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The State of Florida vs George Zimmerman: The Trial

 
 
firefly
 
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Sat 17 Aug, 2013 12:31 pm
@BillRM,
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Hispanics such as Zimmerman???

No, the Hispanics, like Zimmerman, who look white, and who have names like "Zimmerman" are not generally among those who get ethnically profiled.

Unfortunately, those who look like Trayvon Martin often do get profiled, just as he was, even those who later go on to become President of the United States.

https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/p480x480/968828_625019734184614_1965621813_n.jpghttp://3.bp.blogspot.com/-KSI5RGUVLDw/UZ-UoJ7qutI/AAAAAAAAN1o/9jVSibxkSTE/s320/Trayvon+Martin+about+a+week+before+he+was+killed.jpg
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ossobuco
 
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Sat 17 Aug, 2013 12:32 pm
I officially give up. I tend to look at this thread once a day and as many as ten pages of the same people arguing repetitively have sailed on by.
I used to read a2k for some breaking news and reactions to it, but soon enough grooves are ground in for cyclical or double helix type take this! no, you take that! Maw feeding back and forth.

I'll learn to just read enough pages to get a round of different opinions and then back away.
BillRM
 
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Sat 17 Aug, 2013 12:51 pm
By the way when I was a young man there was a novel that came out call "The Man" where the chain of presidential succession took a large hit when a roof in Europe fell in during a Presidential tour ,killing not only the then President and the Vic president but a numbers of others in the chain of succession at the same time.

Turn out that the next surviving person in the chain happen to be a black man and the book then deal with both him and the country dealing with this event.

It would be interesting to get a copy of that book as it portrait a very foreign nation and people from what we had become in just two generations.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Man_(1964_novel)

Plot introduction[edit source | editbeta]

As a novel, The Man — written before the 25th Amendment to the national Constitution — begins, the Vice-Presidency is vacant, because of the incumbent's death. Then, while overseas in Germany, the President and the Speaker of the House suffer a freak accident; the President is killed, the Speaker of the House later dies in surgery. The Presidency then devolves onto Douglass Dilman, the President Pro Tempore of the Senate, a black man earlier elected to that office in deference to racial tokenism.

At the time of writing, more than four decades before the election of Barack Obama, Wallace clearly could not conceive of a Black person actually contesting the elections and winning the Presidency; he assumed that it could only happen through a freak combination of completely unforeseen circumstances. And at the end of the book the protagonist - though having credibly dealt with considerable problems during his Presidency and gained some popularity - does not consider running for re-election.

Plot summary[edit source | editbeta]

President Douglass Dilman's presidency is marked by white racists, black political activists, and an attempted assassination. Later, he is impeached on false charges for firing the United States Secretary of State. Moreover, racially, one of his children, "passing" for white, also is targeted and harassed.

Allusions and references to current history, geography, and science[edit source | editbeta]

The impeachment trial of President Douglass Dilman closely parallels that of President Andrew Johnson (at the time the only Presidential impeachment proceedings to reach the articles stage, before Richard Nixon in 1974 and Bill Clinton in 1998).




gungasnake
 
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Sat 17 Aug, 2013 07:57 pm
@BillRM,
****, you could have those fuckers all wiped out down to Obunga's dog and cat and declare the dog or the cat president and we'd still be better off than we are now...
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gungasnake
 
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Sun 18 Aug, 2013 07:54 am
One way to be better off than we are:

OmSigDAVID
 
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Sun 18 Aug, 2013 08:24 am
@gungasnake,

but, please: not a Marxist cat or dog
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firefly
 
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Sun 18 Aug, 2013 11:03 am
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It Says Here On Your Résumé, Mr. Zimmerman, That You Shot A Boy?
Aug 16, 2013
By Bryan Timmons, Regional Manager

Well, George, it looks here like you’ve got a lot of good work experience. Strong references. Proficiency in the Microsoft Office suite. And you’re bilingual, which is a huge plus. I’d say on paper you’re certainly qualified for this position. But before we move any further, Mr. Zimmerman, I just have a quick question about one of these items from February 2012. It says here that you shot a boy?

Sorry, I’m just looking here and it says you shot and killed a child?

Hmm, I’d definitely like to delve into that a tad more. Just to make sure that we cover all of our bases before I go and have a chat with the higher-ups. Standard interview procedure.

So, George, I see the shooting occurred during an altercation near a house the boy was visiting, and if I’m correct, the boy would have been 17 at the time? That would make him a minor then, wouldn’t it. Well, I have to say, George, you’re the first applicant we’ve ever received who’s taken the life of a teenager before.

Let me just jot that down in the margin here.

I do appreciate that you’ve listed all of your prior experience, though. I see here you once applied to be a police officer in Virginia, and you took a class that discussed self-defense training. You also recently did a stint as a neighborhood watchman in Sanford, Florida, where you monitored a gated community called The Retreat at Twin Lakes.

That sounds like a nice place to live.

You know what, let’s circle back to you shooting a boy. Let’s see, it says here that the young man was African-American? There wasn’t a racial element to this shooting, was there, George? Because I could definitely see that being a bit of a problem.

I’m not going to lie to you, HR will probably need to take a second look at this after lunch today.

George, forgive me, I’m just asking—and keep in mind this won’t be the only thing that influences the outcome of the interview one way or the other—but I guess my number-one question would be why you shot a boy.

