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The State of Florida vs George Zimmerman: The Trial

 
 
BillRM
 
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Wed 4 Sep, 2013 01:33 pm
@parados,
Quote:
Gosh.. and you are the one that claimed having such pictures makes someone a hoodlum. 20-40% of teenagers are likely to have such pictures on their phone. I guess your world is full of hoodlums.


I do not know where you got a 40 percent or even 20 percent figure however I was always of the opinion that the CP laws needed to be change and as a result of taking that position Firefly have call me a pedophile.

Strange that she is now willing to do an 180 degree turn and supported someone she would had been calling to be imprison for decades if it was other then Trayvon Martian.

In any case, the pictures and text messages as a whole show him as a pot smoking, gun handling and women jewelry stealing. fighting loving hoodlum that was also a felon as in just having those naked pictures of underage females is a felony at both the state and federal levels.

Nice to know that you are so willing to defend a child porn collector as long as the name is Trayvon Martian.
parados
 
  1  
Wed 4 Sep, 2013 01:44 pm
@BillRM,
Quote:

I do not know where you got a 40 percent or even 20 percent figure however I was always of the opinion that the CP laws needed to be change and as a result of taking that position Firefly have call me a pedophile.
I already posted the link. You ignored it.
Quote:

Strange that she is now willing to do an 180 degree turn and supported someone she would had been calling to be imprison for decades if it was other then Trayvon Martian.
Gosh and it isn't strange that you did a 180 turn?

Quote:


In any case, the pictures and text messages as a whole show him as a pot smoking, gun handling and women jewelry stealing. fighting loving hoodlum that was also a felon as in just having those naked pictures of underage females is a felony at both the state and federal levels.
ROFLMAO. You keep repeating crap that there is no evidence of or don't lead to the conclusions you are making.
Naked pictures makes him a hoodlum? Then it could be 40% of teenagers are hoodlums.
Handling a gun makes someone a hoodlum? Since when? Maybe you should tell OMSigDavid that. THis is just you trying to justify your opinion.
You still have no evidence that jewelry was stolen by Martin. The fact that he didn't say where it was from is NOT evidence it was stolen. It only shows you are trying to justify without evidence.

So, do you think everyone that has pictures of naked children deserve to be in jail or not? If NOT then your argument is disingenuous when it comes to Martin. If SO then your argument about child porn is disingenuous. You are simply making up evidence and changing your position to justify your opinion and pretend that you have some argument. Instead your argument is nothing but circular reasoning. You use your list to show Martin is a hoodlum and then use Martin being a hoodlum as evidence to support that jewelry must have been stolen and the gun must be for bad purposes. It is circular. It is fallacious. It is simply an attempt by you to attempt to justify what could be considered racism. In fact there is as much evidence that you are a racist as Martin was a hoodlum.
firefly
 
  2  
Wed 4 Sep, 2013 02:26 pm
@BillRM,
Quote:
I was always of the opinion that the CP laws needed to be change and as a result of taking that position Firefly have call me a pedophile.


No, you're the one who posted in a thread, and told everyone at A2K you were profiled as being a pedophile, and kicked out of a public park, because other adults who observed you, didn't like the way you were interacting with young children and they wanted you away from them.

And you are obsessed with child pornography--you can't stop talking about it. You're preoccupied with whether a 16 year old kid had a nude picture of an underage female on his phone--something that couldn't be less relevant to the circumstances of his death--because talking about nude sexualized children seems to excite you. You can't drop the topic.

And that 16 year old was killed by someone whose cousin has accused him of sexually molesting her beginning when she was 6 years old.

The child homicide victim in this case was never accused of being a pedophile, or had a restraining order taken out against him for being violent or abusive to anyone--unlike both you and George Zimmerman.

