The State of Florida vs George Zimmerman: The Trial

@McGentrix,

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Yes. You and I and most others agree that Trayvon was a thug and a hoodlum looking for trouble.

But this kid never got into trouble in the community. He had no history of harming or hurting or being aggressive with anyone.

The one with that kind of background was George Zimmerman:

1. His former fiancée got a restraining order against him for domestic violence

2. He was arrested for assaulting a law enforcement office

3. He was fired from a part-time job as a party security person for being too aggressive.

4. His cousin has accused him of sexually molesting her for a period of 10 years, beginning when she was 6 years old.

5. His wife currently has fears in the back of her mind that he might become violent toward her.

6. He's an untrustworthy, deceitful, brazen liar who devised an elaborate scheme to conceal evidence so he could manipulate the decision of a judge in a court of law.

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They just can't come to terms with the fact that not everyone is a good person.

You are obviously talking about yourself, and BillRM, and the others who can't deal with the reality of what George Zimmerman is really like. He's got a rather long track record of not being "a good person."

Trayvon Martin was a saint compared to George Zimmerman.

Since when does talking on a cell phone, as you're meandering home from a store, constitute "looking for trouble'?

The one "looking for trouble that night" was an emotionally disturbed adult, with poor judgment and self-control, who couldn't even abide by the simple rules of being a Neighborhood Watch volunteer, and who needlessly stalked an innocent kid in the dark, never identified himself, and wound up killing this unarmed child who had been minding his own business until Zimmerman began recklessly pursuing and menacing him.

Instead of constructing fantasies about a barely 17 year old middle class high school junior, with no history of anti-social, or criminal, or trouble-making, or aggressive, behavior in his community, take a realistic look at George Zimmerman, and his all too real past history of anti-social, criminal, and aggressive behaviors, if you can connect to reality long enough to do that.

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@firefly,

the storyline goes that two troubled males met and one ended up dead. very sad. however according to the law this was a good shoot, so any attempt to punish zimmerman in a courtroom was abuse at the hands of the state.

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@hawkeye10,

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the storyline goes that two troubled males met and one ended up dead

No that's not the storyline.

Trayvon Martin wasn't "troubled" he was a rather happy kid whose English teacher said he "majored in cheerfulness." He had a loving family, a comfortable life, he planned on going to college after high school, just like his brother, and was known as a rather easy-going person.

He was in a new school he just transferred into in his junior year, and he was suspended three times, all for things that were relatively minor--he played hooky one day and got caught doing it, he wrote "WTF" on a school locker, and he had an empty baggie with a trace of pot--those were the 3 suspensions. None of them for doing anything outrageous, or really beyond the norm for a 16 year old. Nothing to suggest a "troubled" teen. He just needed to settle down a little, and one reason his father had taken him to stay at that gated community with him was so he could "talk some sense into him" during his last suspension--Trayvon's parents were acting like responsible parents.

Outside of school, Trayvon Martin wasn't getting into trouble. He didn't have problems in the community. He didn't have problems getting along with people, either peers or adults. He had a good relationship with his parents. He had friends he yakked with on the phone and through the social media, he enjoyed listening to music, watching sports, going to the movies--all normal teen stuff-- and there is no indication he had any mood problems, or anything t0 indicate he was "troubled"--he seemed to be enjoying his life.

Zimmerman, who was seeing a psychologist at the time of the shooting, and was on some medication, had problems in his marriage, was in considerable debt, had a past history that included not only aggressive behaviors but threats of suicide on his part, and he could more legitimately be considered "troubled".

And these two males didn't exactly just "meet". They came together only because one of them had rather recklessly pursued the other, in the dark, disregarding the rules for a Neighborhood Watch, which forced an unnecessary confrontation that resulted in a totally needless and avoidable death.

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however according to the law this was a good shoot, so any attempt to punish zimmerman in a courtroom was abuse at the hands of the state.

Cut the "abuse" crap. Only after the verdict was Zimmerman's behavior determined to be non-criminal. Holding him accountable for killing someone, who was unarmed, was a perfectly legitimate action on the part of the state. On the night of this shooting, the police report classified this as an "unnecessary" death--and they wanted him charged with manslaughter.

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@hawkeye10,

An now we have a petition calling for another trial of Zimmerman at the federal level where I had not hear one legal expert stating that he or she feel it could be justify under any legal theory.

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@firefly,

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Yes. You and I and most others agree that Trayvon was a thug and a hoodlum looking for trouble.

But this kid never got into trouble in the community. He had no history of harming or hurting or being aggressive with anyone.

The one with that kind of background was George Zimmerman:

1. His former fiancée got a restraining order against him for domestic violence

2. He was arrested for assaulting a law enforcement office

3. He was fired from a part-time job as a party security person for being too aggressive.

4. His cousin has accused him of sexually molesting her for a period of 10 years, beginning when she was 6 years old.

5. His wife currently has fears in the back of her mind that he might become violent toward her.

6. He's an untrustworthy, deceitful, brazen liar who devised an elaborate scheme to conceal evidence so he could manipulate the decision of a judge in a court of law.

