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The State of Florida vs George Zimmerman: The Trial

 
 
cicerone imposter
 
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Mon 2 Sep, 2013 06:03 pm
@Frank Apisa,
Good luck. It's your time and effort.
BillRM
 
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Mon 2 Sep, 2013 06:22 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Sorry no one can convinced me short of burning out most of my brain cells that a man or woman does not have the right of self defense when attacked by a hoodlum no matter the hoodlum age or skin color.

Or that Zimmerman did a damn thing wrong is dealing with the situation that night.

I know some of you think that the only right thing for Zimmerman to had done that night is to had allowed himself to been beaten to death.
Frank Apisa
 
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Mon 2 Sep, 2013 06:56 pm
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:

Sorry no one can convinced me short of burning out most of my brain cells that a man or woman does not have the right of self defense when attacked by a hoodlum no matter the hoodlum age or skin color.

Or that Zimmerman did a damn thing wrong is dealing with the situation that night.

I know some of you think that the only right thing for Zimmerman to had done that night is to had allowed himself to been beaten to death.


There is not a single person here who thinks that. That thought is something your mind is creating to make our arguments sound silly and shallow. But it is your thought itself that is shallow and silly.

Try showing me that I am wrong.

Show where anyone here suggested that the right thing for Zimmerman to have done that night is to allow himself to be beaten to death. Show where anyone even intimated that...and I will have words with that person.
firefly
 
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Mon 2 Sep, 2013 07:30 pm
@BillRM,
Quote:
Or that Zimmerman did a damn thing wrong is dealing with the situation that night.

There was no "situation that night". Zimmerman misinterpreted the sight of a young black male in a hoodie, just walking around talking on a cell phone, as being some sort of "suspicious" type who was "up to no good", when, in fact, the young male was a guest in the community just returning from a trip to the store.

After calling the police, to report what he saw, Zimmerman lacked the appropriate self-control to remain in his car and wait for the police, despite the fact there was no crime in progress, and nothing requiring his intervention was going on, and a police dispatcher advised him they didn't need him to follow this person.

The asshole significantly disobeyed the rules of a Neighborhood Watch by both stalking his "suspect", and by carrying a gun when doing so.

He used poor judgment by never identifying himself. He did nothing to try to defuse the provocative situation he created by needlessly following someone through a darkened community.

Zimmerman, by failing to remain in his car, and by recklessly stalking a young male through the dark, interfered with that teen's right to return home safely and undisturbed, and he created the conditions for a totally needless and avoidable death through his impulsive and ill-considered actions.

Zimmerman did a great deal wrong that night, as a result of his personal obsessions, poor impulse control, and impaired judgment.

And Zimmerman's rash actions, in disregard of Neighborhood Watch rules, resulted in the death of a young male, who belonged in that community, and who was simply on his way home to watch a basketball game on TV.

Had George Zimmerman simply remained in his car, and waited for the police to arrive, there would have been no confrontation, no altercation, and no need for lethal force. This was a totally needless, avoidable, and unnecessary death.

Had George Zimmerman simply remained in his car, this young man would still be alive.
http://www.news4jax.com/image/view/-/9618556/highRes/4/-/10tgjcv/-/Trayvon-Martin-3-jpg.jpg
BillRM
 
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Mon 2 Sep, 2013 07:58 pm
@Frank Apisa,
Quote:
There is not a single person here who thinks that.


Of course they think that he did wrong by not allowing himself to be beaten to death and should had been punished for not allowing himself to be killed by spending the majority of his remaining life span in prison.
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Mon 2 Sep, 2013 08:43 pm
@firefly,
DAVID wrote:
Had George Zimmerman simply remained in his car,
this young homicidal maniac would still be alive
.
http://www.news4jax.com/image/view/-/9618556/highRes/4/-/10tgjcv/-/Trayvon-Martin-3-jpg.jpg
firefly
 
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Mon 2 Sep, 2013 08:56 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
Quote:
Had George Zimmerman simply remained in his car,
this young homicidal maniac would still be alive

Stop being an idiot, David.