And, unlike George Zimmerman, Trayvon Martin had no arrest history, no history of harming or hurting anyone, he didn't walk around armed, and he exhibited no anti-social behavior in his community--unlike Zimmerman, who not only slugged a law enforcement officer, and resisted arrest with violence, and got fired from a job for being too aggressive, and acted abusively toward his ex-fiancée, and, rather outrageously, engaged in an elaborate scheme to deliberately conceal evidence from a judge in a court of law--none of which are the actions of a fine, upstanding citizen, by a longshot.

Compared to George Zimmerman, a somewhat sociopathic adult hoodlum, Trayvon Martin, a high school kid, was a choir boy.

And Martin was considerably less obsessed with guns than you are. You not only love talking about guns, you also delight in detailing the many other ways one can express violence and harm people. The whole idea of killing people seems to turn you on.

Martin was only a kid, a child, but he appears to have been much more decent, and law-aiding, and considerably less aggressive, and less abusive toward women, than either you or George Zimmerman.

You're only convincing people of how repulsive and hateful you are, beside being an idiot with racist attitudes.

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BillRM
 
  -1  
Wed 4 Sep, 2013 03:10 pm
Well I guess it time to sum up this thread.

The victim not only survived but was found not guilty for daring to survived by employing the legal used of deadly force.

The attacker end up dead and therefore no future danger to any of us.

In the end everything work out just fine.



firefly
 
  2  
Wed 4 Sep, 2013 03:26 pm
@parados,
Quote:
In fact there is as much evidence that you are a racist as Martin was a hoodlum.

No, I think there is considerably more evidence that BillRM is a racist than that Trayvon Martin was a hoodlum.

There is no evidence at all that Martin was a hoodlum--the designation of "hoodlum" is only appropriate for someone who actually acts like a hoodlum in the community.

hoodlum...
1. a person who engages in crime and violence; a hooligan or gangster

hoodlum...
1 thug; especially : a violent criminal

Martin was never arrested for anything. There is no evidence he ever committed any crimes.

The business with the allegedly "stolen jewelry" is pure bullshit. He seems to have been holding some jewelry for someone else, but, according to the Miami/Dade County police, no jewelry like what Martin had was ever reported as stolen. There is absolutely no evidence that he ever stole anything, and certainly no evidence he ever committed a burglary.

Martin was not violent. He never got into trouble for hurting or harming or fighting with anyone.

The pictures on a teen's cell phone, and the content of his private messages and Tweets to friends, are nothing but adolescent talk and pictures, and they tell you nothing about how he actually behaved in public--in real life. In terms of his actual behavior in school, and the community, and with other people, Trayvon Martin was not a "hoodlum"--not at all. He seems never to have bothered or hurt or harmed anyone. People described him as being "well-behaved" or "cheerful" or "quiet and reserved".

So, the "evidence" that Martin was allegedly "a hoodlum" is largely a smear campaign, and it was started by "leaks", and deliberate distortions, by Zimmerman's defense team in a clear attempt to pollute a potential jury pool by biasing them against the victim of a homicide. And this crap was picked up by, and exaggerated even more by, right-wing Web sites and Zimmerman's brother. And mindless schmucks, particularly those with racist attitudes, like BillRM, bought it. Anyone with half a brain can see it's all based on innuendo and distortion. And it's designed to capitalize on and exploit negative racial stereotypes about inner city young black males--a mold Trayvon Martin, and his middle class family, really didn't fit into.

On the other hand, BillRM has supplied us with plenty of evidence, in this thread as well as others, that he is a racist and a bigot. And it all comes straight from his own mouth. The case for BillRM being a racist is pretty solid.

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Frank Apisa
 
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Wed 4 Sep, 2013 03:53 pm
@BillRM,
Bill wrote:


Quote:
Well I guess it time to sum up this thread.

The victim not only survived...


But the victim did not survive. He was killed. How could you have missed that?


Quote:
...but was found not guilty for daring to survived by employing the legal used of deadly force.


That was Zimmerman...the shooter who was on trial...not the victim.



