The State of Florida vs George Zimmerman: The Trial

@Brandon9000,

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For myself, if someone were following me, I would attempt to escape.

Trayvon Martin was trying to get away from him--Zimmerman kept following him.

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It wouldn't be my natural inclination to turn and beat them senseless.

If Martin had turned, and gone to attack Zimmerman, why did Rachel Jeantel hear him say, to Zimmerman, "Get off me"?

George Zimmerman was not beaten up, let alone "beaten senseless" by anyone. He sustained a single blow to the nose, which does not appear to be seriously injured, and he had two very small scrapes on the back of his head. He required absolutely no medical treatment.

These are the official police photos taken that night, right after the shooting. The nose is fine, the back of the head has no bruises, swellings, goose-eggs, etc., just two very small scrapes and dried blood streaks. Zimmerman was very, very minimally injured.

http://static4.businessinsider.com/image/4fd13eb769bedd093c00000c-480/george-zimmerman-after-shooting.jpg

http://www.washingtonpost.com/rf/image_606w/WashingtonPost/Content/Blogs/post_now/Images/2012-05-17T234612Z_01_TOR832_RTRIDSP_3_USA-FLORIDA-SHOOTING-250.jpg

http://www.bagnewsnotes.com/image.php?image=http://www.bagnewsnotes.com/wp-content/files_flutter/1337368623BloodiedZimmermanreleased5:17:12.jpeg&height=485

Zimmerman had only very minor injuries, very minor injuries.

This is what Trayvon Martin looked like.

http://uptownmagazine.com/files/2013/07/uptown-trayvon-martin-photo.jpg

This was a needless death.

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@hawkeye10,

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her claims that he was a moral reprobate are rendered false by his obvious motive to but up a fight against crime and help to keep his neighborhood safe.

There is nothing false about the fact that Zimmerman landed in court twice for issues relating to his aggressive behaviors, including his attacking a law enforcenment officer who was trying to make an arrest, and that he was court-ordered to take anger management classes.

And how about the fact he used an elaborate fraudulent scheme to conceal his assets, as well as a second passport, from his own lawyer and the judge presiding over his bail hearing? And his wife is going on trial for her perjury in that matter. The judge involved in that matter pointed out that Zimmerman has no regard for the truth or for the judicial system.

The man commits crimes...so don't try to sell him as a crime-fighter. He's a wannabe cop who was rejected as unsuitable when he applied to a police force. The chief investigator on this case described him as having "a little hero complex."

And he certainly didn't keep his "neighborhood safe" by stalking and killing an innocent kid who was a house guest in that gated community.

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@firefly,

the abuse of Zimmerman at the hands of the first lawyers as well as the judge that ran the bail hearing would be a fine topic of conversation. Zimmerman was abused by multiple agents of the "justice" system.

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@hawkeye10,

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. Zimmerman was abused by multiple agents of the "justice" system

Right, sure. You just go on believing that. You're sounding even more absurd than usual Laughing

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@cicerone imposter,

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Bigotry is learned from one's environment; usually from the parents and peers.

And where did the parents and peers learn it from if not from a series of parents and peers of sufficient length to be a cultural tradition.

If Andy Warhol can say that Valerie Solanis emptying a revolver into his chest from 3 feet was an "accident" it is safe to say that the event under consideration here was also. Like all accidents it requires a number of separate characteristics to collide in order to cause it. In this accident a large number must have been in play. No doubt they are often in play and it is just the specific combination in this case which caused the tragic outcome.

Hence the only point is the use to which it might be put and who is pulling the strings to best effect for whatever motive is being exercised.

Business as usual in other words.

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@Brandon9000,

How do you know the gun was in his pocket? The only live witness is a lier and a known bully.

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@firefly,

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I consider this case a cause celebre because it highlights the flawed self-defense laws, including Stand Your Ground, in Florida and other states with SYG laws, that allow people to get away with murder.

But that represents only a small fraction of the tensions which underlie the treatment of the case by the various interested parties.

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@spendius,

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But that represents only a small fraction of the tensions which underlie the treatment of the case by the various interested parties.

But those Florida laws are the heart of the legal matter that led to an acquittal.

Issues of racial profiling are relevant only in why Zimmerman might have focused on Martin, and why the D.A. may have passed on charging and arresting him right after the shooting.

Much of the blatant racist thinking expressed in this thread has nothing at all to do with this legal case--it's a reflection of racist attitudes on the part of these posters, and they are using this case as an excuse to vent those attitudes and feelings.