Had George Zimmerman remained in his car, this young homicide victim would still be alive.

http://thejosevilson.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/trayvonmartinwithdad.jpg
BillRM
 
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Tue 3 Sep, 2013 03:52 am
@OmSigDAVID,
We all can be happy that the person who happen to had annoyed Trayvon enough to be the subject of his attacked was an armed Zimmerman instead one of the posters here that do not believe in carrying firearms.

If i had been Frank or Firefly instead of just a dead hoodlum we would have had one dead member of this website and Trayvon locked up for hopefully the remainder of his life,

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firefly
 
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Tue 3 Sep, 2013 09:15 am
An Orlando auto group, law firm and black fraternity are among those offering $50,000 as a scholarship to four graduating seniors from Trayvon Martin's high school in Miami-Dade County.

The donors, including the Boyland Auto Group and Invictus Law Group, are to present the money to the Trayvon Martin Foundation and his parents Saturday in Isleworth.

The money goes to the foundation, which will divide it among four 2014 graduating seniors of Dr. Michael M. Krop Senior High School in Miami, where Trayvon was enrolled at the time of his death.

Quote:
Trayvon Foundation Receives $50k for Disadvantaged Students
September 1, 2013
http://esg6rzdhdg9i115s.zippykid.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/Trayvon-Martin-in-hoodie.jpg

The Trayvon Martin Foundation received a $50,000 donation on behalf of community organizations and businesses.

The donation will be awarded to four high school seniors who will receive college scholarships.

Orlando donors Boyland Auto Group, LLC, Invictus Law Group, P.L., Boyz-4-Lyfe, and the brothers of Delta Xi Lambda Chapter of Alpha Phi Alpha Fraternity, Inc. all contributed towards the donation.

According to a press release, the scholarship were given in memory of Trayvon Martin to help disadvantaged students.

The scholarships will be given out in Spring 2014.

“The purpose of this scholarship is to bridge the socio-economic gap among young people of color in the U.S., through educational opportunities for disadvantaged students who cannot afford a college education,” said the CEO of Boyland Auto Group, Dorian S. Boyland.

“We are doing what we can to make the world a better place by not being divisive but by uplifting our community through educational opportunities for kids who otherwise, would not have the same opportunity.”

The four Orlando-based businesses and organizations who helped contribute to the donation are each established and led by African-American men who are dedicated to uplifting their communities, reads the release.

It says, “These men want to make a positive difference in this tragic situation by contributing to the lives of young people through the Trayvon Martin Foundation.”
http://www.eurweb.com/2013/09/trayvon-foundation-receives-50k-donation-for-disadvantaged-students/
revelette
 
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Tue 3 Sep, 2013 11:02 am
@firefly,
That is some good news for a change.
cicerone imposter
 
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Tue 3 Sep, 2013 11:08 am
@revelette,
I'm just wondering when the George Zimmerman Scholarship Foundation will begin to give scholarships to the needy? After all, he has so many supporters on a2k. (sneer)
parados
 
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Tue 3 Sep, 2013 11:17 am
@BillRM,
Zimmerman isn't a hoodlum because charges were dropped but Martin is a hoodlum because he was never charged with a crime? Your standards are suspect Bill.
firefly
 
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Tue 3 Sep, 2013 11:42 am
@cicerone imposter,
Quote:
I'm just wondering when the George Zimmerman Scholarship Foundation will begin to give scholarships to the needy?

While Trayvon Martin's parents have conducted themselves with dignity and grace and class, and have taken positive steps to associate their son's name and memory with causes to benefit others, the same cannot be said of Zimmerman's family.

