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The State of Florida vs George Zimmerman: The Trial

 
 
parados
 
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Tue 3 Sep, 2013 05:12 pm
@BillRM,
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Restraining orders does not even imply bad behaviors more then likely just the someone had picked a wrong partner.

I see.. but women's jewellery does imply bad behaviour? How idiotic can you get Bill? Courts rule on restraining orders. Zimmerman didn't fight it so one could just as easily assume that the girlfriend's claims were true. In fact the majority of restraining orders probably have a basis in threats.

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Second, as been pointed out over and over Trayvon was a minor so who know what criminal charges he might had been charge with.
With Martin's death his records would no longer be sealed so go ahead and tell us about them Bill.

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he was charge with assaulting a police officer and all charges was drop due to them not having any foundation.
NO, that's not true Bill. The charges were waived when Zimmerman entered an alcohol education program. That means they could have been reintroduced if he hadn't completed the program.

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None of this have any bearing on him not being an outstanding citizen.
Right, because you can nitpick Martin's past and claim he isn't an outstanding citizen but we have to ignore Zimmerman's past problems because you say so.
parados
 
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Tue 3 Sep, 2013 05:14 pm
@BillRM,
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I would hope I have more in common with Zimmerman then Trayvon and take note one more time for those who are not all that bright Zimmerman had no convictions of any kind.

Gosh Bill, Martin had no convictions of any kind so your argument would have to work both ways unless you don't use the same standard for both of them.
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parados
 
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Tue 3 Sep, 2013 05:15 pm
@BillRM,
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By the way Firefly I am surprise to see you defending someone with child porn on his phone

I see Bill, so now you are the one that decides what pictures are porn. When did you see those pictures? On what basis did you rule them porn? Because they sexually excited you?
BillRM
 
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Tue 3 Sep, 2013 05:18 pm
@parados,
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I see.. but women's jewellery does imply bad behaviour?


Sure does when it is a teenage male that have the jewelry and would not tell school security why he had them other then he was holding them for some strange reason for someone else that he would not name.

The school security feel that way at least.
BillRM
 
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Tue 3 Sep, 2013 05:34 pm
@parados,
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Zimmerman didn't fight it so one could just as easily assume that the girlfriend's claims were true.


I did not fight mine either and I was the only one hit in that marriage and in front of three witnesses beside the last time, as my lawyer at the time told me not to bother doing so and second you are forgetting for some strange reason that in the case of Zimmerman the court granted both of them restraining orders not just his wife against him.

By the way, I was strangely very grateful to my then wife when I found that she was willing to lied under oath in such a manner as it ended any regrets of mine for being the first person in my family line to have file for a divorce.

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The charges were waived when Zimmerman entered an alcohol education program.


Interesting claim now how about giving a link to this claim?

parados
 
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Tue 3 Sep, 2013 05:46 pm
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:

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I see.. but women's jewellery does imply bad behaviour?


Sure does when it is a teenage male that have the jewelry and would not tell school security why he had them other then he was holding them for some strange reason for someone else that he would not name.

The school security feel that way at least.

Gee.. and when Zimmerman interfered with a police officer the police officer felt he committed a crime so using your logic Zimmerman is a hoodlum.
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parados
 
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Tue 3 Sep, 2013 05:51 pm
@BillRM,
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I did not fight mine either and I was the only one hit in that marriage and in front of three witnesses beside the last time

Right Bill. Of course you didn't ever abuse her. Rolling Eyes
I notice that you think your denial is proof you didn't do something but Martin's denial is proof he did. Why are you using a different standard?


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Interesting claim now how about giving a link to this claim?


http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-partisan/wp/2013/05/28/george-zimmermans-relevant-past/
http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/03/27/10894561-zimmerman-accused-of-domestic-violence-fighting-with-a-police-officer?lite

Now I would love to see your link that shows the charges were "dropped." I'm guessing you won't have one but I thought I might as well ask.
BillRM
 
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Tue 3 Sep, 2013 05:54 pm
@parados,
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I see Bill, so now you are the one that decides what pictures are porn. When did you see those pictures? On what basis did you rule them porn? Because they sexually excited you?


