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The State of Florida vs George Zimmerman: The Trial

 
 
BillRM
 
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Sat 24 Aug, 2013 03:40 pm
@RABEL222,
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In the picture of Travon lying dead where is the sidewalk he was using as a weapon?


LOL you are saying that there was not a sidewalk right there because it was not shown in some picture of Trayvon body!!!!?????!!!!!!

How silly can you be...................

cicerone imposter
 
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Sat 24 Aug, 2013 03:42 pm
@firefly,
What upsets me more is how OMara used a made from cloth mannequin to show how Martin "could" have slammed Zimmerman's head against the lethal sidewalk. If Martin did use that kind of force on Zimmerman against the cement sidewalk, Zimmerman would be unconscious or debilitated with much more serious injuries.

The prosecution did nothing to question that "show" by O'Mara.

firefly
 
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Sat 24 Aug, 2013 03:45 pm
@BillRM,
How silly can you be?

If Martin's body wasn't near a sidewalk, he couldn't have been pounding Zimmerman's head on a sidewalk. Martin's body was not moved. The photo was taken where it was found.

That's why at the trial--the trial you didn't watch--they raised the issue of whether Zimmerman could have scraped his head on a storm drain in the grass, because the sidewalk story really didn't make sense.

A lot of Zimmerman's account of events didn't make sense...or was contradictory...or simply implausible.
hawkeye10
 
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Sat 24 Aug, 2013 03:46 pm
@cicerone imposter,
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The prosecution did nothing to question that "show" by O'Mara.

there is a pretty nifty argument that the prosecutors did not believe in the case, so they were just going through to motions to please their bosses. The argument that this was a show trial on par with the common Soviet practice is looking better and better.
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hawkeye10
 
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Sat 24 Aug, 2013 03:48 pm
@firefly,
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Martin's body was not moved


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Martin’s body was on the grass, face-down with his hands under him, Raimondo said.
He said he checked the 17-year-old for a pulse and found none and then turned him over to perform CPR.

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/06/25/19134940-witness-recalls-efforts-to-save-wounded-trayvon-martin?lite

according to Zimmerman the original moving took place after Martin was shot, and he then fell to the side. The picture is thus of Martins body after it had moved twice.
BillRM
 
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Sat 24 Aug, 2013 03:55 pm
@cicerone imposter,
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If Martin did use that kind of force on Zimmerman against the cement sidewalk, Zimmerman would be unconscious or debilitated with much more serious injuries.


Strange I never knew you are a medical expert of any kind please tell us your background that would give any weight to your opinion.
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firefly
 
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Sat 24 Aug, 2013 03:55 pm
@cicerone imposter,
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The prosecution did nothing to question that "show" by O'Mara.

It wasn't evidence that they could question. It was part of the defense's closing argument. All defense lawyers put on a "show" of smoke and mirrors, their main job is to confuse the jury. If they can do that with bullshit, they use bullshit. They want to win their case, regardless of whether their client is guilty or not.

There's really nothing the prosecution can do to stop that sort of thing. It goes on in most trials.
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BillRM
 
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Sat 24 Aug, 2013 03:56 pm
@hawkeye10,
Hawkeye there you go against confusing Firefly with the facts....shame on you.
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firefly
 
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Sat 24 Aug, 2013 03:59 pm
@hawkeye10,
Martin was allegedly on top of Zimmerman when he was shot. He wouldn't have fallen to the side. He was shot at point blank range.

Dead bodies don't travel anywhere. They weren't near the sidewalk when the shot was fired. The body was rolled over, to do CPR, but it wasn't moved.

Zimmerman's version of events, after he shot Martin, doesn't jive with the position the police found the body in after they arrived.

Zimmerman's account is full of holes, and contradictions, and implausibilities. But it couldn't be fully attacked because he never took the stand.
hawkeye10
 
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Sat 24 Aug, 2013 04:03 pm
@firefly,
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Dead bodies don't travel anywhere
it would if it were on top of me

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The body was rolled over, to do CPR, but it wasn't moved
wow, that is heavy duty mis use of the english language even for you!
firefly
 
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Sat 24 Aug, 2013 04:05 pm
@hawkeye10,
The body was rolled over, it was not moved to a different location.