Quote:
The attacker end up dead and therefore no future danger to any of us.


He was no danger in the past...and most likely would have been no danger in the future if he were still alive.




Quote:
In the end everything work out just fine.


I guess it did for you. Now, when you finally get that chance to shoot someone...your lawyers will be able to point to this case as part of your defense.


firefly
 
  1  
Wed 4 Sep, 2013 04:15 pm
Zimmerman got stopped for speeding--again.

He's still having problems obeying laws, and keeping a low profile.
Quote:
George Zimmerman gets speeding ticket in Lake Mary
By Jeff Weiner, Orlando Sentinel
September 4, 2013

George Zimmerman, the former Neighborhood Watch volunteer acquitted of murder in the shooting death of 17-year-old Trayvon Martin, was pulled over for speeding in Lake Mary on Tuesday, police said.

Zimmerman was stopped and ticketed for driving 60 mph in a 45 mph zone about 10:35 a.m. Tuesday, the Lake Mary Police Department confirmed on Wednesday.

He was stopped on Rinehart Road north of Lake Mary Boulevard near the entrance to a former Siemen's manufacturing plant, according to the speeding ticket he was issued.

He faces a fine of $256. Officer Jason McDaniel, who pulled Zimmerman over, was wearing a camera, and the brief traffic stop was captured on video and released by police Wednesday.

It shows Zimmerman with a beard and wearing a blue plaid shirt, driving a gray Honda Ridgeline truck.

He is polite, apologizes and reaches into his glove box but apparently cannot find his registration. The officer does not make an issue of that. He checks a computer on his motorcycle for outstanding warrants, finds none, then hands Zimmerman the ticket.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/trayvon-martin/os-george-zimmerman-pulled-over-speeding-20130904,0,203011.story/quote]
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firefly
 
  1  
Wed 4 Sep, 2013 04:24 pm
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Trayvon Martin's father leads FAMU football team onto Citrus Bowl field before opener
Tracy Martin says it felt good to spend time with Rattlers before MEAC/SWAC Challenge
September 1, 2013|
By Chris Hays, Orlando Sentinel

Trayvon Martin’s father led the FAMU football team onto the field before the Rattlers’ season opener Sunday at the Citrus Bowl, embracing his role as honorary captain this season.

Tracy Martin, whose son Trayvon was shot and killed in Sanford last year, has been working to raise funds in support of families scarred by violence. He welcomed the opportunity to spend time with the young Florida A&M team. Tracy Martin ran out of the Orlando Citrus Bowl tunnel with the Rattlers shortly before the start of their game against Mississippi Valley State, part of the 9th Annual MEAC/SWAC Challenge.

“It feels good just to be a part of that, man. I had a son that used to go to FAMU and Trayvon wanted to go to FAMU,” Martin said immediately after taking the field. “I’m good friends with coach [Earl] Holmes, the coaching staff . . . some of the kids on the team I even coached them in little league football, so it felt good to run out there with them.”

Martin and Holmes spoke during the summer and they decided it would be a good idea for Martin to be an honorary captain for this year’s squad to help bring more attention to the Trayvon Martin Foundation. The foundation’s purpose, according to the website trayvonmartinfoundation.org, is to raise awareness about how violent crime impacts the families of the victims and to provide support and advocacy for those families.

Martin is slated to assist with the coin toss during FAMU’s home opener against Tennessee State next week.

“Coach Holmes knows the passion I share with the kids at FAMU. He asked me and I gladly accepted,” Martin said of his role.

Martin said opportunities like spending time with the FAMU team has helped him move forward since the George Zimmerman was acquitted in July on all charges in connection with Trayvon Martin’s death.

