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The State of Florida vs George Zimmerman: The Trial

 
 
cicerone imposter
 
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Fri 23 Aug, 2013 03:37 pm
@spendius,
You wrote,
Quote:
Racial bigotry is felt. blah, blah, blah.... In the blood.


You are really ignorant. Bigotry is learned from one's environment; usually from the parents and peers.

Many who grew up getting brain-washed into racial bigotry later learned it was wrong, ignorant, and without any common sense.

You belong in that group.

firefly
 
  1  
Fri 23 Aug, 2013 03:42 pm
@spendius,
Quote:
The case is a cause celebre precisely because of the opposition of Time and Space..

I consider this case a cause celebre because it highlights the flawed self-defense laws, including Stand Your Ground, in Florida and other states with SYG laws, that allow people to get away with murder.

Baldimo
 
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Fri 23 Aug, 2013 03:56 pm
@firefly,
It isn't flawed when you are getting attacked. I guess getting attacked doesn't count. Even if you were just following someone, that someone shouldn't just turn around and start throwing blows. Self-defense is used to defend yourself from attack. Evidence shows Martin was the only one doing any attacking. Zimmerman might have been following Martin but following someone isn't enough reason to attack them.

If you can prove that Zimmerman did more than just follow Martin then we might have something but evidence in the trial does not support those findings.

I guess we will continue to go through this until the Martins file that civil lawsuit against Zimmerman. If no civil lawsuit gets filed then we know Martin wasn't as innocent as you would like to think he was.
cicerone imposter
 
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Fri 23 Aug, 2013 04:06 pm
@Baldimo,
You're over-doing the word "attacked." Nobody really knows for sure who attacked whom? You're arriving at conclusions not in the evidence during trial.

Your imagination only proves how stupid you are!
eurocelticyankee
 
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Fri 23 Aug, 2013 04:14 pm
Simple as this.

If Zimmerman was black and that young man he murdered was white he'd be on death row now.
I've no doubt about that and that says it all.


PS, I hear Zimbabwe is sending over officials to monitor Florida's next elections.
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firefly
 
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Fri 23 Aug, 2013 04:24 pm
@Baldimo,
Quote:
I guess we will continue to go through this until the Martins file that civil lawsuit against Zimmerman. If no civil lawsuit gets filed then we know Martin wasn't as innocent as you would like to think he was.

No, if no civil lawsuit is filed it could be because there is nothing to be gained monetarily from filing it--the only punitive action in such a suit is monetary. Zimmerman was in heavy debt before the shooting--and he's been living on handouts since the shooting. So, what would be the point of the suit?

If Zimmerman stands to profit through book deals or movie deals or things of that nature, there would be more reason to institute a civil suit, to keep him from profiting from this death.

Zimmerman did cause a totally needless and avoidable death. There was no legitimate reason for him to have followed Martin--his actions were reckless, impulsive, and showed disregard for Martin's welfare. That's the grounds for a civil suit--he caused a wrongful death. You can't blame Martin for the fact that Zimmerman was stalking him in the dark--it was Zimmerman who was solely responsible for creating the conditions that led to Martin's death. That's why, in a great many states, he would have been found guilty of manslaughter, just as the police wanted to charge him the night of the shooting.

The grounds are there for a civil suit, but unless Zimmerman starts making some money, the suit would be pointless. I can't imagine why Martin's parents would put themselves through the emotional ordeal of another trial unless there is some logical reason to do so.
RABEL222
 
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Fri 23 Aug, 2013 04:38 pm
@firefly,
Maybe all the gun nuts could send Zimmerman $100 apiece untill he had several million dollars than a civil suite would be worth while.
spendius
 
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Fri 23 Aug, 2013 05:09 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Quote:
You belong in that group.


I belong in no group.

And certainly not one that uses the word "many" as you just did. Nor one that equally sneakily evades the question raised thinking, no doubt blissfully, that nobody is noticing.

The last battle is the Blood against Money. I'll bet on the blood.

How could a real evolutionist not do?

The joke is that Americans are the production of intelligent design and racism is out of the question in an intelligently designed melting pot.
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BillRM
 
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Fri 23 Aug, 2013 05:27 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Quote:
Your imagination only proves how stupid you!


Along with the jury and most legal experts that had look at the matter.
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BillRM
 
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Fri 23 Aug, 2013 05:28 pm
@RABEL222,
Quote:
Maybe all the gun nuts could send Zimmerman $100 apiece untill he had several million dollars than a civil suite would be worth while.