Zimmerman's father has been busy denying the reality of racism and further promoting racial divisiveness and hostility by attacking black organizations. And this is supposed to convince people that race was not a factor in the homicide his son committed, or that the Zimmerman's don't hold racist attitudes? Rolling Eyes It's easy to see why the apple doesn't fall far from the tree in that family...
http://thinkprogress.org/media/2013/06/14/2162501/george-zimmermans-father-says-the-true-racists-are-all-african-american/
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BillRM
 
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Tue 3 Sep, 2013 11:44 am
@parados,
Zimmerman is not a hoodlum because he did not live his life as a hoodlum but as a solid middle class person who care about his community.

No one found women jewelry on him that he would not explain or far as I know he never got kicked out of high school, or brag about his ability to fight and so on.

He is not a hoodlum as he took the time to mentor children including black children and when a homeland black man did not get justice after being beaten up by the son of a police officer he rally the community over the matter.

An he spend thousand of hours over years of his own time helping protected his community/neighbors from the like of Trayvon looking to add to his collection of women jewelry.

firefly
 
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Tue 3 Sep, 2013 11:51 am
@BillRM,
Nothing like listening to one asshole trying to defend another...

http://www.adrants.com/images/head_up_ass.jpg
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parados
 
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Tue 3 Sep, 2013 04:32 pm
@BillRM,
But you turn around and forget that Zimmerman was charged with several crimes and also had a restraining order brought against him. Meanwhile Martin never had any criminal charges brought against him nor any restraining orders.
Zimmerman was found to have been aggressive and Martin just bragged about it.

Simple question Bill. If one person has had no run ins with the law and another has had more than one run and and a restraining order which would you think is more likely to be a hoodlum?
RABEL222
 
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Tue 3 Sep, 2013 04:37 pm
@parados,
I am sure that Bill has more in common with a breaker of the law police attacking lawbreaker than a 17 year black kid.
Frank Apisa
 
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Tue 3 Sep, 2013 04:41 pm
@parados,
parados wrote:

But you turn around and forget that Zimmerman was charged with several crimes and also had a restraining order brought against him. Meanwhile Martin never had any criminal charges brought against him nor any restraining orders.
Zimmerman was found to have been aggressive and Martin just bragged about it.

Simple question Bill. If one person has had no run ins with the law and another has had more than one run and and a restraining order which would you think is more likely to be a hoodlum?


Bill just cannot answer that honestly, because he wants a shooter like Zimmerman to be right and moral no matter what.

Some day...he may be the guy doing the shooting.

They stick together.
BillRM
 
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Tue 3 Sep, 2013 05:01 pm
@Frank Apisa,
Restraining orders does not even imply bad behaviors more then likely just the someone had picked a wrong partner.

I am not the only one that had found that out for him or herself over the years the hard way.

Second, as been pointed out over and over Trayvon was a minor so who know what criminal charges he might had been charge with.

That is one of many reasons I would love to see a civil suit.

Yes, Zimmerman was charge with murder and found innocent and he was charge with assaulting a police officer and all charges was drop due to them not having any foundation.

None of this have any bearing on him not being an outstanding citizen.

On the other hand there is the little matter of child porn being on poor dead Trayvon cell phone oh sorry just naked pictures of underage females that the state for some strange reason hided finding from Zimmerman defense team.
BillRM
 
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Tue 3 Sep, 2013 05:09 pm
@RABEL222,
Quote:
I am sure that Bill has more in common with a breaker of the law police attacking lawbreaker than a 17 year black kid.


I would hope I have more in common with Zimmerman then Trayvon and take note one more time for those who are not all that bright Zimmerman had no convictions of any kind.

Oh I know you people would like to forget that Zimmerman is of mixed blood and is about as white as our President.

I do not have pictures of naked underage females or males for that matter that Trayvon had no matter what Firefly had try to claims when I had dare to disagree with her over the length such misdeeds called for.

By the way Firefly I am surprise to see you defending someone with child porn on his phone character even if the state was not willing to label those pictures child porn and try to hide their very existed from the defense.
 

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