“We’re just taking the momentum of the people that are behind us,” Tracy Martin said. “We surrounded ourselves with good people … our families and friends. We’re just taking the momentum and trying to turn a negative into a positive.”
http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2013-09-01/sports/os-trayvon-martins-father-leads-famu-football-team-20130901_1_famu-football-team-tracy-martin-trayvon-martin-foundation
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firefly
 
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Wed 4 Sep, 2013 04:29 pm
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UN experts urge United States to wrap up review of Trayvon Martin case, examine laws

3 September 2013 – A group of United Nations independent experts today called on the Government of the United State to finalize the ongoing review of the case involving the death of teenager Trayvon Martin, an African –American teenager who was shot in 2012 by a neighbourhood watchman in the state of Florida.

“We call upon the US Government to examine its laws that could have discriminatory impact on African Americans, and to ensure that such laws are in full compliance with the country’s international legal obligations and relevant standards,” said human rights expert Verene Shepherd, who currently heads the UN Working Group of Experts of People of African Descent.

The death of Trayvon Martin sparked a new debate about racial profiling in the United States after the unarmed black 17-year-old was shot and killed in Florida by George Zimmerman, a neighbourhood watchman. Mr. Zimmerman, who argued that he acted in self-defence and with justifiable use of deadly force, was found not guilty of all charges against him.

The US Department of Justice, the US Attorney’s Office for the Middle District of Florida and the Federal Bureau of Investigation are currently evaluating the evidence generated during the federal investigation, as well as the evidence and testimony from the state trial, trying to establish potential civil rights charges linked to the case.

“The Trayvon Martin case has highlighted the importance of the need to review those existing laws and policies that can have a discriminatory effect on the basis of race, as African Americans become more vulnerable to such discrimination,” Ms. Shepherd said, recalling that the US has been party to the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights since 1992, the International Convention on the Elimination of Racial Discrimination since 1994, and many other international human rights law treaties.

“States are required to take effective measures to review governmental, national and local policies, and to amend, rescind or nullify any laws and regulations which have the effect of creating or perpetuating racial discrimination wherever it exists,” said the Special Rapporteur on racism, Mutuma Ruteere.

According to the 2011 US Department of Justice Hate Crime Statistics, 71.9 per cent of the total number of victims of hate crimes reported to the nation’s law enforcement agencies were victims of an offender’s anti-black bias. In a 2012 survey, the local non-governmental organization Malcolm X Grassroots Movement found that at least 136 unarmed African Americans were killed by police, security guards and self-appointed vigilantes over the course of a single year.

http://www.un.org/apps/news/story.asp?NewsID=45762&Cr=united+states&Cr1=#.UiezQCrD_3g
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firefly
 
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Wed 4 Sep, 2013 04:36 pm
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Black Student Movement events focus on Trayvon Martin
The three-lecture series will explore issues in the case.
By Jordan Bailey | The Daily Tar Heel

Following the fallout surrounding the controversial verdict in the State of Florida v. George Zimmerman case in July, UNC groups are working to ensure students are educated before forming opinions on the outcome.

The Black Student Movement’s Political Action Committee, in conjunction with the Carolina Black Caucus and UNC NAACP, is hosting a three-part discussion series on the Trayvon Martin case.

The events, which kick off Wednesday, will allow students to have open conversation and ask questions about the case.

“We hope to give those attending more insight to develop knowledgeable criticisms of the case,” said Brandon Napier, BSM’s Political Action Committee co-chairman.

“We want to clear up any misconceptions about criminal law trials so that when they’re making opinions about the Trayvon Martin case, they’re able to be knowledgeable in those (opinions) and be able to consider all of the factors that went into the case.”

Martin was an African-American young man who was shot and killed by Zimmerman, a community watchman in a Florida neighborhood who claimed self-defense in his trial. Zimmerman was found not guilty of second-degree murder in the incident under a Florida statute known as the “Stand Your Ground” law, which allows for deadly retaliation in cases of self-defense.

In response to continued national attention to the case, BSM organizers decided to host the series to provide students with a space to explore issues around the shooting.

