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The State of Florida vs George Zimmerman: The Trial

 
 
OmSigDAVID
 
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Mon 26 Aug, 2013 09:57 pm
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:

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I hope that Zimmy can successfully sue
decedent 's estate for assault & for battery.


The problem is that I would bet the money did not go to Tryvon estate but directly to his parents.

True his parents should not had raised a hoodlum but still as a non-lawyer I do not see any legal grounds to go after the settlement.

Zimmerman does have grounds for actions against CBS for editing the 911 tape and for the prosecutor for after the verdict
calling him a murderer in my once more non-lawyer opinion.
AGREED, if CBS actually said that.
Thay usually cover themselves by adding: "alleged".





David
BillRM
 
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Mon 26 Aug, 2013 10:14 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
Quote:
AGREED, if CBS actually said that.
Thay usually cover themselves by adding: "alleged".


CBS cut/edit the 911 taped to make it appear that Zimmerman stated the race of Trayvon before he was ask for that information by the 911 operator.

The prosecutor stated that he was a murderer after repeat after a jury had found otherwise.

That is two completely separate possible causes of civil actions.

OmSigDAVID
 
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Tue 27 Aug, 2013 02:39 am
@Frank Apisa,
BillRM wrote:
So when a citizen follow someone to be able to guide the police to them they are stalking?

If you see a hit and run and chase after the car you are stalking
the people in that car for example?

Never known that the word stalking have such positive meanings.
Frank Apisa wrote:
Knowing what you know now...and still taking the avenue you are taking, Bill...
is one of the most digusting things I can conceive of.

Zimmerman STALKED a young man...
and when the young man (who had plenty of reason to be fearful) confronted him...he shot him to death.

Wake the hell up.
I must respectfully dissent from your reasoning, Frank.
Tho 1OO% certainty is impossible,
I don t believe that he was hanging around in the rain
out there, for no reason. It is my sense of the situation
that, more likely than not, decedent was casing the naborhood
when Zimmy saw him; that 's Y he ran.

I had my own little stalking incident recently; I handled it differently.
I was briefly in NY last week to attend to some financial transactions.
I recognized the possibility that I might never be back there again.
In a spirit of nostalgia, I drove back to my oldest naborhood,
of my earliest years, the first house that I remember.
I dismounted from my car, and looked at its stoop, the scene
of some adventures, beheld its driveway n backyard, deep in memory.

I elected to walk the path along the street to the place
that the grocery used to be, where my mother used to
send me for articles of food. With my eyes, I caressed
the television store, from whence we got our first TV set.
I stood n stared.
This was about 3 or 4 AM. Some Dominicans came out of
their bar and asked me:
"Can I help u ?" Smiling, I said: "No."
I was asked:
"R u looking for something ?" I said, genially,
that I was looking for a candy store
(named "Cef's")
or a butcher shop (my friend, Hans's place),
but that I was "too late; much, much, too late."
Thay wished me a "Good night."
It was very pleasant, congenial and no one found it necessary
to pound anyone 's head on the street. The difference
was that I WAS CIVIL and we all remained intact.
I did not believe in "ground and pound".

I remain morally confident that travon was having
a hell of a good time pounding Zimmy
, and he was
anticipating bragging about it to his friends
of what he did to that white. He assumed that
Zimmy was too dum to be armed.

I like it when the victim defeats the predator,
as Zimmy did in his case.





David
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Tue 27 Aug, 2013 02:43 am
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:

DAVID wrote:
AGREED, if CBS actually said that.
Thay usually cover themselves by adding: "alleged".


CBS cut/edit the 911 taped to make it appear that Zimmerman stated the race of Trayvon before he was ask for that information by the 911 operator.

The prosecutor stated that he was a murderer after repeat after a jury had found otherwise.

That is two completely separate possible causes of civil actions.
Yes; thanx for reminding me.
I remember that as being accurate.
I join in your wish that Zimmy will sue them both.





David
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parados
 
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Tue 27 Aug, 2013 07:06 am
@BillRM,
Quote:
Anybody else been wondering where Al Sharpton and Jackson had been when we have three white teenagers in the news killing a black guy from Australia or then two white teenagers killing a black WW2 war vet?

Three white teenagers? Fox was reporting they were 3 black teenagers. Other news reports said one white, one black and one mixed race.


By the way, arrests have been made in those cases and people are being charged with crimes. There is no need to protest the lack of arrest or the lack of charging crimes.
BillRM
 
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Tue 27 Aug, 2013 08:41 am
@parados,
Quote:
Three white teenagers? Fox was reporting they were 3 black teenagers. Other news reports said one white, one black and one mixed race.


I was making a point...........

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By the way, arrests have been made in those cases and people are being charged with crimes.


As Trayvon would had been charged for murder or serous assault if Zimmerman had not been armed. An event that is very unlikely to had made the national news.

