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The State of Florida vs George Zimmerman: The Trial

 
 
BillRM
 
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Fri 16 Aug, 2013 01:08 pm
@gungasnake,
Lord there is no question that I would welcome the man and his family as it nice having a neighbor that you know will get involved if needed.

Can not think of a more outstanding citizen in every way.

My bet would be that Firefly would not stop to rend aid to someone in an overturn SUV or take many hours of her free times to help protected her neighbors properties.


cicerone imposter
 
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Fri 16 Aug, 2013 01:21 pm
@gungasnake,
Your attempt at word parsing is about your speed when it ignores the total message.

The message is quite clear to those who understand straight-forward English.

Your imagination is only exceeded by your total ignorance.
spendius
 
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Fri 16 Aug, 2013 01:25 pm
@BillRM,
One might overturn a SUV on purpose, in order to rescue someone, as a PR stunt, if one was up against it.
BillRM
 
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Fri 16 Aug, 2013 01:40 pm
@spendius,
Quote:
One might overturn a SUV on purpose, in order to rescue someone, as a PR stunt, if one was up against it.


LOL I am sure that finding a family with children willing to do that is not a problem at all. Not a problem either faking an accident on a highway in daylight with two children in the SUV.

You just placed an adv on craiglist but then the moon landings was a fake and Obama was not born in Hawaii either.

firefly
 
  -1  
Fri 16 Aug, 2013 02:11 pm
@BillRM,
Quote:
Lord there is no question that I would welcome the man and his family as it nice having a neighbor that you know will get involved if needed.

Can not think of a more outstanding citizen in every way.

That's because you have lousy judgment, and you're just as morally deficient as Zimmerman is, if you think that someone who brazenly lies to a court, and conceals evidence from a judge, and who is arrested for assaulting a law enforcement officer, and whose ex-fiancée got a restraining order against him, is an "outstanding citizen"
Quote:
as it nice having a neighbor that you know will get involved if needed...

So why didn't it occur to him that Martin might be ill, or lost, and in need of assistance when he saw him wandering around? Why did he only interpret Martin's behavior as being indicative of possible criminal activity? Why didn't he drive over and ask Martin if he needed help?

And I doubt you'd consider him a "good neighbor" when he erroneously profiles one of your house guests, and then winds up killing him.

I don't think the homeowners association of that housing complex regarded him as a "wonderful neighbor" when they paid out a $1 million+ settlement to Trayvon Martin's parents.

And, given the fact that Zimmerman's cousin has accused him of sexually molesting her for 10 years, starting when she was 6 years old, I don't think you'd want this "outstanding citizen" getting involved with any little girls in the neighborhood....

You have lousy judgment, and you're just as morally deficient as Zimmerman, probably even more morally deficient than he is.

All you've ever convinced anyone at A2K of is that you are a...
http://www.mobileapples.com/Assets/Content/Wallpapers/Village_Idiot.jpg
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spendius
 
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Fri 16 Aug, 2013 02:23 pm
@BillRM,
Well--Bill, we do seem to be in cloud cuckoo land on here so I thought I would contribute to the zeitgeist.

Things like that have been done. It's not that far-fetched. Not as far-fetched as believing every word of Mr Zimmerman's explanation of the event with the other party not being here to contradict him. A life in clink on the stocks.

I think the moon landings were genuine and I'm not bothered where Mr Obarmy was born. Where ever it was hot air was in the DNA.

firefly
 
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Fri 16 Aug, 2013 02:24 pm
@spendius,
Someone should remind BillRM that Trayvon Martin rescued his father from a fire when he was only 9 years old. His father accidently started a kitchen fire while cooking, and Trayvon dragged his father, who was so badly burned on his legs that he could not walk, out of the house. Tracy Martin spent quite a long time in the hospital recovering from his burn injuries.

That's a lot more impressive than Zimmerman just "helping" an uninjured family exit their overturned vehicle--and he wasn't the only person on the scene who helped them do that. And Zimmerman made sure he'd receive publicity for doing it. If it wasn't a PR stunt to begin with, he sure turned it into one.