BSM Political Action Committee Co-Chairwoman Summer Holmes said Wednesday’s discussion — “The Decision, The Law and Understanding Court Procedures” — will focus on legal terminology.

“We’re going to be talking about legal vernacular … basically any elements of the case that a normal, everyday person wouldn’t know,” Holmes said.

“Like, what is ‘proof beyond a reasonable doubt,’ or ‘burden of proof,’ things like that. What do those mean and how do those play into the case?”

Holmes said three law professors will attend the event to participate in the discussion and answer questions.

Exercise and sports sciences professor Deborah Stroman, chairwoman of the Carolina Black Caucus, said the case presents an opportunity to start a national discussion on racism.

“For as great as America is as a country … there (are) taboo subjects, and one of them, I would say, is race.”

“We have a very ugly history in terms of our mistreatment of various people, and the Trayvon Martin tragedy really brought up the issue.

“To me, it provides a wonderful case study or example of how we need to talk more about this and what it means to people.”

The second event in the series will take place on Sept. 11 and will focus on themes such as being black in America and media representation of the case. The third session will center around ways for minority youth to empower themselves.

“We want our generation to be more politically active,” Holmes said. “To know what’s going on, know what kind of laws are being passed in our state and our country.

“We want people to be empowered to change things that politically or legally they don’t like. We want people to take an active role in being a citizen of the United States.”
[email protected]
http://www.dailytarheel.com/article/2013/09/trayvon-series-0904
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OmSigDAVID
 
  3  
Wed 4 Sep, 2013 08:22 pm
@Frank Apisa,
Frank Apisa wrote:
That was Zimmerman...the shooter who was on trial...not the victim.
The verdict indicated who
was the victim
of travon.
OmSigDAVID
 
  3  
Wed 4 Sep, 2013 08:30 pm
@firefly,
firefly wrote:

Quote:
An amusing little fact..........

Nothing about the unnecessary death of an innocent . . .
There is NOTHING "innocent" about beating someone 's head
on the cement merely because he was INNOCENTLY following someone.
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OmSigDAVID
 
  3  
Wed 4 Sep, 2013 08:51 pm
@firefly,
firefly wrote:

Quote:
Had George Zimmerman simply remained in his car,
this young homicidal maniac would still be alive

Stop being an idiot, David.

Had George Zimmerman remained in his car, this young homicide victim would still be alive.

http://thejosevilson.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/trayvonmartinwithdad.jpg
Yes; fortunately the intended victim of the murder
succeeded in turning it around so that the predator
became the victim of his own initiated violence.

That is poetic justice; Florida is a safer place. Stop being an idiot, Firefly.
Frank Apisa
 
  1  
Thu 5 Sep, 2013 03:08 am
@OmSigDAVID,
OmSigDAVID wrote:

Frank Apisa wrote:
That was Zimmerman...the shooter who was on trial...not the victim.
The verdict indicated who
was the victim
of travon.


Not by a long shot. (Irony intended.)
OmSigDAVID
 
  2  
Thu 5 Sep, 2013 05:00 am
@Frank Apisa,
Frank Apisa wrote:

OmSigDAVID wrote:

Frank Apisa wrote:
That was Zimmerman...the shooter who was on trial...not the victim.
The verdict indicated who
was the victim
of travon.


Not by a long shot. (Irony intended.) [It was a very short shot. David]
Because the killing was admitted,
(so far as I can see) the only justification
is the self defense assertion that defendant raised.

Perhaps I overlooked other possible defenses
that the jury might have favored, Frank?
Can u help us with that ??





David
firefly
 
  1  
Thu 5 Sep, 2013 08:04 am
@OmSigDAVID,
Quote:
Florida is a safer place.

Not while people like you, and BillRM, and George Zimmerman live there...
Quote:
Yes; fortunately the intended victim of the murder
succeeded in turning it around so that the predator
became the victim of his own initiated violence.