Quote:
There is no need to protest the lack of arrest or the lack of charging crimes.


Both those two clowns , Sharpton and Jackson, had let rallies over a so call overcharging of black teenagers who assaulted a white teenager from the back knocking him out for the crime of being white and in the wrong placed at the wrong time and for no other reason.
parados
 
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Tue 27 Aug, 2013 09:21 am
@BillRM,
Gosh.. and the 88 year old vet would have been charged with a crime if the kids hadn't killed him. It makes as much sense as your statement.

In one case the person responsible for the death was not arrested and charged so people protested. In the other cases the persons responsible were arrested and you whine that no one is protesting. You look like an idiot Bill.
BillRM
 
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Tue 27 Aug, 2013 09:36 am
@parados,
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Gosh.. and the 88 year old vet would have been charged with a crime if the kids hadn't killed him. It makes as much sense as your statement.


If he had killed some poor innocent black children with a gun such as Trayvon?

Quote:
In one case the person responsible for the death was not arrested and charged so people protested. In the other cases the persons responsible were arrested and you whine that no one is protesting. You look like an idiot Bill.


In the one case the victim was able to save his own life and in the second case all was well as the 88 yours old man did the "right" thing and allowed himself to be beaten to death.

If Zimmerman had been beaten to death by Trayvon as seems to be the "right" outcome for a non-black being attacked by a black teenager Trayvon would had been arrested for murder and all would had been well.
parados
 
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Tue 27 Aug, 2013 09:45 am
@BillRM,
Quote:
In the one case the victim was able to save his own life

In one case you suppose the dead person was a criminal without hard evidence showing that.

There is no hard evidence that Martin was attempting to beat Zimmerman to death. There is no hard evidence that Martin attacked Zimmerman.
Your speculation is not evidence. It is only speculation.
cicerone imposter
 
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Tue 27 Aug, 2013 09:53 am
@parados,
I just wonder how much support Zimmerman would get from the same people defending him if their own son got killed by Zimmerman in the same way?

Walking home from the store.

BillRM
 
  1  
Tue 27 Aug, 2013 10:05 am
@parados,
Quote:
In one case you suppose the dead person was a criminal without hard evidence showing that.


A jury verdict is not good enough for you or the facts and the evidence for that matter?

Sorry you can not legally beated someone to death for following you under any legal code in the nation.

Zimmerman and the 88 vet was both victims of criminal attacks the only difference is that Zimmerman is alive and the teenager is dead and in the second the victim is dead and the teenagers attackers are alive and charge.
hawkeye10
 
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Tue 27 Aug, 2013 10:06 am
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

I just wonder how much support Zimmerman would get from the same people defending him if their own son got killed by Zimmerman in the same way?

Walking home from the store.



you might take note that the accused is judged by a jury of his peers not a jury of family of the victim. probably a good move if it is justice and not vengeance that is wanted.
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BillRM
 
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Tue 27 Aug, 2013 10:13 am
@cicerone imposter,
Quote:
Walking home from the store.


An taking the time to try to beat a man to death on that walk home and sorry I can not see any family members of mine attacking Zimmerman under the same situation so it would not be a son or a grandson of mine in my case.

Quote:
their own son got killed by Zimmerman in the same way?


The nearest criminal in my family line was a great uncle who ripped off beer from his employer beer truck.

As far as the family tree go back we do not have any violence criminals that would dream of attacking Zimmerman.
parados
 
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Tue 27 Aug, 2013 10:20 am
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:

Quote:
In one case you suppose the dead person was a criminal without hard evidence showing that.


A jury verdict is not good enough for you or the facts and the evidence for that matter?
The jury was asked if Martin was a criminal? Do you have evidence of this ruling? Or are you so deluded you think no one will question your idiotic statements?

Quote:

Sorry you can not legally beated someone to death for following you under any legal code in the nation.
Zimmerman was beaten do death? When?

Quote:

Zimmerman and the 88 vet was both victims of criminal attacks the only difference is that Zimmerman is alive and the teenager is dead and in the second the victim is dead and the teenagers attackers are alive and charge.
Except in the case of Zimmerman there is no evidence to support your charge.
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Frank Apisa
 
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Tue 27 Aug, 2013 10:22 am
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:

Quote:
Walking home from the store.


An taking the time to try to beat a man to death on that walk home and sorry I can not see any family members of mine attacking Zimmerman under the same situation so it would not be a son or a grandson of mine in my case.

Quote:
their own son got killed by Zimmerman in the same way?


The nearest criminal in my family line was a great uncle who ripped off beer from his employer beer truck.

As far as the family tree go back we do not have any violence criminals that would dream of attacking Zimmerman.



Well, what you sometimes do to the English language is almost "criminal", Bill...but I get what you are trying so hard to say.