I mean, because even if he made the first move, it says here in your cover letter...wait, let me find it...ah, here it is. It says that he was unarmed? Is that true? So, not only did you shoot a boy, but you shot an unarmed boy? I’m just going to note that, too.

I’ve got to say, hiring you is shaping up to be a pretty tough sell to the higher-ups, George. If I’m trying to convince my boss that we should bring you on, I guess I could make the argument that, on one hand, it’s admirable you showed some initiative to protect the community. But, on the other hand, you shot a child. And my boss is a pretty perceptive guy, so he’ll probably ask if you were fearing for your life so much so that it was absolutely necessary to shoot an unarmed teenage boy at point-blank range.

George, I’m not an expert or anything, but I have to say it kind of sounds like you murdered someone.

Actually, from the looks of it, it definitely was murder. So am I reading this right? You’re a murderer? You’re a murderer applying for a job?

I don’t know if I can hire a murderer, George.

Wait, no, now I get it. That year-and-a-half gap we discussed earlier makes sense. I just had to connect the dots on your résumé for a second. You murdered someone and you were on trial for the killing. But you were found innocent, so, technically, you’re not a murderer. Otherwise you wouldn’t be sitting here, of course. You weren’t deemed a murderer by the state. So, on the record, you’re not a murderer. But off the record, you are. Okay, got it. Well, that makes everything a lot easier on my end.

Whew. In that case, I guess everything checks out for me. Thank you so much for coming in; we’ll get back to you in a couple of days.

http://www.theonion.com/articles/it-says-here-on-your-resume-mr-zimmerman-that-you,33516/
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MontereyJack
 
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Sun 18 Aug, 2013 01:57 pm
Well, that is from the Onion, of course, so it's humor. Sort of. But my guess is that that's going to be pretty much typical of George Zimmerman's career from here on out. He shat in his own bed, now he'll have to lie in it. Deservedly so.
cicerone imposter
 
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Sun 18 Aug, 2013 02:01 pm
@MontereyJack,
I wonder how anyone survives after killing an innocent child?

firefly
 
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Sun 18 Aug, 2013 02:19 pm
@cicerone imposter,
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I wonder how anyone survives after killing an innocent child?

You tell yourself it's, "Part of God's plan." Rolling Eyes That's what Zimmerman told Sean Hannity.

http://media.cagle.com/147/2012/07/21/115564_600.jpg

Even in retrospect, now knowing that Trayvon Martin was a house guest in that housing complex, Zimmerman said he would not do anything differently if he had it to do over. So, the asshole would still get out of his car again, and go stalking an innocent children in the dark again...with a loaded gun.

This man takes no responsibility for his serious errors in judgment, and he fails to learn from his errors in judgment. He should not be walking around with a gun.

cicerone imposter
 
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Sun 18 Aug, 2013 02:34 pm
@firefly,
Who worries about terrorists when we have Zimmerman?
BillRM
 
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Sun 18 Aug, 2013 03:05 pm
@cicerone imposter,
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I wonder how anyone survives after killing an innocent child?


Who killed an innocent child?

If you by some silliness mean Trayvon well in Zimmerman place I could had killed him and then had a good night sleep afterward.

But you can not mean Trayvon as he was neither a child nor innocent but a hoodlum that try to killed or greatly harm another person for no good reason.
BillRM
 
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Sun 18 Aug, 2013 03:08 pm
@cicerone imposter,
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Who worries about terrorists when we have Zimmerman?


You mean the terrorists that had stated that they wish to find the jury members who had declared Zimmerman not guilty and not only killed them but killed their children also?
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panzade
 
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Sun 18 Aug, 2013 03:09 pm
@ossobuco,
osso wrote
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I officially give up.

The bile and racism in this thread is...beyond my comprehension.
I'm turning it off.
BillRM
 
  0  
Sun 18 Aug, 2013 03:58 pm
@panzade,
A agree there is one hell of a lot of reverse racism in this thread.

firefly
 
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Sun 18 Aug, 2013 04:11 pm
http://www.mrconservative.com/files/2013/07/Screen-shot-2013-07-14-at-12.08.07-AM1.png
firefly
 
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Sun 18 Aug, 2013 04:37 pm
@BillRM,
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If you by some silliness mean Trayvon well in Zimmerman place I could had killed him and then had a good night sleep afterward.

http://media.cagle.com/125/2013/07/26/135186_600.jpg

firefly
 
  0  
Sun 18 Aug, 2013 04:40 pm
@BillRM,
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7234/7155368121_5e6e54a191.jpg
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cicerone imposter
 
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Sun 18 Aug, 2013 04:55 pm
@firefly,
I watched Tuskegee Airmen about the black pilots during WWII. It's such a well made movie - from a true story - that I had a knot in my throat most of the time throughout the movie.

Not only was a senator against them (racial bigotry at its worst), but the major who was in charge of their training wasn't exactly a fair-minded guy.

What they proved during WWII was that they were better pilots than most other "white" pilots who served as escorts to bombers in Europe. They won more medals than any other flight group, and never lost a bomber in all the campaigns in which they served.

A great movie that I highly recommend. I know I'm gonna watch it again.
BillRM
 
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Sun 18 Aug, 2013 05:46 pm
@cicerone imposter,
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I watched Tuskegee Airmen about the black pilots during WWII. It's such a well made movie - from a true story


I been meaning to watch that movie myself for some time but what is the connections other then skin color between those war heroes and a hoodlum?

Off hand, I can not see any of those airmen assaulting Zimmerman that night.
 

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