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They just can't come to terms with the fact that not everyone is a good person.

You are obviously talking about yourself, and BillRM, and the others who can't deal with the reality of what George Zimmerman is really like. He's got a rather long track record of not being "a good person."

Trayvon Martin was a saint compared to George Zimmerman.

Since when does talking on a cell phone, as you're meandering home from a store, constitute "looking for trouble'?

The one "looking for trouble that night" was an emotionally disturbed adult, with poor judgment and self-control, who couldn't even abide by the simple rules of being a Neighborhood Watch volunteer, and who needlessly stalked an innocent kid in the dark, never identified himself, and wound up killing this unarmed child who had been minding his own business until Zimmerman began recklessly pursuing and menacing him.

Instead of constructing fantasies about a barely 17 year old middle class high school junior, with no history of anti-social, or criminal, or trouble-making, or aggressive, behavior in his community, take a realistic look at George Zimmerman, and his all too real past history of anti-social, criminal, and aggressive behaviors, if you can connect to reality long enough to do that.

Thanks for trying, but these guys will never get it. Their anger, fears, and hatreds are too intense for them to get past.

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@Frank Apisa,

if only you could add to the debate, but no, we get your amateur shrink analysis of people you dont know. stick to fantasy football.

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@hawkeye10,

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if only you could add to the debate, but no, we get your amateur shrink analysis of people you dont know. stick to fantasy football.

I do add to the debate...in ways you are not able to appreciate, because of the apparent psychological problems I suggested appear to exist.

The demonization of Trayvon Martin is not the product of logic and reason. It is the result of fear, anger, and hatred. Sorry it bothers you to have that pointed out, but it is something that must be highlighted...hammered home again and again.

I do not do fantasy football.

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@Frank Apisa,

the denomination of Zimmerman has the same problems. Florida should change its laws but Florida law is not Zimmermans fault so leave his name out of it. you can demand that your fellow citizens follow the law, but no more, that is where your rights end...Zimmerman did, he is clean.

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@hawkeye10,

What was Zimmerman nominated for that has since been withdrawn?

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@hawkeye10,

hawkeye10 wrote:

the denomination of Zimmerman has the same problems. Florida should change its laws but Florida law is not Zimmermans fault so leave his name out of it. you can demand that your fellow citizens follow the law, but no more, that is where your rights end...Zimmerman did, he is clean.

I have refrained from demonizing Zimmerman...and in fact have expressed some sympathy for his circumstances.

I do not think much of his defenders...mostly because they unnecessarily demonize Martin to make their case.

Not sure what that "leave his name out of it" was about?

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@Frank Apisa,

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His former fiancée got a restraining order against him for domestic violence

Both of them got restraining orders on each other and he was never arrested let alone charge with domestic violence.

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2. He was arrested for assaulting a law enforcement office

He was arrested for putting his hand of the shoulder of an officer not in uniform at a bar and the charges was drop.

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He was fired from a part-time job as a party security person for being too aggressive.

Like he was aggressive when it came to dragging out members of a family from an overturn car? Love those kind of aggressive people being around when needed.

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4. His cousin has accused him of sexually molesting her for a period of 10 years, beginning when she was 6 years old.

So some reporter claimed however I have never seen any proof of that being true would you care to give a link where this woman directly made such a charge? Given the new media had been willing to lied as in the editing of the 911 tape I would like you to come up with a direct public statement from such a woman.

PS Zimmerman was never found to have child porn on his phone unlike Trayvon......LOL

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5. His wife currently has fears in the back of her mind that he might become violent toward her.

Bullshit please link to where she stated that she fear physical harm from her husband not that her fear or not have any connections to reality if he never been violence toward her.

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6. He's an untrustworthy, deceitful, brazen liar who devised an elaborate scheme to conceal evidence so he could manipulate the decision of a judge in a court of law.

LOL are you talking about Zimmerman or the prosecutor who illegally withheld evidence from Zimmerman lawyers and when an employee of her revealed this evidence in open court she fired him?

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@BillRM,

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His former fiancée got a restraining order against him for domestic violence

Both of them got restraining orders on each other and he was never arrested let alone charge with domestic violence.

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2. He was arrested for assaulting a law enforcement office

He was arrested for putting his hand of the shoulder of an officer not in uniform at a bar and the charges was drop.

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He was fired from a part-time job as a party security person for being too aggressive.

Like he was aggressive when it came to dragging out members of a family from an overturn car? Love those kind of aggressive people being around when needed.

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4. His cousin has accused him of sexually molesting her for a period of 10 years, beginning when she was 6 years old.

So some reporter claimed however I have never seen any proof of that being true would you care to give a link where this woman directly made such a charge? Given the new media had been willing to lied as in the editing of the 911 tape I would like you to come up with a direct public statement from such a woman.

