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The State of Florida vs George Zimmerman: The Trial

 
 
BillRM
 
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Tue 27 Aug, 2013 10:45 am
@Frank Apisa,
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Patting one's self on the back that way can be injurious. You may dislocate your shoulder doing it as often as you have been.


Sorry my family have a solid record of not raising criminals or having children kicked out of school or being found with jewelry that can not be explain and so on.

So the idea that one of the family children would have attacked someone like Zimmerman and try to beat his brain out on a sidewalk is very near to science fiction.
revelette
 
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Tue 27 Aug, 2013 11:07 am
@BillRM,
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So the idea that one of the family children would have attacked someone like Zimmerman and try to beat his brain out on a sidewalk is very near to science fiction.


So is the idea that Trayvon Martin tried to beat Zimmerman's brains out science fiction.
BillRM
 
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Tue 27 Aug, 2013 11:13 am
@revelette,
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So is the idea that Trayvon Martin tried to beat Zimmerman's brains out science fiction.


No it is a fact back by a jury verdict.

I find it somewhat amusing however that the Trayvon family is being reward with a settlement in the million dollars range from the homeowner association for not raising a law abiding teenager.
revelette
 
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Tue 27 Aug, 2013 11:55 am
@BillRM,
The jury found George Zimmerman not guilty of the murder charges against him, nothing concerning Trayvon Martin's action were included in the verdict. So no, it still remains fiction.
Frank Apisa
 
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Tue 27 Aug, 2013 12:02 pm
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:

Quote:
Patting one's self on the back that way can be injurious. You may dislocate your shoulder doing it as often as you have been.


Sorry my family have a solid record of not raising criminals or having children kicked out of school or being found with jewelry that can not be explain and so on.

So the idea that one of the family children would have attacked someone like Zimmerman and try to beat his brain out on a sidewalk is very near to science fiction.


I notice you still haven't answer the question...and that you are still patting yourself on the back.
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BillRM
 
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Tue 27 Aug, 2013 12:13 pm
@revelette,
Quote:
The jury found George Zimmerman not guilty of the murder charges against him, nothing concerning Trayvon Martin's action were included in the verdict. So no, it still remains fiction.


Sorry not true as the jury found that Zimmerman acted in legal self defense from an attacked by Trayvon.
spendius
 
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Tue 27 Aug, 2013 12:14 pm
@Frank Apisa,
Quote:
Patting one's self on the back that way can be injurious. You may dislocate your shoulder doing it as often as you have been.


That's just another way of saying "marking your own exam papers" (MYOEP).

I hope that pointing it out to Bill reminds you to stop doing it yourself. Or at least reinforces your determination to.
BillRM
 
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Tue 27 Aug, 2013 12:23 pm
To sum up I can not see a George Zimmerman being a threat to anyone in my family so there is zero worry that one of my family members would be killed by him.

On the other hand I can picture someone in my family doing something to annoy a hoodlum such as Trayvon and ending up being underneath him having their brains pounded out.

Trayvon........................ a likely public danger to everyone
Zimmerman................. a danger to no one that is not trying to killed him
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spendius
 
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Tue 27 Aug, 2013 12:26 pm
@BillRM,
Look Bill--there are millions of law abiding teenagers. It means they haven't been convicted of anything yet and it doesn't mean they have not broken the law and are law abiding teenagers.

One might presume that the homeowner association felt a degree of responsibility for something to have shelled out a million bucks.
BillRM
 
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Tue 27 Aug, 2013 12:33 pm
@spendius,
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One might presume that the homeowner association felt a degree of responsibility for something to have shelled out a million bucks


The insurance company decided it was cheaper to reach an agreement then to fight them for years.

Take note that Zimmerman two lawyers are owe somewhere in the range of double what the likely settlement with Trayvon family reach with the homeowner association.

Lawyers bill at around 500 dollars an hour.
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BillRM
 
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Tue 27 Aug, 2013 12:39 pm
@spendius,
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Look Bill--there are millions of law abiding teenagers. It means they haven't been convicted of anything yet and it doesn't mean they have not broken the law and are law abiding teenagers


Sorry most teenagers are not criminal masterminds and there are all kind of indication that Trayvon gave to his family and others before the night he try to killed Zimmerman that would alert any parent that was not sleeping that there are problems.

Being kicked out of school more the once, being found with large amount of women jewelry he could or would not explain.

Having texts in his cell phone of how good he was at fighting and having nude pictures of underage girls also in his cell phone.
revelette
 
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Tue 27 Aug, 2013 12:48 pm
@BillRM,
The jury didn't find that Trayvon Martin tried to beat the brains out of Zimmerman by their not guilty verdict. He could have been found not guilty because Zimmerman felt his life was danger according to him. A very different thing than finding that Trayvon Martin tried to beat Zimmerman's head against the sidewalk. So, the verdict from the trial does not prove Trayvon Martin actually did try to pound his head against the sidewalk as you claim it does. In fact the evidence suggest it was a simple knock against something hard.