Zimmerman is still a child killer, regardless of whatever else he does.
BillRM
 
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Fri 16 Aug, 2013 03:07 pm
@spendius,
Quote:
Things like that have been done. It's not that far-fetched


It is very very very far fetched staging an accident with children upside down in an SUB in a middle of a highway with traffic in daylight and doing it well enough to fool the highway patrol that are used to investigating highway accidents.

It right up there with faking the moon landings.
spendius
 
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Fri 16 Aug, 2013 03:20 pm
@BillRM,
I assume that when the HP got there the SUV was on its side. The HP would be interested in the kick-back, assuming no injuries or disputes, from the rescue company they called out to shift the wreck.

I'm not saying it wasn't a genuine accident. And you can't say it was. It's just that it was very convenient seeing as SUVs don't roll over so often in front of a person so prominent in the news and to whom the outcome was so satisfactory.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Fri 16 Aug, 2013 03:21 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:
Your attempt at word parsing is about your speed when it ignores the total message.

The message is quite clear to those who understand straight-forward English.

Your imagination is only exceeded by your total ignorance.
C. I., the hateful invective that u direct against Gunga
shud be hurled at www.Englishpage.com
from whence he obtained the analysis that threw u into semi-hysteria.

The super-English expert, C. I., thinks he knows much better
than the professional grammarians, who are in "total ignorance."
He thinks he is better than Google for giving answers.
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hawkeye10
 
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Fri 16 Aug, 2013 03:25 pm
@firefly,
firefly wrote:



Zimmerman is still a child killer, regardless of whatever else he does.

17 year old black males are almost never considered children by the justice system. it is not clear to me that we should either.
BillRM
 
  1  
Fri 16 Aug, 2013 03:30 pm
@spendius,
Quote:
And you can't say it was


Yes I can say it was a real accident as the resources to stage such an accident in the middle of a highway with traffic involving children is way beyond the reach of Zimmerman or his supports.

With passing traffic I am not sure that Bill Grate could pull it off.

Now if it was on some secondary road with little or no traffic maybe possible but once more as it is it another theory of faking the moon landings.

I know that the Zimmerman haters will go far far away from reality to run him down but how silly can you get?
firefly
 
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Fri 16 Aug, 2013 03:33 pm
@hawkeye10,
Quote:
17 year old black males are almost never considered children by the justice system. it is not clear to me that we should either.

Who do you mean by "we"?

Posters, like gungasnake and BillRM, who have referred to this minor as a "walking piece of ****"? They're not even affording this child any degree of humanity, let alone respect for the value of his life.

And Trayvon Martin, unlike George Zimmerman, was never involved with the justice system.

He was 3 weeks past his 17th birthday. He was not even old enough to have purchased a pack of cigarettes, or a can of beer, at the 7/11 he shopped in, just before Zimmerman killed him.

Trayvon Martin was legally a child.

George Zimmerman is a child killer.
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BillRM
 
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Fri 16 Aug, 2013 03:35 pm
@hawkeye10,
Hawkeye if we give Firefly the emotional right to label poor Trayvon as a child just one year from adulthood she is right he is a child killer.

He have the legal right to killed this "child" due to this "child" own actions and frankly if you gave Firefly a gun and put her in the position of dying herself or killing this "child" my bet is that Trayvon would had just been as dead as he is now.
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firefly
 
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Fri 16 Aug, 2013 03:53 pm
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Playing ‘Games’ with Trayvon Martin’s image
By Jonathan Capehart,

Writing about the ‘rabid’ hate aimed at Trayvon Martin seems only to generate more hate. The view that the unarmed 17-year-old killed by George Zimmerman nearly a year ago was a thug who deserved to die is as strong as ever.

Many folks took issue with the picture I used yesterday and again today — that of a smiling, fresh-faced Trayvon wearing a red T-shirt from Hollister, the mass clothier of adolescence. Some think he’s as young as 11 years old or as old as 14 in that snapshot. Martin family attorney Benjamin Crump told me this afternoon that the slain teenager was 16 when that photo was taken in August 2011. Folks forget that, when he was killed, Trayvon had turned 17 just three weeks earlier. Trayvon would have been 18 years old yesterday. The most recent photo released by the family was of him on a horse wearing an orange T-shirt that was taken about a week before he was killed.

