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The State of Florida vs George Zimmerman: The Trial

 
 
Frank Apisa
 
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Sat 24 Aug, 2013 05:16 am
@OmSigDAVID,
OmSigDAVID wrote:

Quote:
I guess you prefer him to hide in a closet and not come out
until people such as yourself have finished your hate cycle?
firefly wrote:
I don't care what Zimmerman does.

But if he chooses to continue to behave in ways that are provocative,
he will only continue to incite more negative feelings about him.
OmSigDAVID wrote:
Thay hate him already (a certain left-leaning low type of person). That will not change.
Its not likely that he wants their love.

I wanna THANK Zimmy for making Florida a safer place.





David


Frank Apisa wrote:
Using your "reasoning":

Aside from the irony of you making Florida a less safe place by moving there...
allow me to thank you for making New York a safer place by moving to Florida, David.
OmSigDAVID wrote:
James Madison allowed u to, Frank.

I really LOVE this place!!!





David


Frank Apisa wrote:
If you think so, David!

I really love this place also.
I lived in NY for well over half a century.
I was pleased to leave.
I feel like I live in a free country now.

However, I regret that we never met; wudda been fun.





David



Actually, we did meet...several years ago. I think it was at the 2nd Avenue Deli. Joe Nation was there, Roberta...and several others who were visiting town. We were at opposite ends of a long table...and were not able to talk. (The place was crowded...and the din was enormous.) In fact, I actually remember you attacking a turkey leg with unusual gusto.

There are some pictures of the meet somewhere...perhaps Roberta posted them. I think Blatham and Lola were there also...maybe they did. If I find 'em...I'll reference them.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Sat 24 Aug, 2013 06:20 am
@Frank Apisa,
Frank Apisa wrote:
Actually, we did meet...several years ago.
I think it was at the 2nd Avenue Deli. Joe Nation was there,
Roberta...and several others who were visiting town.
I see what u mean. Please forgive my memory.
Now, I remember that meeting.
A lady was visiting from Australia.



Frank Apisa wrote:
We were at opposite ends of a long table...
and were not able to talk.
Yea; a pity.


Frank Apisa wrote:
(The place was crowded...and the din was enormous.)
In fact, I actually remember you attacking a turkey leg
with unusual gusto.
Is that the one I shot 7 times,
after re-loading ?
I did not wanna give it a chance
to start beating my head against the floor.




BillRM
 
  1  
Sat 24 Aug, 2013 06:23 am
@Frank Apisa,
Quote:
This was someone stalking Martin. Someone who actually called the police to announce that he was stalking Martin.


You love the word stalking but in no way was it anything but following and please link to your claim 911 call to the police where some caller at the time claimed that poor Travyon was being stalk.

Oh and no matter what word you used Zimmerman was breaking no law in any way that night including by following Trayvon.

By Jury verdict the only one who broke the law was Trayvon forcing Zimmerman to used deadly force to save his life.
Frank Apisa
 
  2  
Sat 24 Aug, 2013 06:28 am
@OmSigDAVID,
OmSigDAVID wrote:

Frank Apisa wrote:
Actually, we did meet...several years ago.
I think it was at the 2nd Avenue Deli. Joe Nation was there,
Roberta...and several others who were visiting town.
I see what u mean. Please forgive my memory.
Now, I remember that meeting.
A lady was visiting from Australia.



Frank Apisa wrote:
We were at opposite ends of a long table...
and were not able to talk.
Yea; a pity.


Frank Apisa wrote:
(The place was crowded...and the din was enormous.)
In fact, I actually remember you attacking a turkey leg
with unusual gusto.
Is that the one I shot 7 times,
after re-loading ?
I did not wanna give it a chance
to start beating my head against the floor.
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Now that was funny, David.

Don't remember any shots...but I do remember you thoroughly enjoying that drumstick. The 2nd Av. Deli is world famous...and the food is excellent...although it is a bit more pricy than the deli's we have here in Jersey.
Frank Apisa
 
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Sat 24 Aug, 2013 06:30 am
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:

Quote:
This was someone stalking Martin. Someone who actually called the police to announce that he was stalking Martin.


You love the word stalking but in no way was it anything but following and please link to your claim 911 call to the police where some caller at the time claimed that poor Travyon was being stalk.

Oh and no matter what word you used Zimmerman was breaking no law in any way that night including by following Trayvon.

By Jury verdict the only one who broke the law was Trayvon forcing Zimmerman to used deadly force to save his life.


