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The State of Florida vs George Zimmerman: The Trial

 
 
BillRM
 
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Thu 29 Aug, 2013 01:42 pm
@Frank Apisa,
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None of those things make him a hoodlum.


Oh?????? Well I did not give him the title of a full hoodlum but called him a hoodlum what to be.

Then evidence of stealing, getting kicked out of school, having pictures that is a federal and state felony in and of itself, making or trying to make illegal drugs, trying to get an illegal firearm all sum up to at least a what to be hoodlum.

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Musta been a great place. Were you the only student?


Let see around two hundreds in my class at a guess.

All nice law abiding middle class kids who crimes might be racing, or drinking a beer now and then.

Never even seen weeds until college let alone other drugs.

A friend of mine did get into trouble with his parents for doing damage to their basement when a project of making horse power boasting chemicals went bad causing a few thousand dollars damage and awaking them up in the middle of the night.
BillRM
 
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Thu 29 Aug, 2013 01:46 pm
@cicerone imposter,
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I was never suspended from school, but my report card used to say "c.i. fights too much!" I guess, I was the baddie in grade school.


I got in a few fights in grade school or more correctly on walking home from grade school however by junior high school way way way before I turn 17 that was in the past.

A grade schooler is a child a 17 years old teenager is not a child.
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Frank Apisa
 
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Thu 29 Aug, 2013 01:52 pm
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:

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None of those things make him a hoodlum.


Oh?????? Well I did not give him the title of a full hoodlum but called him a hoodlum what to be.


You did call him a "hoodlum" (several times)...and it is want-to-be or wanna-be...not "what to be."

Try to think about what you are writing...and try to improve.

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Then evidence of stealing, getting kicked out of school, having pictures that is a federal and state felony in and of itself, making or trying to make illegal drugs, trying to get an illegal firearm all sum up to at least a what to be hoodlum.


No...actually it doesn't. But your hysteria does seem to indicate that you have serious problems that you should be working on rather than on trying to demonize a young dead man.



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Musta been a great place. Were you the only student?


Let see around two hundreds in my class at a guess.


Okay...a reasonably small school

I went to an even smaller school...in a very, very nice neighborhood (and this was back in the 1950's)...and we had kids expelled...and disciplined in other ways.

I was...but I did not turn out to be a hoodlum.



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All nice law abiding middle class kids who crimes might be racing, or drinking a beer now and then.

Never even seen weeds until college let alone other drugs.


Things are different now...and perhaps Trayvon went to a school that did not have as many saints as your school apparently did. Perhaps you could get out of your hatred mode long enough to take that into account.

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A friend of mine did get into trouble with his parents for doing damage to their basement when a project of making horse power boasting chemicals went bad causing a few thousand dollars damage and awaking them up in the middle of the night.


Interesting. I am glad you were a paragon of virtue, though. Although, as I said above, if you were to abandon the hatred mode long enough to take other factors into account...you might re-attain that sainthood you have apparently shed.
BillRM
 
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Thu 29 Aug, 2013 01:59 pm
@Frank Apisa,
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No...actually it doesn't. But your hysteria does seem to indicate that you have serious problems that you should be working on rather than on trying to demonize a young dead man.


LOL how many felonies and lessor crimes does someone need to do or try to do before you give him the title of hoodlum?

My lord you have one hell of a high threshold for what is a young hoodlum or at least a hoodlum what to be should be consider.

What circle of hell did your high school sit in to produce such a high threshold in your mind?
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RABEL222
 
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Thu 29 Aug, 2013 02:04 pm
@Frank Apisa,
I think Bill is showing signs of dementia. If I were he, I would talk to my doctor to see if I could get some help. The first thing that goes is memory.
McGentrix
 
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Thu 29 Aug, 2013 02:04 pm
@Frank Apisa,
You have me curious now Frank. What is your definition of a hoodlum and how does one become a hoodlum in your world?
Frank Apisa
 
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Thu 29 Aug, 2013 02:10 pm
@McGentrix,
McGentrix wrote:

You have me curious now Frank. What is your definition of a hoodlum and how does one become a hoodlum in your world?


Well...certainly more than a young man who is walking through a community where he has every right to be...and who has iced tea and treats...and is talking on a phone to a friend.