Already send him double that amount for his legal defense fund.

But I to would love to see a civil suit where all the information concerning the young innocent child would come out under oath in open court.

Been wondering as a matter of fact if there would be any way for Zimmerman to go after that million dollars or so payday that the Trayvon family gotten from the Home owner association.
firefly
 
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Fri 23 Aug, 2013 06:33 pm
@BillRM,
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But I to would love to see a civil suit where all the information concerning the young innocent child would come out under oath in open court.

And absolutely nothing would emerge to justify Zimmerman's stalking that child in the dark...

That innocent child was engaged in no unlawful activity, and he wasn't bothering anyone, when Zimmerman, in disregard of both neighborhood watch rules, and the advisement of a police dispatcher, recklessly and impulsively began pursuing this child in the dark, with complete disregard for that child's welfare....

That's the wrongful death case, dummy. An adult, with a loaded gun, began stalking an unarmed minor, in the darkness of a private gated community, for no legitimate objective reason or necessity, and, in so doing, he caused and created the conditions that led to that minor's unnecessary and wrongful death...Had Zimmerman not followed him, Trayvon Martin would not be dead. Therefore, Zimmerman, through his own impulsive and reckless actions, caused the wrongful death of a minor who was engaged in no illegal activity of any sort.

And, in a civil suit, Zimmerman would have to take the stand. I don't think he'll be able to adequately explain why he was unable to sit in his vehicle and just wait for the police to show up...there was no crime in progress, and there was no urgency. It was Zimmerman's unjustified pursuit of this child that led to that child's death.

And then, of course, there's the issue of Zimmerman firing a gun during a scuffle with an unarmed person, even though he had sustained such minor injuries he didn't even require Band-Aids, let alone any follow-up medical treatment...

I think a civil wrongful death suit will be a no-brainer in favor of the plaintiffs. But, unless Zimmerman gets his hands on some money, there isn't much point in lodging such a suit.
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BillRM
 
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Fri 23 Aug, 2013 07:17 pm
Anybody else been wondering where Al Sharpton and Jackson had been when we have three white teenagers in the news killing a black guy from Australia or then two white teenagers killing a black WW2 war vet? An we have firearms involved also!!!!!!!

Oh sorry the teenagers are black and the victims are white so of course we are not going to hear from those assholes.

The victims must had provoked them as Zimmerman provoked Trayvon.

At least they did the right thing and allowed themselves to be killed as we can not have any more poor black "children" killed now can we?
OmSigDAVID
 
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Sat 24 Aug, 2013 04:04 am
@firefly,
Quote:
I guess you prefer him to hide in a closet and not come out
until people such as yourself have finished your hate cycle?
firefly wrote:
I don't care what Zimmerman does.

But if he chooses to continue to behave in ways that are provocative,
he will only continue to incite more negative feelings about him.
Thay hate him already (a certain left-leaning low type of person). That will not change.
Its not likely that he wants their love.

I wanna THANK Zimmy for making Florida a safer place.





David
Frank Apisa
 
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Sat 24 Aug, 2013 04:05 am
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:

Quote:
In short, would you have provoked an attack by seemingly menacing a young man the way Zimmerman did?


PROVOKED an attack!!!!!!!


What nonsense maybe you would assault someone following you on the public streets but I question if most non hoodlums would consider such actions a license to launch an attacked on the follower.

Oh Trayvon feel so very menace by Zimmerman he did not call home or call 911 or just keep walking instead he turn an attacked

I love you wishing to grant a license to Trayvon to attacked someone for following him but on the other hand you wish to take away Zimmerman right to defend his very life after being attack.

Try to come back to consciousness, Bill.

This was not someone just following Martin on a public street. This was someone stalking Martin. Someone who actually called the police to announce that he was stalking Martin.

Wake the hell up.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Sat 24 Aug, 2013 04:14 am
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:
I don't think Zimmerman has the mental capacity to understand
what he has done wrong and continue to exacerbate his own negative image.
Yea, that 's what U "don't think"
but u r the same guy who wrote "Snowdon [sic] is a dummy",
spelling his name rong, while u accuse HIM of being the "dummy".
That was humorous.

The jury did not have the "mental capacity" to understand
what Zimmy did rong, either.


( I expect some remarx concerning fonetic spelling
in reply to this. )





David
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Frank Apisa
 
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Sat 24 Aug, 2013 04:20 am
@OmSigDAVID,
OmSigDAVID wrote:

Quote:
I guess you prefer him to hide in a closet and not come out
until people such as yourself have finished your hate cycle?
firefly wrote:
I don't care what Zimmerman does.