I think the laws needs to be fixed so does at least two of the jurors from the trial. The way it is now anyone can claim to be in fear of his or her life and get away with murder as one juror put it.
BillRM
 
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Tue 27 Aug, 2013 12:55 pm
@revelette,
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I think the laws needs to be fixed so does at least two of the jurors from the trial. The way it is now anyone can claim to be in fear of his or her life and get away with murder as one juror put it.


Sorry not true it have to be reasonable fear and the jury in order to find that Zimmerman acted in legal self defense needed to find that his fear was reasonable.
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BillRM
 
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Tue 27 Aug, 2013 01:01 pm
@revelette,
Take note of the word reasonable in the jury instruction in the Zimmerman case

There is nothing wrong with the law as written everyone have a right of self defense it placed in reasonable fear for his life..


Quote:


http://www.hlntv.com/article/2013/07/12/george-zimmerman-trial-jury-instructions-trayvon-martin


A person is justified in using deadly force if he reasonably believes that such force is necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm to himself.

In deciding whether George Zimmerman was justified in the use of deadly force, you must judge him by the circumstances by which he was surrounded at the time the force was used. The danger facing George Zimmerman need not have been actual; however, to justify the use of deadly force, the appearance of danger must have been so real that a reasonably cautious and prudent person under the same circumstances would have believed that the danger could be avoided only through the use of that force. Based upon appearances, George Zimmerman must have actually believed that the danger was real.

If George Zimmerman was not engaged in an unlawful activity and was attacked in any place where he had a right to be, he had no duty to retreat and had the right to stand his ground and meet force with force, including deadly force if he reasonably believed that it was necessary to do so to prevent death or great bodily harm to himself or another or to prevent the commission of a forcible felony.

In considering the issue of self-defense, you may take into account the relative physical abilities and capacities of George Zimmerman and Trayvon Martin.

If in your consideration of the issue of self-defense you have a reasonable doubt on the question of whether George Zimmerman was justified in the use of deadly force, you should find George Zimmerman not guilty.

However, if from the evidence you are convinced beyond a reasonable doubt that George Zimmerman was not justified in the use of deadly force, you should find him guilty if all the elements of the charge have been proved."

Click here to read all of the jury instructions, which also include details on how jurors should weigh the evidence and what the rules are for deliberations.

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Frank Apisa
 
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Tue 27 Aug, 2013 01:09 pm
@spendius,
spendius wrote:

Quote:
Patting one's self on the back that way can be injurious. You may dislocate your shoulder doing it as often as you have been.


That's just another way of saying "marking your own exam papers" (MYOEP).

I hope that pointing it out to Bill reminds you to stop doing it yourself. Or at least reinforces your determination to.


WDYGFY...ADIWAA.
parados
 
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Tue 27 Aug, 2013 01:48 pm
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:

Quote:
The jury found George Zimmerman not guilty of the murder charges against him, nothing concerning Trayvon Martin's action were included in the verdict. So no, it still remains fiction.


Sorry not true as the jury found that Zimmerman acted in legal self defense from an attacked by Trayvon.

No, the jury found they had doubt as to whether Zimmerman acted in malice. They had no finding as to how Martin acted. Nor did they find that Zimmerman acted in legal self defense. Doubt as to guilt doesn't prove that they thought it was absolutely self defense.
revelette
 
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Tue 27 Aug, 2013 01:51 pm
@BillRM,
Those instructions make no sense whatsoever.

On the one hand it said the danger need not be actual but on the other it said it must be real. No wonder they were confused.

BillRM
 
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Tue 27 Aug, 2013 01:53 pm
@parados,
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No, the jury found they had doubt as to whether Zimmerman acted in malice.


Sorry once more not true as the malice element would come under the murder charge not a manslaughter charge that was also before the jury.

Without the reasonable fear for his life self defense claim at best he would have been found guilty of manslaughter if the jury did not find malice.

Keep trying to falsely claimed that the jury did not find he acted in legal self defense.
BillRM
 
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Tue 27 Aug, 2013 01:59 pm
@revelette,
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On the one hand it said the danger need not be actual but on the other it said it must be real. No wonder they were confused.


No need to be confused if someone pointed for example a toy weapon that look real at you and you acted in the reasonable belief that is was a real weapon you are cover by the self defense laws.

No actual danger from that toy weapon and that happen just a few weeks ago when a man was shot down in the streets after pointing a BB rifle at some cops in Miami.

It however was self defense by the cops as they was in reasonable fear for their lives.
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RABEL222
 
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Tue 27 Aug, 2013 02:38 pm
@BillRM,
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I was making a point...........


You were lying!!
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