PS Zimmerman was never found to have child porn on his phone unlike Trayvon......LOL

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5. His wife currently has fears in the back of her mind that he might become violent toward her.

Bullshit please link to where she stated that she fear physical harm from her husband not that her fear or not have any connections to reality if he never been violence toward her.

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6. He's an untrustworthy, deceitful, brazen liar who devised an elaborate scheme to conceal evidence so he could manipulate the decision of a judge in a court of law.

LOL are you talking about Zimmerman or the prosecutor who illegally withheld evidence from Zimmerman lawyers and when an employee of her revealed this evidence in open court she fired him?

WHY are you addressing these questions to me????

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@Frank Apisa,

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4. His cousin has accused him of sexually molesting her for a period of 10 years, beginning when she was 6 years old.

I research this nonsense and found this was supposed to have started when he was eight and she was six!!!!!!!!

My lord an eight year old child molester................

Hmm I now need to be concern that the former neighbor girl will come out of the wood worth and charge me with child molesting when we played doctor in 1955 or so?

Of course it was Peggy who led me into her parent garage so maybe I could charge her with child molesting.

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@Frank Apisa,

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WHY are you addressing these questions to me????

Because I do not bother to read Firefly postings any longer and you reposted her nonsense in whole.

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@BillRM,

BillRM wrote:

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WHY are you addressing these questions to me????

Because I do not bother to read Firefly postings any longer and you reposted her nonsense in whole.

If you want to address that stuff to Firefly...do so.

I did not agree with everything she said...nor the way she said it.

I complimented her for trying to talk some sense into you and a few others here...despite the fact that it is almost impossible to get past the problems that are blinding you.

For the record, I have often reposted your nonsense in whole. I doubt anyone with any sense of balance would consider that reason to question me about what you said.

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@Frank Apisa,

Sorry but I am now too concern that Peggy will charge me with child molesting in 1955 to address your concerns................LOL

That how silly the fireflies of the world are getting calling the playing around of an eight years old and a 6 years old child molesting.

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@BillRM,

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That how silly the fireflies of the world are getting calling the playing around of an eight years old and a 6 years old child molesting.

No, it was not play, George Zimmerman was sexually molesting his cousin, according to her accusation, and it went on for 10 years.

Child on child sexual abuse is quite real, and also different from the normal play behavior of children. Some perpetrators have been as young as 4 years old.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child-on-child_sexual_abuse

There is nothing remotely amusing about the sexual abuse of children, not when it is done by adults, and not when it is done by other children. That you seem to find this topic amusing, reveals just how perverse you are. Considering that you were asked to leave a public park because other adults, after watching your interactions with young children, profiled you as a possible pedophile, and took action to get you out of there --and that was relatively recently, not way back in childhood when you were fooling around with Peggy in the garage. The adults in that park were appropriately concerned about the sexual abuse of children, an issue that doesn't seem to concern you because you'd rather deny the reality of child on child sexual abuse than acknowledge that George Zimmerman may well have molested his cousin--for a decade.

Zimmerman's wife is a lot more realistic in looking at George than you are--she's just said, this week, that the fear he might become violent toward her is always in the back of her mind.

So, try to deny all you want, BillRM, Shellie knows George a lot better than you do, and she's much more realistic about his capacity for violence and abuse than you are...

And, when you say that Zimmerman was arrested for putting his hand on a cop's shoulder, you are outright lying about matters of fact. He was arrested and charged with violence toward an officer and an assault of an officer.

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•In 2005, Zimmerman, then 20, was arrested and charged with “resisting officer with violence” and “battery of law enforcement officer,” both which are third-degree felonies. The charge was reduced to “resisting officer without violence” and then waived when he entered an alcohol education program.

He was also court-ordered to take anger management classes, as part of a pre-trial diversion program, in order to avoid conviction on the charges of assaulting that officer.

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@firefly,

Sorry dear but we are not dealing with an adult or even a greatly older child grooming a younger child for his or her evil sexual enjoyment.

We are dealing with two children in the same age cohort and it could not have continue into the teenage years without the agreement of both parties and that is assuming it did so continue.

I regret that as a child and then a teenager fooling around with George so it must had been child molesting.

What bullshit.

Another sad example of not holding females to the same standards as males when it come to sexual interactions, either in childhood or adulthood.

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@BillRM,

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We are dealing with two children in the same age cohort

And child on child sexual abuse can, and does, go on between children in the same age range.

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it could not have continue into the teenage years without the agreement of both parties and that is assuming it did so continue

Oh please, now that's complete bullshit. But, you often deny rape or sexual abuse with your, "she really wanted it" crap. Now you're trying to apply it to a child victim.

You are sickening.

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@BillRM,

By the way am I the only one laughing at Firefly with her trying to sell the idea that a 17 years old is a child not a would be murderer and on the other hand an 8 years old is a sexual predator and child molester?

Very very strange and very sick universe that Firefly live in.........

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