My language use is considerably better than either your logic, or your actual knowledge of this case.
hawkeye10
 
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Sat 24 Aug, 2013 04:11 pm
@firefly,
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The body was rolled over, it was not moved to a different location.

go lay down on your stomach in your living room. Roll over on your back. report back on whether you ended up where you started. The other option is that you moved.
firefly
 
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Sat 24 Aug, 2013 04:12 pm
@hawkeye10,
They weren't near the sidewalk...

There was no blood found on the sidewalk, and the back of Zimmerman's head was bleeding from those two tiny scrapes. If his head was pounded on the sidewalk, why was there no blood found there?

He also claimed Martin put both his hands over his nose and mouth to keep him from breathing and calling for help --that Martin put his hands on that bloody nose and pinched it shut--but Zimmerman's blood was not found on Martin's hands, not even under the fingernails.

Zimmerman is a liar.

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RABEL222
 
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Sun 25 Aug, 2013 12:06 am
@cicerone imposter,
The whole prosecution upset me. They just werent interested in justice for a black teenager. I knew Zimmerman was going to get away with murder because the Flordia legislators made sure he would before this even took place.
hawkeye10
 
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Sun 25 Aug, 2013 12:50 am
@RABEL222,
RABEL222 wrote:

The whole prosecution upset me. They just werent interested in justice for a black teenager. I knew Zimmerman was going to get away with murder because the Flordia legislators made sure he would before this even took place.
in other words they knew that they were taking part in an abusive proceeding.
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Sun 25 Aug, 2013 01:45 am
@firefly,
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and there was no ill intentions in trying to get the police to check out
what look like to him a likely would be robber...
firefly wrote:
There was nothing wrong with calling the police.
Most generous of u to grant him the privilege.



firefly wrote:
What was wrong was Zimmerman not remaining in his vehicle
If there is any reason
that Zimmy shud have done that, then please tell us what it IS,
citing to any statutory or judicial authority in support.




firefly wrote:
until the police arrived, and choosing instead to stalk his "suspect".
It is a GOOD idea to harass burglars; deny them the privacy thay need on-the-job, after calling police.
Let's all annoy them. Take their pictures up close n personal, while asking them if thay r there for burglary.
People in all naborhoods with burglary problems shud do that.




firefly wrote:
And, in doing that, he violated the rules for a neighborhood watch,
Do u have STANDING
to raise that objection??
R u a member of his group?
Will u introduce a motion to throw him out,
or to let him off lightly, maybe just don't let Zimmy
sing the official song for 3 weeks ?




firefly wrote:
and disregarded the advisement of a police dispatcher.
If U allege that there is ANYTHING rong
with doing that, then will u please explain what it IS??
I (for one) have never pledged allegiance to police dispatchers.
I guess Firefly has committed herself to such obedience.



firefly wrote:
There was no legitimate need or necessity for Zimmerman to stalk
Martin--there was no crime in progress, nothing urgent was going on.
For WHAT reason, shud he avoid annoying the burglar (pre-burglar)?? I don't see the point.



firefly wrote:
And what "likely would be robber" would be just walking around, talking on a cell phone,
Lemme get this straight:
according to U, robbers don't use cell fones??
Do thay confine themselves to the older technology??
So, if u see someone using a cell fone, then u know he cant be a robber??




firefly wrote:
at 7 pm on a Sunday evening,
where he could be easily observed inside this private gated community?
HOW do burglars occupy their time,
at 7 PM on Sundays??



firefly wrote:
Since when is walking around and talking on a cell phone indicative of someone who is a likely burglar?
Since he starts casing the naborhood, looking at the houses; that 's when.