The other stuff that seems to have such high meaning for the mean-spirited among us...may be nothing more than the kind of bragging and trash talking that peer pressure often brings to bear.
parados
 
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Thu 29 Aug, 2013 02:20 pm
@Frank Apisa,
I wonder about that bragging too and how it makes someone a hoodlum. I don't know too many teenage males that haven't expounded at one point or another on how they could kick someone's ass given the chance.


For all the bragging here about how guns make some of these people safe I wonder why that doesn't make people like oralloy, OMSigDavid, Bill etc all hoodlums. Certainly taken out of context it seems to meet Bill's hoodlum standard.
Frank Apisa
 
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Thu 29 Aug, 2013 02:27 pm
@parados,
parados wrote:

I wonder about that bragging too and how it makes someone a hoodlum. I don't know too many teenage males that haven't expounded at one point or another on how they could kick someone's ass given the chance.


For all the bragging here about how guns make some of these people safe I wonder why that doesn't make people like oralloy, OMSigDavid, Bill etc all hoodlums. Certainly taken out of context it seems to meet Bill's hoodlum standard.


Quite right, Parados.

And it would seem to me a better case could be made for characterizing George Zimmerman as a hoodlum...than Trayvon Martin. One a teenager...acting out teenager stuff...the other an adult acting out childish nonsense.

I am not characterizing Zimmerman as a hoodlum, but simply making the point that if compelled to choose which of the two seems more "hoodlum" to me...I would point to Zimmerman every time.
firefly
 
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Thu 29 Aug, 2013 02:57 pm
@BillRM,
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Then evidence of stealing, getting kicked out of school, having pictures that is a federal and state felony in and of itself, making or trying to make illegal drugs, trying to get an illegal firearm all sum up to at least a what to be hoodlum.

You get further and further from any connection to reality.

Trayvon Martin was never in trouble for any criminal or anti-social activity in his community. And the same cannot be said of George Zimmerman.

He was suspended from his new high school three times--once for tardiness, once for writing "WTF" on a school locker, and once for possession of an empty baggie with a trace of marijuana--none of which were particularly serious, and his parents were dealing with these matters.

But he was not a disruptive influence in school, he was not aggressive, or defiant, or failing to do his schoolwork. There is no evidence he ever stole anything, or had anything to do with concocting illegal drugs, or that he was really trying to get an illegal firearm. This wasn't an anti-social ghetto kid, as your fantasies are trying to portray him. He was a middle class teen, from a good family, who planned on going to college, just like his older brother.

By no stretch was this kid a "hoodlum" or a "thug".

He was a barely 17 year old who wasn't displaying anything really out of the ordinary for a high school junior who might have been going through some normal adolescent adjustment problems. Absolutely nothing this kid did was harmful, in any way, to anyone else.

And this child did absolutely nothing wrong that justified George Zimmerman stalking him through a darkened gated community, where Trayvon Martin had a perfect right to be.

You can't defend Zimmerman's unreasonable actions in stalking this child, so you pathetically resort to trying to demonize an innocent kid who was doing nothing more than walking around talking on a cell phone.

Zimmerman disregarded the rules of a neighborhood watch, Zimmerman disregarded the advisement of a police dispatcher, Zimmerman disregarded good judgment, common sense, and the welfare of Trayvon Martin, when he chose to stalk this child in the dark. Why would an adult even act in such an irrational way? And, when Zimmerman finally confronted this child, why didn't he even identify himself? WHY WAS ZIMMERMAN SO RECKLESS IN HIS ACTIONS THAT NIGHT? WHY DID HE SHOW SO LITTLE SELF CONTROL AND COMMON SENSE?

If you really want to defend Zimmerman, you better stop vilifying his victim, because that doesn't help to explain the fact that Zimmerman was the one acting inappropriately that night, and it was his behavior that created the conditions for a tragedy and a totally needless and avoidable death. Had he not recklessly intruded himself into the life of an innocent child, that child would have made it home unharmed.

And nothing you dream up about Martin will change that fact. Zimmerman's behavior caused the death of an innocent unarmed child, he had erroneously profiled, because George Zimmerman couldn't control himself well enough to even remain in his car.


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BillRM
 
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Thu 29 Aug, 2013 02:58 pm
@Frank Apisa,
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The other stuff that seems to have such high meaning for the mean-spirited among us...may be nothing more than the kind of bragging and trash talking that peer pressure often brings to bear.