But if he chooses to continue to behave in ways that are provocative,
he will only continue to incite more negative feelings about him.
Thay hate him already (a certain left-leaning low type of person). That will not change.
Its not likely that he wants their love.

I wanna THANK Zimmy for making Florida a safer place.





David



Using your "reasoning":

Aside from the irony of you making Florida a less safe place by moving there...allow me to thank you for making New York a safer place by moving to Florida, David.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Sat 24 Aug, 2013 04:43 am
@firefly,
firefly wrote:
Blah, blah, blah...

You're weaving fantasies again...
Anti-liberal ones ?




firefly wrote:
It was Zimmerman who provoked the entire situation by following Martin.
That was really very nice of him,
expending the effort to protect his nabors, like Olivia, from burglary.





firefly wrote:
Martin was, in fact, minding his own business.
Burglary?? Pre-burglary?


firefly wrote:
George Zimmerman's past history certainly suggests he provokes people
He provoked U, huh ?


firefly wrote:
and actively elicits hostile reactions toward himself,
based on his own instigating behaviors. He certainly did that with the judge at his bail hearing...

It's entirely believable and plausible that he instigated and provoked
whatever negative response he got from Trayvon Martin--
That is a descriptive assertion concerning
your state of mind.




firefly wrote:
and that Zimmerman deserved that negative response,
just as he deserved the reaction he got from the judge.

Truthfully, if that judge could have punched Zimmerman in the nose,
I think he would have done that. The judge was furious at Zimmerman, and his wife.
That sounds like he had terrible judicial temperament; unfit for his judicial office ?





David

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OmSigDAVID
 
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Sat 24 Aug, 2013 04:50 am
@Frank Apisa,
Quote:
I guess you prefer him to hide in a closet and not come out
until people such as yourself have finished your hate cycle?
firefly wrote:
I don't care what Zimmerman does.

But if he chooses to continue to behave in ways that are provocative,
he will only continue to incite more negative feelings about him.
OmSigDAVID wrote:
Thay hate him already (a certain left-leaning low type of person). That will not change.
Its not likely that he wants their love.

I wanna THANK Zimmy for making Florida a safer place.





David


Frank Apisa wrote:
Using your "reasoning":

Aside from the irony of you making Florida a less safe place by moving there...
allow me to thank you for making New York a safer place by moving to Florida, David.
James Madison allowed u to, Frank.

I really LOVE this place!!!





David
Frank Apisa
 
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Sat 24 Aug, 2013 04:52 am
@OmSigDAVID,
OmSigDAVID wrote:

Quote:
I guess you prefer him to hide in a closet and not come out
until people such as yourself have finished your hate cycle?
firefly wrote:
I don't care what Zimmerman does.

But if he chooses to continue to behave in ways that are provocative,
he will only continue to incite more negative feelings about him.
OmSigDAVID wrote:
Thay hate him already (a certain left-leaning low type of person). That will not change.
Its not likely that he wants their love.

I wanna THANK Zimmy for making Florida a safer place.





David


Frank Apisa wrote:
Using your "reasoning":

Aside from the irony of you making Florida a less safe place by moving there...
allow me to thank you for making New York a safer place by moving to Florida, David.
James Madison allowed u to, Frank.

I really LOVE this place!!!





David


If you think so, David!

I really love this place also.
OmSigDAVID
 
  1  
Sat 24 Aug, 2013 04:59 am
@Frank Apisa,
Quote:
I guess you prefer him to hide in a closet and not come out
until people such as yourself have finished your hate cycle?
firefly wrote:
I don't care what Zimmerman does.

But if he chooses to continue to behave in ways that are provocative,
he will only continue to incite more negative feelings about him.
OmSigDAVID wrote:
Thay hate him already (a certain left-leaning low type of person). That will not change.
Its not likely that he wants their love.

I wanna THANK Zimmy for making Florida a safer place.





David


Frank Apisa wrote:
Using your "reasoning":

Aside from the irony of you making Florida a less safe place by moving there...
allow me to thank you for making New York a safer place by moving to Florida, David.
OmSigDAVID wrote:
James Madison allowed u to, Frank.

I really LOVE this place!!!





David


Frank Apisa wrote:
If you think so, David!

I really love this place also.
I lived in NY for well over half a century.
I was pleased to leave.
I feel like I live in a free country now.

However, I regret that we never met; wudda been fun.





David
 

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