And juries are never wrong!

Zimmerman called and acknowledged he was stalking Martin. He may have had his reasons...which he may have considered good reasons...but there is no doubt that he was stalking Martin.

Obviously you cannot see that because of the blinders.
BillRM
 
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Sat 24 Aug, 2013 06:34 am
@Frank Apisa,
Quote:
Zimmerman called and acknowledged he was stalking Martin.


He used the word you love stalking instead of following?????!!!!?????

Sorry stalking in this case falsely imply following someone with ill intentions and there was no ill intentions in trying to get the police to check out what look like to him a likely would be robber.

The very fact of the deadly attacked that Trayvon launch against Zimmerman is proof enough that Zimmerman was right to have concerns about the young man.
Frank Apisa
 
  1  
Sat 24 Aug, 2013 06:40 am
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:

Quote:
Zimmerman called and acknowledged he was stalking Martin.


He used the word you love stalking instead of following?????!!!!?????

Sorry stalking in this case falsely imply following someone with ill intentions and there was no ill intentions in trying to get the police to check out what look like to him a likely would be robber.

The very fact of the deadly attacked that Trayvon launch against Zimmerman is proof enough that Zimmerman was right to have concerns about the young man.


Stalking is what Zimmerman was doing.

The person he was stalking, was Trayvon Martin.

Get rid of the blinders, Bill. You'll easily be able to see it.

BillRM
 
  0  
Sat 24 Aug, 2013 06:53 am
@OmSigDAVID,
David it is a good thing that it was neither one of us who was the subject of the two groups of black teenagers deadly attacks that is just in the news.

Instead of simply dying if we would have dare instead to used deadly force to protected ourselves it would have been another Zimmerman case.

Can you see the new media pulling out pictures of cute smiling children that we have gun down and Sharpton taking a private jet down to lead rallies of no more black children being killed by evil white racists who must have provoked the attacks in some manner so we could enjoyed shooting these children down.
OmSigDAVID
 
  0  
Sat 24 Aug, 2013 06:57 am
@BillRM,
Well, a man 's gotta do
what a man 's gotta do.
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BillRM
 
  1  
Sat 24 Aug, 2013 06:57 am
@Frank Apisa,
So when a citizen follow someone to be able to guide the police to them they are stalking?

If you see a hit and run and chase after the car you are stalking the people in that car for example?

Never known that the word stalking have such positive meanings.
OmSigDAVID
 
  0  
Sat 24 Aug, 2013 07:01 am
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:
So when a citizen follow someone to be able to guide the police to them they are stalking?

If you see a hit and run and chase after the car you are stalking the people in that car for example?

Never known that the word stalking have such positive meanings.
Agreed. I believe that stalking
precedes pouncing.
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Frank Apisa
 
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Sat 24 Aug, 2013 07:03 am
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:

So when a citizen follow someone to be able to guide the police to them they are stalking?

If you see a hit and run and chase after the car you are stalking the people in that car for example?

Never known that the word stalking have such positive meanings.


Knowing what you know now...and still taking the avenue you are taking, Bill...is one of the most digusting things I can conceive of.

Zimmerman STALKED a young man...and when the young man (who had plenty of reason to be fearful) confronted him...he shot him to death.

Wake the hell up.

firefly
 
  1  
Sat 24 Aug, 2013 07:12 am
@BillRM,
Quote:
and there was no ill intentions in trying to get the police to check out what look like to him a likely would be robber...

There was nothing wrong with calling the police.

What was wrong was Zimmerman not remaining in his vehicle until the police arrived, and choosing instead to stalk his "suspect". And, in doing that, he violated the rules for a neighborhood watch, and disregarded the advisement of a police dispatcher.

There was no legitimate need or necessity for Zimmerman to stalk Martin--there was no crime in progress, nothing urgent was going on.

And what "likely would be robber" would be just walking around, talking on a cell phone, at 7 pm on a Sunday evening, where he could be easily observed inside this private gated community? Since when is walking around and talking on a cell phone indicative of someone who is a likely burglar?
Quote:
Sorry stalking in this case falsely imply following someone with ill intentions...

Stalking is the correct word to use. And, from Rachel Jeantel, we know that Zimmerman's behavior placed Martin in fear.
Quote:
Stalking is unwanted or obsessive attention by an individual or group toward another person. Stalking behaviors are related to harassment and intimidation and may include following the victim in person or monitoring them....