The other stuff was found on his computer and his cell phone including what is consider child porn and of course the school records of him being found with jewelry and being kicked out of school a number of times.

Oh and a picture of a gun and more jewelry on a bed in his phone.
BillRM
 
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Thu 29 Aug, 2013 03:05 pm
@parados,
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teenage males that haven't expounded at one point or another on how they could kick someone's ass given the chance.


Strange not me or my circle of friends in my teenage years..........

How fast our cars would go or how far we gotten with some young lady but not bragging about beating people up.

Hell some of us even bragged about our grades..,,,,,,,,shame on us.
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firefly
 
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Thu 29 Aug, 2013 03:05 pm
@BillRM,
http://www.adrants.com/images/head_up_ass.jpg
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firefly
 
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Thu 29 Aug, 2013 03:11 pm
@RABEL222,
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I think Bill is showing signs of dementia. If I were he, I would talk to my doctor to see if I could get some help. The first thing that goes is memory.

You may be right.

He perseverates, and repeats the same things over and over, which is also a sign of cognitive impairment and brain injury. As you note, his memory is poor. And he has marked difficulty separating reality from fantasy. He also confabulates, and confuses and fabricates things, because his memory is bad.

He should take your advice and see a doctor--a neurologist.
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BillRM
 
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Thu 29 Aug, 2013 03:17 pm
@Frank Apisa,
The very type of bragging he was doing tell you that at best he desire to projected the hoodlum hood image gun and jewelry and street drug manufacturing.

An on the night he attacked Zimmerman he was trying to live up to that image.
cicerone imposter
 
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Thu 29 Aug, 2013 03:19 pm
@BillRM,
You live up to the image of a very sick individual who makes claims not provided during the trial or media. Very sick.
firefly
 
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Thu 29 Aug, 2013 03:19 pm
@BillRM,
http://www.adrants.com/images/head_up_ass.jpg
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firefly
 
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Thu 29 Aug, 2013 03:36 pm
@cicerone imposter,
BillRM is also out of touch with teenage boys, and what they talk to each other about in private, and how they boast and brag and try to act macho, and the current entertainment culture that's beamed at this demographic, which also encourages a lot of this posturing.

It's been a long, long time since BillRM was a teen, and he's never been the father of a teenager.

And he seems to know nothing about black middle class families, so he's drawing on media depictions and stereotypes of ghetto types, and a lot of distortions and lies about Trayvon that were plastered all over the internet by right-wing conservatives who were deliberately trying to assassinate this kid's character and reputation, often by posting photos they claimed were Trayvon, but that actually weren't pictures of Trayvon Martin. And, unfortunately, a lot of this was covertly spearheaded and encouraged by Zimmerman's lawyers, and rather overtly supported by Zimmerman's brother Robert.

And the ferocity with which BillRM promotes phony crap about this kid is just plain sick.

He reveals much more about himself, and his own hostility, and capacity for hate, than anything about Trayvon Martin.
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BillRM
 
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Thu 29 Aug, 2013 04:02 pm
@Frank Apisa,
I been trying to picture how my teenage friends would have reacted if I had done the type of bragging you people seems to think is normal.

How I was able to produce high quality streets drugs, how I was able to beat up someone, how I was going to score an illegal handgun and the amount of jewelry I was able to ripped off for that matter.

Off hand do not think any of the above bragging would had raised my standing with my peers.

Now I did bragged a lot on my forcing my physics instructor to give me a 100 on the final when it was his statement that no one was able to get a 100 on his final tests. The **** of an instructor try to claimed that a water mark on my paper was a decimal point in the wrong place and try only giving me a 99 on the test.

Of course there was other groups in the school that bragged about other things such as how they did playing team sports for example.

The nearest bragging about beating someone up even with that group would be how hard someone tackle another player or how fast someone pin a bigger wrestler.

As far as I know there was no hoodlum subgroup where Trayvon would had fitted in.
firefly
 
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Thu 29 Aug, 2013 04:06 pm
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Shellie Zimmerman Reveals She Had Left George The Night Before the Shooting
By: Sarah Jones
Aug. 29th, 2013

In an interview with ABC, Shellie Zimmerman said that she had left her husband George the night before the shooting. If you don’t know anything about domestic violence statistics, this might not have set off any alarms. But I do, and suddenly the murder of Trayvon Martin makes so much more sense.