Can you go back four generations...and tell us if any of your relatives in that generation every broke the law?
BillRM
 
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Tue 27 Aug, 2013 10:26 am
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http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/08/26/george-zimmerman-legal-fees-florida/2704499/


Lawyer: Zimmerman to ask Fla. to cover some legal costs

George Zimmerman, the neighborhood watch volunteer found not guilty in the February 2012 shooting death of teen Trayvon Martin, will ask the state of Florida to cover some of his legal fees, a lawyer's spokesman says.
Yamiche Alcindor and Melanie Eversley, USA TODAY 11:57 a.m. EDT August 27, 2013

The money his team hopes to recoup includes expenses such as hiring courtroom experts, court reporter fees for witness depositions and some travel expenses.

George Zimmerman, the neighborhood watch volunteer found not guilty in the February 2012 shooting death of Trayvon Martin, will ask the state of Florida to cover some of his legal fees, a lawyer's spokesman says.

Mark O'Mara, Zimmerman's lawyer, plans to file a motion to recoup $200,000 to $300,000 in legal fees from the state of Florida, Shawn Vincent, a spokesman for Zimmerman's legal team, said Monday evening.

"That is a ballpark estimate," Vincent said. "It will be a few weeks before everything is all together and we're in a position to file that motion."

A Florida statute allows defendants who win their cases to file such motions, Vincent said. More than a month after Zimmerman was acquitted, his attorneys have now had the time to begin preparing their motion.

"It's a pretty standard motion for a case that the defense won," Vincent said.

Zimmerman shot and killed the unarmed black teen during a confrontation in Sanford, Fla., after deeming Trayvon suspicious. The case galvanized the civil rights community and many members of the public, who rallied around the teen's family and insisted Trayvon had been racially profiled. After the verdict, the NAACP, Color of Change and other civil rights organizations have pressed Attorney General Eric Holder to file federal civil rights charges against Zimmerman.

The motion to recoup legal costs would be based on a Florida statute that declares that a defendant who has been acquitted is not liable for costs associated with his or her case and that anything paid would be returned, if approved by a judge or clerk, via the state's Judicial Administrative Commission.

The Orlando Sentinel first reported that Zimmerman's legal team was preparing a motion to recoup some of their legal costs.

The money Zimmerman's team hopes to recover includes only legal expenses such as hiring courtroom experts, court reporter fees for witness depositions and some travel expenses.

No Florida law allows attorneys to recover their fees from the state, Vincent said.

In O'Mara's case, the fee would have been more than $1 million. He bills $400 an hour and worked 40 hours a week for 16 months on Zimmerman's case, Vincent said. Don West, a co-counsel on the case, bills $350 an hour.

"I believe to this day, they (O'Mara and West) have not been paid for any of their legal fees," Vincent said.

O'Mara told The Orlando Sentinel that he will submit the costs to a judge for certification, but he anticipates that the Judicial Administrative Commission will challenge many of the expenses.

It remains to be seen how Zimmerman's legal fund defense, which collected several thousands of dollars for his defense, will work now that some of those fees will be paid by the state. It's also unclear whether Zimmerman's attorneys will be paid for their time in the future.
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BillRM
 
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Tue 27 Aug, 2013 10:32 am
@Frank Apisa,
We do not have violence criminals in our family line such as Trayvon as far as anyone have been able to trace the line.

An from knowing the new upcoming generation of three boys and one girl I do not foresee that changing in the next generation either.

We surely do have family members who had broken the law in some minor manner or other but only one who had been convicted in the late 1940s to very early 1950s for stealing beer from the beer truck he was the driver of.

Zimmerman would be a guardian in my neighborhood and not a threat to any of my family young ones as they are being raised far better then Trayvon seems to had been raised.
Frank Apisa
 
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Tue 27 Aug, 2013 10:37 am
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:

We do not have violence criminals in our family line such as Trayvon as far as anyone have been able to trace the line.

An from knowing the new upcoming generation of three boys and one girl I do not foresee that changing in the next generation either.

We surely do have family members who had broken the law in some minor manner or other but only one who had been convicted in the late 1940s to very early 1950s for stealing beer from the beer truck he was the driver of.


Let me try that again, Bill...because I can see you have trouble with the language.

Here is what I asked:

Quote:
Can you go back four generations...and tell us if any of your relatives in that generation every broke the law?


You either can or you cannot...and a simple "yes" or "no" will answer the question.

If the answer is "yes"...I probably will have a few follow up questions, though.
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Frank Apisa
 
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Tue 27 Aug, 2013 10:39 am
@BillRM,
Quote:
Zimmerman would be a guardian in my neighborhood and not a threat to any of my family young ones as they are being raised far better then Trayvon seems to had been raised.


Patting one's self on the back that way can be injurious. You may dislocate your shoulder doing it as often as you have been. Wink
cicerone imposter
 
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Tue 27 Aug, 2013 10:44 am
@Frank Apisa,
The real problem is that he has dislocated his brain more than his shoulder.
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