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@Brandon9000,

The injuries Zimmerman sustained do not suggest any high "degree" of injuries. It was a bloody nose and a few scratches on the back of his head when all is said and done. Kids get worse than that falling off a bike.

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@revelette,

All these Zimmerman supporters ignore the simple fact that Zimmerman refused to be taken to the hospital. He would know if he needed more medical treatment, but according to the ignorant posters supporting Zimmerman, they know better than the injured.

TNCFS

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@cicerone imposter,

Once more there is no question he was injuryed by the actions of Trayvon and by the prosecutor own witness you do not need to allowed yourself to be seriously harm before you can take actions in legal self defense.

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@firefly,

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But those Florida laws are the heart of the legal matter that led to an acquittal.

Yes but those laws are an aspect of tensions in society over race and those tensions must be more felt in Florida than in, say, Leamington Spa. For whatever reason. And if they are felt it is visceral. Reason and logic pouring condescendingly from a place where they are not felt are irrelevant and are likely to cause the intransigence to increase; as is being demonstrated.

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Much of the blatant racist thinking expressed in this thread has nothing at all to do with this legal case--it's a reflection of racist attitudes on the part of these posters, and they are using this case as an excuse to vent those attitudes and feelings.

That's what I took a little time to explain. And the same applies to you. Your attitudes and feelings are being vented using the case as an excuse and your blithe assumption that those attitudes and feelings are in some way more right, or correct, or moral, needs to be justified.

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@revelette,

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It was a bloody nose and a few scratches on the back of his head when all is said and done. Kids get worse than that falling off a bike.

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Having this kid on top of you trying to interfere with your breathing and pounding your head on the sidewalk is more then enough reason to blow him away as I would had done in Zimmerman placed and my wife would have done in Zimmerman place.

As one law professor stated this is a text book example of legal self defense.

Zimmerman was under no obligation to allowed Trayvon to killed him as the two black teenagers just did to the world war two vet.

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@BillRM,

It was two black teenagers and one white teenager, they were arrested as they should have been.

The rest of what you said was in no way proven in court or backed up by evidence as his injuries would have been way worse. Someone punching you in the nose and you fall down is not reason to shoot someone. The way ya'll make it sound, anyone can claim reason to fear for worse from any fight, however slight.

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@BillRM,

In the picture of Travon lying dead where is the sidewalk he was using as a weapon?

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@BillRM,

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Having this kid on top of you trying to interfere with your breathing and pounding your head on the sidewalk is more then enough reason to blow him away as I would had done in Zimmerman placed and my wife would have done in Zimmerman place.

I'm not surprised you have no compunction about "blowing" a life away--particularly the life of a young black male, a life you regard as worthless. And I guess your wife is as big a creep as you are if she feels the same way.

Zimmerman had a bloody nose, he was nowhere near being killed. And once they wiped the blood away, his nose appeared to be fine, nothing more than a little tender. And he required absolutely no medical treatment for it.

Nor is there any evidence his head was pounded on the sidewalk. At the trial they raised the issue of whether Zimmerman was even on the sidewalk. He might have scraped his head on a drain in the grass. The sidewalk story just made for better drama--even though Zimmerman's injuries didn't match his narrative. He was barely injured at all. The back of his head had only two tiny scrapes. No indication of any pounding. No need for any medical treatment at all.

Zimmerman's a liar who exaggerated his injuries and his fears. And you're doing the same thing. He shot Martin because he wanted to, not because he had to. He thought he was killing one of those "f--king assholes who always get away."

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@RABEL222,

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In the picture of Travon lying dead where is the sidewalk he was using as a weapon?

Good question RABEL222.

They weren't near the sidewalk...

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I just read an interesting bit of information. In 250 cases of people being exonerated by DNA evidence 3/4 of them were convicted by eyewitnesses. Would you say that that makes eyewitnesses unreliable?

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@firefly,

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Good question RABEL222.

They weren't near the sidewalk...

as if Zimmerman was walking down the sidewalk and Martin charged him, throwing him many feet from the sidewalk.

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@RABEL222,

RABEL222 wrote:

I just read an interesting bit of information. In 250 cases of people being exonerated by DNA evidence 3/4 of them were convicted by eyewitnesses. Would you say that that makes eyewitnesses unreliable?

eyewitnesses are well known to be unreliable, which is why if justice is to be done many are wanted. however, eyewitness testimony is better than nothing.

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