According to a 2002 report by the National Center for Victims of Crime, "Virtually any unwanted contact between two people [that intends] to directly or indirectly communicates a threat or places the victim in fear can be considered stalking"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stalking

Quote:
The very fact of the deadly attacked that Trayvon launch against Zimmerman is proof enough that Zimmerman was right to have concerns about the young man.

No, idiot. It's the other way around. The fact Zimmerman wound up shooting and killing him is proof enough that Martin had reason to fear this creepy guy who was stalking him in the dark, and who never identified himself....



BillRM
 
  1  
Sat 24 Aug, 2013 07:20 am
@Frank Apisa,
Quote:
Zimmerman STALKED a young man...and when the young man (who had plenty of reason to be fearful) confronted him...he shot him to death.


When he knocked Zimmerman to the ground and got on top of him trying to pound his brains out on the sidewalk Zimmerman shot and killed his attacker in legal self defense in fact by one statement of a law professor it is a text book example of legal self defense.

By the way I can not picture myself attacking someone for following me or in your words stalling me on the public streets so my question to you is would you have turn and attacked someone following you in such a manner?

Your claims that Trayvon was in some state of fear instead of just being annoyed would also had been boasted if he had used the cell phone in his hands to call 911 himself by the way....LOL
hawkeye10
 
  1  
Sat 24 Aug, 2013 07:28 am
@Frank Apisa,
I see the stalking of suspicious folk as the act of good citizenry, certainly it is not a knock on Zimmerman.
firefly
 
  2  
Sat 24 Aug, 2013 07:31 am
@BillRM,
Quote:
Your claims that Trayvon was in some state of fear instead of just being annoyed would also had been boasted if he had used the cell phone in his hands to call 911 himself by the way....LOL

Your claims that Zimmerman had benign intentions when he followed Martin would have been boosted if Zimmerman had not wound up shooting and killing him.

How this child should have responded to the fear is not relevant. Zimmerman, the ostensibly "responsible adult" was the one who recklessly put that innocent child in a state of fear by stalking him in the dark, for no apparent reason, and by never identifying himself.

The last thing Rachel Jeantel heard Martin say, to Zimmerman, was, "Get off me." Zimmerman was the aggressor, and the instigator--he provoked everything that happened that night. He caused the needless and avoidable death of Trayvon Martin.
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BillRM
 
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Sat 24 Aug, 2013 07:32 am
@hawkeye10,
Quote:
I see the stalking of suspicious folk as the act of good citizenry, certainly it is not a knock on Zimmerman.


I never knew that the word stalking can be used in such a positive manner until David informed me that the word can be used for a good citizen following a possible criminal to guide the police to him or her to be check out.
firefly
 
  2  
Sat 24 Aug, 2013 07:40 am
@BillRM,
Quote:
I never knew that the word stalking can be used in such a positive manner..

Since you are only marginally literate, that's not surprising.

And there was nothing positive in Zimmerman's stalking of Martin, without ever identifying himself. It was a reckless act of poor judgment that was contrary to neighborhood watch rules and the advisement of a police despatcher. And it resulted in the needless death of a fearful and innocent child.

You continue to prove you are a...

http://www.mobileapples.com/Assets/Content/Wallpapers/Village_Idiot.jpg
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Frank Apisa
 
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Sat 24 Aug, 2013 07:46 am
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:

Quote:
Zimmerman STALKED a young man...and when the young man (who had plenty of reason to be fearful) confronted him...he shot him to death.


When he knocked Zimmerman to the ground and got on top of him trying to pound his brains out on the sidewalk Zimmerman shot and killed his attacker in legal self defense in fact by one statement of a law professor it is a text book example of legal self defense.

By the way I can not picture myself attacking someone for following me or in your words stalling me on the public streets so my question to you is would you have turn and attacked someone following you in such a manner?

Your claims that Trayvon was in some state of fear instead of just being annoyed would also had been boasted if he had used the cell phone in his hands to call 911 himself by the way....LOL


I truly want you to know that I do not dislike you for this immature, unfeeling stance of yours...it is pity I feel.
Frank Apisa
 
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Sat 24 Aug, 2013 07:47 am
@hawkeye10,
hawkeye10 wrote:

I see the stalking of suspicious folk as the act of good citizenry, certainly it is not a knock on Zimmerman.


Sure you do. And if it were done with you or your kid...you would be just as understanding.

C'mon.
 

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