Shellie explained that she wasn’t home that February night, “I was staying at my father’s house. We had gotten into an argument the night before, and I left.”

The sure thing that will set an abuser off is when the victim leaves. Domestic violence stats reveal that this is the most dangerous time for a woman living with an abuser. It can be lethal.

So Shellie leaves George and the next night, he’s out on the streets looking for someone else to control and abuse, as a substitute for his wife, whom he can’t control at that moment. Nothing irks an abuser more than having control taken away, even for a moment.

Shellie is still sticking by George’s story about that night, though she admits she can’t speak to what was going through his mind since she was gone.

“That’s just not his way,” Shellie answers in response to a question about whether George profiled Trayvon. But clearly it is his way.

George Zimmerman is a predator. He appears to have both abused his former girlfriend and molested his cousin. These are the actions of a predator. A predator stalks their prey, profiles them to find the one least likely to cause repercussions, and then swoops in for the kill. George Zimmerman has been accused of both domestic violence (by a different partner) and molestation of a young female relative. He was also arrested for two third-degree felonies involving assaulting a police officer.

Defenders claim these are all false allegations, but the statistical likelihood of real false allegations is so low as to render it illogical to assume that both of these allegations, made by different women, are false. There are also allegedly other women who refused to come forward out of fear. And then there’s the police officer assault, which is less likely to fall between the “he said she said” cracks because a male authority figure was the victim of Zimmerman’s rage that time.

Zimmerman chose not to control his rage at the world. It’s likely that he is/was an abuser of his female partners. The cousin identified the Zimmerman family as racist, on top of his fondling of her beginning when she was 6. Six-year-olds are easy targets. Someone who preys on a 6-year-old is a predator.

The profile of an abuser is a person who refuses to take responsibility for their life, their actions, and their feelings. Often they feel victimized by the very people they are victimizing (see Zimmerman demanding an apology from African Americans). They feel powerless and out of control, and instead of doing something productive about it, they find a victim they can abuse so that they can feel powerful and in control. Zimmerman’s spotty “career” history is par for the course of this profile.

A predator will use a combination of violence, economic dependency, verbal abuse and isolation (often asking the victim to lie for them thereby rendering the victim’s credibility worthless, which is handy for the abuser later) to establish and maintain their control.

It’s ironic and yet predictable that Shellie Zimmerman lied for the abusive George Zimmerman, and now she is in more trouble than he.

He did not show up to court for her, even though she was there for him in spite of the fact that their marriage was on the rocks. She couldn’t explain why he didn’t show up, saying that she always wants her husband’s support.

And now their marriage is strained – she wouldn’t say if they are still together or not.

He got what he needed from her, and now she is going to pay for lying for him. She doesn’t seem to see it this way yet, but objectively, I could have written this script based on his profile.

George Zimmerman was acquitted and Shellie Zimmerman pleaded guilty to perjury and got 100 hours of community service and one year’s probation. Ironic?

Shellie offered an apology to Trayvon Martin’s family at the end of the interview, making her the only Zimmerman to express the slightest bit of humanity toward the Martin family. Sociopathy can be earned the hard way.

Zimmerman’s apology at his bail bond hearing doesn’t count for obvious reasons, especially given his claim on TV that he didn’t regret having the gun or chasing Trayvon because it was “god’s plan” and “I am sorry that they buried their child”, which reveals a troubling lack of human emotion served by the verbal distancing — he’s sorry they buried their child, not sorry he shot him — let alone empathy.

“George Zimmerman has beaten down her self-esteem,” interviewer Christi O’Connor told ABCNews.com. Yes, that’s just another sign of a predator when taken together with his other behaviors.

The saddest thing about all of this is that it is all so predictable, just as it is predictable that George Zimmerman is not finished preying on the innocent. Shellie Zimmerman may have been an accomplice in his deception of the court, but she is also yet another victim in the wake of George Zimmerman’s psychological problems.

Someone like that should not have been allowed to take a life with impunity. Just as with domestic violence, by not holding Zimmerman accountable, the state has given him a license to kill again and he will use it...


http://www.politicususa.com/2013/08/29/shellie-zimmerman-reveals-left-george-night-shooting.html
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