind and in "anyone else's mind"; some nerve.

We reject your intrusion and reject your mis-characterization.
( "We" refers to the people I know, who supported the right
of anyone to kill in self defense when his head is being beaten on the street. )

firefly wrote:

He will always be known as a punk who killed an unarmed child and got away with murder.

Concerning the elocution attributed to Wayne LaPierre
in your cartoon:
the same as we respect everyone 's right to freedom of religion,
but we have no duty to give them Bibles, so also no one has a right to FREE GUNS.
I had to pay for MY guns. Y shud we give them to the blacks??

I dunno whether he deems the lawful killing of a violent felon
to have been "a tragedy" as the cartoon says or not.

On the night in question, there was no occasion for anyone to be less than civil.

I have posted b4 that a few days ago, I was walking in my first naborhood in NY
when I was confronted by someone who asked: "can I help u ?"
I said no, smiling and NOT pounding his head on the street.

There was no occasion for violence.

I suspect that Mr. t just wanted to brag about his pounding a white.

Note that the Constitution requires "equal protection of the laws";
therefore EVERYONE is equally entitled to carry his guns
the same as he carries his wallet un-challenged, the same as his shoes or sox.
The Bill of Rights simply deprives government of any jurisdiction
to interfere in matters of personal armament, including blacks.

David

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