That is poetic justice

No, David, the predator was the self-styled vigilante who recklessly stalked an innocent child in the dark...and wound up killing him.

This is poetic justice.

http://media.cagle.com/47/2013/07/18/134789_600.jpg
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Frank Apisa
 
  0  
Thu 5 Sep, 2013 08:50 am
@OmSigDAVID,
OmSigDAVID wrote:

Frank Apisa wrote:

OmSigDAVID wrote:

Frank Apisa wrote:
That was Zimmerman...the shooter who was on trial...not the victim.
The verdict indicated who
was the victim
of travon.


Not by a long shot. (Irony intended.) [It was a very short shot. David]
Because the killing was admitted,
(so far as I can see) the only justification
is the self defense assertion that defendant raised.

Perhaps I overlooked other possible defenses
that the jury might have favored, Frank?
Can u help us with that ??





David


"The verdict", David...does not in any way indicate there was any victim.

But, I suspect you will play with this for a while...and I will enjoy playing with it in return. Wink
firefly
 
  0  
Thu 5 Sep, 2013 09:06 am
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Howard University School of Law’s Response to

State of Florida v. George Zimmerman

George Zimmerman is not innocent, he was found not guilty of the charges of Second Degree Murder or Manslaughter. This verdict was not about justice for Trayvon Martin which he deserved. We are profoundly saddened by this verdict because it means that there is yet another unarmed young black male’s death at the hands of someone relying on racial stereotypes. This is why last year, Howard Law students insisted on raising the profile of this case by creating a video, “Am I Suspicious,” which was posted on YouTube and why they rallied with others in Washington, DC, and in Florida to have Zimmerman charged.

The verdict does not mean that Zimmerman is innocent or that he did not kill Trayvon Martin. At best, the verdict means that the prosecution did not sustain its burden of proof beyond a reasonable doubt, which is a steep burden. As a former prosecutor, my experience with juries is that they take their responsibility quite seriously which means they conscientiously consider the evidence and follow the law as given to them by the court. Until we learn otherwise, we have to believe that this jury did its job.

This case has initiated a national conversation about race and especially about the power of racial stereotypes that so often adversely affect young black men, in Florida and all over this country. Although it has been over 50 years since the horrific death of Emmett Till, young black boys are still being senselessly killed because they are black and male which apparently translates into “suspicious” and results in the unthinkable – the death of the young black male. One positive outcome of Trayvon Martin’s death would be to continue this important discussion, to examine the laws that can lead to a not guilty verdict when an armed adult male kills an unarmed child who is lawfully where he should be. We must fight to change those laws so that they comport with common sense, fairness, and justice. This is why protecting the right to vote is so important. The electorate should vote for legislators who are more concerned about the lives of our children rather than protect those who carry concealed weapons. This is the surest way to truly give Trayvon Martin justice.

http://www.law.howard.edu/1697



OmSigDAVID
 
  1  
Thu 5 Sep, 2013 09:17 am
@Frank Apisa,
Frank Apisa wrote:

OmSigDAVID wrote:

Frank Apisa wrote:

OmSigDAVID wrote:

Frank Apisa wrote:
That was Zimmerman...the shooter who was on trial...not the victim.
The verdict indicated who
was the victim
of travon.


Not by a long shot. (Irony intended.) [It was a very short shot. David]
Because the killing was admitted,
(so far as I can see) the only justification
is the self defense assertion that defendant raised.

Perhaps I overlooked other possible defenses
that the jury might have favored, Frank?
Can u help us with that ??





David


"The verdict", David...does not in any way indicate there was any victim.

But, I suspect you will play with this for a while...and I will enjoy playing with it in return. Wink
OK.
I do that.
U maintain that the jury took it to be AN ACCIDENT ??





David
McGentrix
 
  2  
Thu 5 Sep, 2013 09:21 am
Stereotypes exist for a reason...
 

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