BillRM wrote:
Sorry stalking in this case falsely imply following someone with ill intentions...
firefly wrote:
Stalking is the correct word to use.
OK. For WHAT reason shud burglars not be stalked????
What good comes from leaving burglars alone to do their work????






firefly wrote:
And, from Rachel Jeantel, we know that Zimmerman's behavior placed Martin in fear.
IF that were true,
then travon 'd not have RETURNED and confronted Zimmy,
after travon fled the scene.
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Stalking is unwanted or obsessive attention by an individual or group toward another person.
Stalking behaviors are related to harassment and intimidation
and may include following the victim in person or monitoring them....[That is how future victims of burglary
shud treat burglars. David]


According to a 2002 report by the National Center for Victims of Crime, "Virtually any unwanted contact between two people [that intends] to directly
or indirectly communicates a threat or places the victim in fear can be considered stalking" [That is how burglars shud be treated. David]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stalking

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The very fact of the deadly attacked that Trayvon launch against Zimmerman is proof enough that Zimmerman was right
to have concerns about the young man.

firefly wrote:
No, idiot. It's the other way around.
U sound very CONFIDENT of your position, non-idiot.
Will u offer proof of what makes it "the other way around" ??
I challenge u on that allegation.




firefly wrote:
The fact Zimmerman wound up shooting and killing him is proof enough that Martin had reason to fear this creepy guy
who was stalking him in the dark, and who never identified himself....
Your post appears to imply
that Zimmy was in error, in his choice to kill travon.
I fail to understand your reasoning there,
under those circumstances. Y not??





David
Frank Apisa
 
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Sun 25 Aug, 2013 02:41 am
@OmSigDAVID,
Quote:
Quote:
firefly wrote:
What was wrong was Zimmerman not remaining in his vehicle


If there is any reason
that Zimmy shud have done that, then please tell us what it IS,
citing to any statutory or judicial authority in support.


Because he was carrying a gun...and stalking a young man who may have been doing absolutely nothing wrong...and who might detect that he was being stalked and react...and that might result in someone being shot.

Which is, essentially, what happened, David.

Zimmerman should have stayed in his car...the police were on the way. That is what Neighborhood Watch people are supposed to do.


spendius
 
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Sun 25 Aug, 2013 05:01 am
@Frank Apisa,
As I understand things the scene was in a "gated community".

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In its modern form, a gated community is a form of residential community or housing estate containing strictly controlled entrances for pedestrians, bicycles, and automobiles, and often characterized by a closed perimeter of walls and fences. Gated communities usually consist of small residential streets and include various shared amenities. For smaller communities this may be only a park or other common area. For larger communities, it may be possible for residents to stay within the community for most daily activities. Gated communities are a type of common interest development, but are distinct from intentional communities.

Given that gated communities are spatially a type of enclave, Setha M. Low, among other anthropologists, has argued that they have a negative effect on the net social capital of the broader community outside the gated community. Some gated communities, usually called guard-gated communities, are staffed by private security guards and are often home to high-value properties, and/or are set up as retirement villages. Some gated communities are secure enough to resemble fortresses and are intended as such.


Which adds up to a manifestation of anxiety and maybe extreme anxiety such as exists in South Africa and, indeed, most government buildings and media centres. Schools and hospitals also.

If such levels of anxiety exist in an area it has to be assumed that there is justification sufficient to suffer the pain of the investment.

People who live in areas where such anxiety does not exist are in no position to judge the incidents that occur where it does. A hair trigger mentality, no doubt whipped up by local media, exists in areas of high anxiety and an occasional tragic incident is very likely to occur. Especially after dusk.

It's a smart move to wait in ambush for such an incident and then jump all over it for fun, to express one's own anxieties or to cash in. As Fox News did.

It's a bit like a photon detector flashing once a year down a 3,000 feet mine.

farmerman
 
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Sun 25 Aug, 2013 05:06 am
@spendius,
reading a lot into what is essentialy a marketing gimmick spendi.
BillRM
 
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Sun 25 Aug, 2013 05:18 am
@Frank Apisa,
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Because he was carrying a gun...and stalking a young man who may have been doing absolutely nothing wrong...and who might detect that he was being stalked and react...and that might result in someone being shot.


Too bad his parents never taught Trayvon no matter how must he love fighting it is not safe and it is not legal to assault some unknown adult for annoying you.

Oh Zimmerman have a right to follow or in your word stalk Trayvon just as he would have had the right to be openly wearing a 10,000 dollar watch and it some hoodlum decided to attack him for being follow or to get that watch it does not matter one little bit as Zimmerman still have the moral and the legal right of self defense.

We are under no obligation to live our lives to reduce the likelihood of some hoodlum deciding to attacked us and if they do attacked then crying over one of them dying as a results in sickening.

A perfect case of trying to blame the victim for being assaulted by a low life.
 

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