But one reader sent me an e-mail last night that was beyond ridiculous. “Why didn’t you show the up-to-date picture of Trayvon Martin as below instead of the one where he is much younger?” he asked. “I don’t take either side because I just don’t know all the facts, but what I do know is you can’t beat honest reporting.”

Until this morning, I had no idea who this man was. But last night, I let the letter writer have it. “You’re unbelievable,” I wrote. “Thanks to George Zimmerman, Trayvon Martin will never be as old as the man in that picture.” The e-mailer responded, “The photo was sent from someone who I believe is a trustworthy source. If that photo is not of Trayvon Martin, I apologize.”

If? As I pointed out in my final response, the man in that photo is twice the age of Trayvon. Also, the medical examiner’s autopsy on the teen revealed that he had two tattoos, one on the right arm and one of the left wrist.

Trustworthy source? Hardly. Whoever sent that photo to the letter writer is a pernicious peddler of lies. The man in that photo is the rapper Game — a fact I discovered from PolitiFact, which debunked the Game-as-Trayvon myth in July. Truth be told, that I had no idea who Game was should not come as a surprise. Rap isn’t my thing the way jazz or R&B is. This much I did know, Trayvon looked nothing like the 31-year-old pictured.

The letter writer and other people seem so eager to paint Trayvon as a thug, a wannabe gangsta, a monster who got what he deserved. Fake photos of Trayvon are all over the internet. The veracity of the one of him with gold teeth is still a question. When I asked Crump about it, he said flatly, “I have no idea.” But the answer to the question about the picture’s authenticity doesn’t matter.

Zimmerman knew nothing about Trayvon the night he killed him. Yet the neighborhood-watch volunteer thought he knew all about the unarmed teenager. He called the police to report “a real suspicious guy” and then followed Trayvon even after being told by a dispatcher on the non-emergency line at the Sanford, Fla., police department, “We don’t need you to do that.”

Ultimately, what does matter is why Zimmerman got out of his vehicle. As lead investigator Chris Serino wrote in his “capias” request seeking Zimmerman’s arrest for manslaughter, “The encounter between George Zimmerman and Trayvon Martin was ultimately avoidable by Zimmerman if Zimmerman had remained in his vehicle and awaited the arrival of law enforcement.”
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-partisan/wp/2013/02/06/playing-games-with-trayvon-martins-image/


Trayvon Martin was 16 when this photo was taken--7 months before he was killed. He was a child.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-partisan/files/2012/12/Neighborhood_Watch_Death-0931f_image.jpg

Snopes also has an article about fake photos of Trayvon that were circulated to make him look like a thug, or older than he was.
http://www.snopes.com/photos/politics/martin.asp
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gungasnake
 
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Fri 16 Aug, 2013 03:53 pm
@hawkeye10,
Trayvon was days away from an 18'th birthday when he died. He was nobody's child.
gungasnake
 
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Fri 16 Aug, 2013 03:55 pm
@BillRM,
Anybody claiming that highay rescue was faked is mentally ill.
hawkeye10
 
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Fri 16 Aug, 2013 03:59 pm
@gungasnake,
it was really sad that those he saved did not want to say anything nice about Zimmerman because they dont approve of his actions when confronted with Martin. There is something to be said for giving credit where credit is due regardless of your personal emotional state.

edit: btw we see this same BS here, for instance when IdiotBill said that no one should ever talk to me because my views on teen sexual freedom are so offensive.
firefly
 
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Fri 16 Aug, 2013 04:00 pm
@gungasnake,
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Trayvon was days away from an 18'th birthday when he died. He was nobody's child

Trayvon Martin was killed 3 weeks after his 17th birthday.

And he had two loving parents.

http://i1.wp.com/dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/71757034/00-ClipArtDropBox/00-TrayvonParent-TracyMartin%20copy.jpg?fit=1000%2C1000
Trayvon Martin and his father Tracy Martin

hawkeye10
 
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Fri 16 Aug, 2013 04:03 pm
@firefly,
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And he had two loving parents.

zimmerman has two loving parents who were not allowed to sit in the courtroom, so dont be thinking that Zimmerman deserved to be abused by the state for lack of loving parents.....
 

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