LOL now why do you not try to have naked underage females pictures on your phone and then turn said phone in at the police station.......

What to bet that you will not be allowed to leave the station?

Of course in the case of Trayvon they was innocent pictures that for some strange reason the prosecutor hid the very existence of from the defense and when a state employee reveal their existence to the courts he was fired for doing so.
BillRM
 
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Tue 3 Sep, 2013 05:56 pm
@parados,
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Right Bill. Of course you didn't ever abuse her. Rolling Eyes


Sorry did not even used nasty words toward her let alone hit her in any manner.

firefly
 
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Tue 3 Sep, 2013 06:33 pm
@BillRM,
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Sorry did not even used nasty words toward her let alone hit her in any manner.

Right, your wife was a drug addict and a thief, and you had trouble getting her out of your house, but you want people to believe you never abused her--"did not even used nasty words toward her"? Rolling Eyes Do you have a bridge for sale in Brooklyn too?

If you didn't abuse her, you would have appeared in court to defend yourself.
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firefly
 
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Tue 3 Sep, 2013 06:54 pm
@BillRM,
No pictures on Trayvon Martin's phone were at all relevant to why he was killed by George Zimmerman. They were not admissible as evidence. Why are you so obsessed with them?

Are you quite sure George Zimmerman is an "outstanding citizen"?

The same Zimmerman whose cousin has accused him of sexually molesting her. The same Zimmerman whose former fiancée got a restraining order against him for abuse and stalking her. The same Zimmerman who assaulted a cop and who was court-ordered to take anger management classes. The same Zimmerman whose current wife just said she always has a fear in the back of her mind that he might become violent toward her...

And the same George Zimmerman who engaged in an elaborate scheme to conceal assets and a second passport from a judge--the same deceptive brazen liar who let his wife take a perjury rap for him, and who had a judge declare that he had no regard for the truth or the justice system.

Zimmerman not only sounds like a hoodlum, he also sounds like a sociopath.
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firefly
 
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Tue 3 Sep, 2013 07:23 pm
@BillRM,
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Sure does when it is a teenage male that have the jewelry and would not tell school security why he had them other then he was holding them for some strange reason for someone else that he would not name

If you had had any friends when you were 16, you'd know that when a friend asks you to do something, like hold something for them, you do it, and you don't reveal who it belongs to if someone asks you. But, having been a loser, without friends, you wouldn't know that.

No one ever said the jewelry was stolen. That's nothing but rumor. And it would be very strange for a stash of stolen jewelry to be mainly plain wedding bands--and that's how that jewelry was described. Who knows, or cares, what that weird collection of mainly wedding bands was about.

The worst you could say about Trayvon Martin is that he was likely a loyal friend. Someone asked him to hold something for them, and he did.

Trayvon Martin had no criminal or arrest record of any kind. That's why they couldn't identify his body immediately--he had no fingerprints on file.

Trayvon Martin never got into trouble for getting into fights.

Trayvon Martin wasn't a trouble-maker in school or in his community. The worst thing he seems to have done was write "WTF" on a school locker--once. Wow! that's really heavy-duty criminal stuff. Laughing

It was Zimmerman, the hoodlum, who had run-ins with the law, problems with his aggressive impulses, and who demonstrated his sociopathic untrustworthiness by his lying and concealing evidence from a judge.

And he was so out-of-control, and using such bad judgment, his first lawyers in his murder case dumped him.

And he's going to self-destruct one way or the other. He provokes people and he's got lousy judgment and poor impulse control. Either he'll provoke someone into doing something to him, or he'll do something to himself, but I don't see him as enjoying freedom or life for very long. Either he will wind up in jail, or he'll wind up dead at an early age.




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roger
 
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Tue 3 Sep, 2013 07:25 pm
@parados,
But charges were not dropped. He went to trial and was found not guilty. Also, dead people are hardly ever charged and tried.
BillRM
 
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Tue 3 Sep, 2013 07:33 pm
An amusing little fact..........

