The State of Florida vs George Zimmerman: The Trial

Firefly telling the truth you got to be kidding me as she is the soul sister to the person at CBS who edit the 911 tape or the prosecutor who withheld evidence in the case and when one of her employees dare to tell the truth to the court she fired him.

There is a world view that she is more then willing to pound the facts to fit and as needed will make up falsehoods in support of that world view.

We had have three examples of young black men in one case a young man two years younger then Trayvon attacking innocent men for no good reason.

The result was two out of three dead victims and one out of six attackers dead.

With those five young black men life ruins with a large percent of their young lives will be live behind prison bars.

Only the fact that of Zimmerman being armed save his life.

There are a lot of problems that need to be address concerning the young men of the black community but armed non-blacks racist nuts going around killing them is not one of those problems.

By BillRM's standards--graduating from college, being on a career path, having a successful middle class life, Zimmerman was going nowhere in a hurry, even with his allegedly "decent full time job". And he had gone through a succession of jobs.

He hadn't yet, at 28, managed to graduate from a 2 year community college, and, even after getting a 2 year degree in criminal justice, he wouldn't have any particular job skills, or any really enhanced earning potential. He had no "career path". He had already been turned down when he had applied to a police force because they found him an unsuitable applicant, and his history of significant credit problems may have been a factor in that.

Even though they had no children, and lived in a rental apartment in that gated community, both Shellie and George Zimmerman were always in significant debt and plagued by financial problems. Not only was George sued for nonpayment of credit card bills, Shellie Zimmerman was also sued for the same thing a few years later. And, at the time of the shooting, they had a lot of debt--they used money that had been contributed to his legal defense fund, not for the purpose the donors intended, but to pay off credit card bills, phone bills, etc.

And the day before the shooting, his wife had walked out on him and gone to stay in her father's house.

His marriage was in trouble, and, if it hadn't been for the shooting, his wife might not have gone back with him. She clearly is unsure right now that the marriage will continue. And, although she says that he never physically abused or harmed her, she says that fear was always in the back of her mind, particularly while he was awaiting trial. She knows he has the potential for violence--and he has landed in court for that before.

So, by the age of 28, he hadn't even finished 2 years of college, he never earned enough to stay out of significant debt, and his future prospects for being able to do that didn't look good, and his marriage was on shaky ground. And the job he did have wasn't in a field that really interested him.

Yup, that's going nowhere, particularly by the kind of standards BillRM uses to judge success.

TRAYVON MARTIN

So what happened?

Ted Bundy

The sickness evident in the people here who demonize Trayvon Martin is so ugly...it condemns not only those who engage in it, it also says damning things about humanity in general.

Whatever personal tragedies and family failures that caused these people to arrive where they are psychologically must have been overwhelming.

Those of you who do not pity them, in my opinion, do a similar disservice, because no matter how much they may protest otherwise, their lives must be near to unbearable to live. That is why there is so much hatred, anger, and resentment.

I tend to pity the victims more then the criminals and somehow Frank you can not make me feel guilty for feelings that way.

I do feel more for Zimmerman and the world war 2 vet and the foreign tourist then the young men who attacked them.

It is a shame that one black young man is dead and five black young men one as y0ung as 15 lives are ruin but it is far more of a shame that men who had been useful citizens was either killed or harm by them for no good reason and it is is anyone else fault other then Trayvon it would be his parents who did not raised him to be a law abiding citizen instead of a hoodlum what to be.

Nor does it help other young black men to tell them that Trayvon is a victim of racism and self defense laws instead of the truth that he is the victim of his own actions that night.

What's wrong with a kid taking a picture of himself giving the finger?

The fact remains this is a kid who was not exhibiting criminal or anti-social behavior in the community, and there is no evidence he ever did anything to hurt or harm anyone before the night he was killed.

Private photos he took of himself in his bedroom tell you nothing about him except that, when he was alone, he liked to ham it up for the camera and try to look older than he was. And that's normal adolescent behavior.

When I was 16, in the days before cell phone cameras and web cams, my girlfriend and I would go to one of those little photo booths and take all sorts of pictures of ourselves trying to look grown up and cool and mugging for the camera. And teens still do that same sort of stuff, they just have more cameras available.

This is that same kid...

Only "hoodlums" would have a picture taken of them flipping someone off, right?

How about Nelson Rockefeller?

Did Rochefeller ever try to murder someone on the streets or brag about his ability to harm others or got kicked out of school for misbehaving or.........

We all know that Trayvon was at the very very best a hoodlum what to be and you are others and not helping other young black men by trying to turn him into a victim of racism and self defense laws instead of a victim of his own damn behaviors.

You can not begin solving the problems that are costing us all far too many young black men futures by pretending it all due to racism and evil non black men.

"want to be". It hurts my ears when you write "what to be". And it's really more of a "wannabe"

Ok, but come to think of it Trayvon by his actions, had in his last moments of life had earned. the title of full blown hoodlum and from what we know of him he would had been proud of that title.

Yes. You and I and most others agree that Trayvon was a thug and a hoodlum looking for trouble. Don't let the fact that some on A2K want to believe the best of Trayvon in their heart of heart because to do otherwise would go against their belief system. They just can't come to terms with the fact that not everyone is a good person.

I prefer to think of Bill as an aberration.

A dangerous aberration!

True!!!

Strange I had taken note that they are having no problem trying to label Zimmerman as an evil racist with zero foundation for doing so.

It's called atavism.

The power of which should not be underestimated.