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http://www.thesmokinggun.com/buster/george-zimmerman-lie-detector-421395

George Zimmerman Passed Police Lie Detector Test Day After Trayvon Martin Killing
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A day after killing Trayvon Martin, George Zimmerman passed a police lie detector test when asked if he confronted the teenager and whether he feared for his life “when you shot the guy,” according to documents released today by Florida prosecutors.

According to a “confidential report” prepared by the Sanford Police Department, Zimmerman, 28, willingly submitted to a computer voice stress analyzer (CVSA) “truth verification” on February 27. Investigators concluded that he “has told substantially the complete truth in regards to this examination.”

Zimmerman, the report noted, “was classified as No Deception Indicated (NDI).”

Along with questions about whether his first name was George and if it was Monday, Zimmerman was asked, “Did you confront the guy you shot?’ He answered, “No.” He was also asked, “Were you in fear for your life, when you shot the guy.” Zimmerman replied, “Yes.”

Before the CVSA test, Zimmerman--who was apparently not accompanied by legal counsel--signed a Sanford Police Department release stating that he was undergoing the examination “voluntarily, without duress, coercion, threat or promise.”

The lie detector test was requested by Chris Serino, a homicide investigator with the Sanford Police Department.
firefly
 
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Tue 3 Sep, 2013 07:35 pm
@roger,
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He went to trial and was found not guilty

Not on the charge of resisting arrest with violence, and battery of a law enforcement officer.

He went into a pretrial diversion program, and had to take alcohol education and anger management classes in order to get the charges first lowered and then dismissed.
firefly
 
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Tue 3 Sep, 2013 07:42 pm
@BillRM,
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An amusing little fact..........

Nothing about the unnecessary death of an innocent unarmed child is amusing...

There's a reason that lie detectors aren't admissible in court--they aren't that reliable.

Zimmerman, the sociopath, is such an accomplished liar, that he could beat a lie detector test.

I don't doubt Zimmerman feared for his life--that doesn't mean the fear was reasonable or rational. His injuries were so minor they didn't even require Band-Aids or any medical treatment, either that night, or afterward.

His obsessive need to follow Trayvon Martin that night wasn't reasonable or rational either--and it was against Neighborhood Watch rules, and the advisement of a police dispatcher.

Trayvon Martin had a lot more reason to fear Zimmerman--and to try to defend himself from this creepy stranger who had stalked him in the dark and never identified himself.
roger
 
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Tue 3 Sep, 2013 09:07 pm
@firefly,
My bad. I just made an assumption about what we were all talking about, especially since what I replied to referenced Martin as well as Zimmerman.
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parados
 
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Wed 4 Sep, 2013 07:07 am
@BillRM,
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LOL now why do you not try to have naked underage females pictures on your phone and then turn said phone in at the police station.......

Sure Bill, deflect from how you know they were porn. I can find instances of naked pictures of underage females and it wasn't considered porn. Now, tell us how you know those pictures on the phone were porn. Did you see them? On what basis did you rule them porn? Did they sexually excite you?
parados
 
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Wed 4 Sep, 2013 07:08 am
@roger,
roger wrote:

But charges were not dropped. He went to trial and was found not guilty. Also, dead people are hardly ever charged and tried.

Zimmerman was charged in 2005 with attacking a police officer. Charges were reduced and then waived when Zimmerman entered an alcohol awareness program.
BillRM
 
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Wed 4 Sep, 2013 08:53 am
@parados,
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Zimmerman was charged in 2005 with attacking a police officer. Charges were reduced and then waived when Zimmerman entered an alcohol awareness program.


Take note another cop was shot and killed doing the same thing within months of Zimmerman arrested, when other law enforcement officers did not know he was an officer.

If the police was so damn careless that they did not know who their own happen to be and as a result killed one of their own officers how is Zimmerman supposed to have guess that the person in plain cloth that were roughly handling a friend happen to be a cop?

Seems that Zimmerman have no reason to assume that the person assaulting a friend was law enforcement.

Aiding a friend being assaulted seems to go along with his fine character of getting involved.

Too bad the police department involved did take a lesson from Zimmerman not knowing one of their people was a cop and change their procedures so a few months later they did not have another cop killed for the same reason.
 

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