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The State of Florida vs George Zimmerman: The Trial

 
 
BillRM
 
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Fri 16 Aug, 2013 04:15 am
@oralloy,
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That depends on the pawnshop owner. Some of them fence stolen goods, and let the local thieves know that they provide that service.


You hardly need to run a pawn shop to be a fence and a pawn shop is on the radar screen of the police and you do not wish to be on the radar screen of the police if you are fencing stolen goods.

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parados
 
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Fri 16 Aug, 2013 06:31 am
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:

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So Zimmerman didn't kill Martin?


Sure did in legal self defense...................

Which is a reason. You claimed the reason doesn't matter but now you seem to think it does.
spendius
 
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Fri 16 Aug, 2013 06:56 am
@OmSigDAVID,
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oralloy wrote:

I think you'll find that most Americans place infinite value on freedom.

Therefore, even if you can establish that there are costs to our freedom, we'll still always choose freedom.

SO STIPULATED !


Fairy stories. It's just another little play-pen conceit you have got going out of a want of intelligent companions. Did your Moms warm your nappies?

There are about 70 million of you under the age of 18 and they have no freedom worth talking about. They can't even protect themselves legally in the way you demand for yourselves.

You can't even dash through the traffic without risking being cuffed face down on the sidewalk.
spendius
 
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Fri 16 Aug, 2013 07:24 am
@spendius,
And anybody who dares inform the public about how carefully and skillfully it is being watched, not having voted for such a thing, is subjected to a world-wide manhunt.

Well--he has rendered the Utah project superfluous because the communications it is interested in will vanish and other ways to communicate found. Anything interesting that does show up will likely be a jape to get you all running around like blue-arsed flies. And to provide officials opportunities to show have gravely concerned for your safety they are.

And the people who matter probably assumed what Snowden revealed long before he did so about what was going on. I certainly did and I don't matter.

So to further justify itself the Utah project has to take an interest in what the rest of you are up to. Such as your choices from the A to Z of pornography of where to come to rest.

Involuntary confession so to speak. If that's free I'm a rubber duck.

BillRM
 
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Fri 16 Aug, 2013 07:47 am
@parados,
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Which is a reason. You claimed the reason doesn't matter but now you seem to think it does.


I claims that?

Sorry, I knew what you was driving at from the first and was wondering when you would come to the point however I never said that it did not matter, you are getting me confused with one of the other posters.

Not sure if it was Oralloy or David but it was not myself.

Sorry to ruin your silly point.
BillRM
 
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Fri 16 Aug, 2013 07:49 am
@spendius,
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There are about 70 million of you under the age of 18 and they have no freedom worth talking about. They can't even protect themselves legally in the way you demand for yourselves.


What the hell are you smoking?
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OmSigDAVID
 
  2  
Fri 16 Aug, 2013 07:52 am
@spendius,
Quote:
oralloy wrote: I think you'll find that most Americans place infinite value on freedom.

Therefore, even if you can establish that there are costs to our freedom, we'll still always choose freedom.

SO STIPULATED !
spendius wrote:
Fairy stories.
Really ??
What is the source of your information on this point??



spendius wrote:
It's just another little play-pen conceit you have got going out of a want of intelligent companions.
Do u allege that there is no one of intelligence in America ?
Do u consider yourself to be the world's only intelligent person ?




spendius wrote:
Did your Moms warm your nappies?
No. Napkins do not serve better when heated.

( On the other hand, those heated napkins thay give u
for your eyes on Japan Air Lines feel really very good. )




spendius wrote:
There are about 70 million of you under the age of 18
and they have no freedom worth talking about.
I had all the freedom that I cud possibly want, as I grew up.
No one interfered, so far as I remember.
I had no complaints.

Do u allege that youthful Englishmen have more freedom than we do??



spendius wrote:
They can't even protect themselves legally in the way you demand for yourselves.
I did since age 8.

However, thay shud have full freedom to vote.




spendius wrote:
You can't even dash through the traffic without risking being cuffed face down on the sidewalk.
That is one of your "fairy stories" or fony stories.
I 've never seen such a problem.





David
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BillRM
 
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Fri 16 Aug, 2013 07:58 am
@spendius,
You do know that you are ahead of us if anything in being is a total surveillance state and nanny state and you do not even have a constitution to be able to fight back in the courts.

Funny news story in the UK press of how one of your new internet filters blocked the downloading of Hamlet as being too violent.

gungasnake
 
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Fri 16 Aug, 2013 09:13 am


Dershowitz: Angela Corey corrupt, politically motivated
gungasnake
 
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Fri 16 Aug, 2013 09:23 am
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gungasnake
 
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Fri 16 Aug, 2013 09:30 am
Trayvon thrice kicked outta Sabrina Fulton's house:



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firefly
 
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Fri 16 Aug, 2013 10:36 am
@BillRM,
BillRM, why are you criticizing the U.K. when you've spent so much time praising their child pornography laws? From your vast experience with child pornography material, you admire the way they categorize the content, don't you?
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gungasnake
 
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Fri 16 Aug, 2013 10:40 am
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gungasnake
 
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Fri 16 Aug, 2013 10:41 am
It might be my imagination but I get the impression that even black opinion is now starting to turn against Trayvon Martin and his family.

MontereyJack
 
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Fri 16 Aug, 2013 10:51 am
@gungasnake,
You're right. It's your imagination.
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firefly
 
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Fri 16 Aug, 2013 10:53 am
@gungasnake,
Oh I agree with what Dershowitz said in that interview!

He pointed out that we do not know who struck the first blow, Zimmerman or Martin, and he said that, even if Zimmerman receives a Not Guilty verdict, "I certainly would not declare him innocent." He also said, "I might not want to be friendly with George Zimmerman, or give him any kind of an accolade."

He also said, "I think the Martin family are very decent people."

Finally, you post intelligent comments--but they were made by Dershowitz, not by you.
gungasnake
 
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Fri 16 Aug, 2013 10:57 am
@firefly,
Dershowitz makes the notes you mention as a hypothetical worst case. He also notes that the overwhelming weight of evidence supports Zimmerman's version of the story. That's aside from recommending that every member of this prosecution team, and particularly Angela Corey, be disbarred for unprofessional and illegal conduct.
firefly
 
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Fri 16 Aug, 2013 11:01 am
The character assassination of Trayvon Martin.

The Only 3 Facts That Matter...

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firefly
 
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Fri 16 Aug, 2013 11:35 am
@gungasnake,
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Dershowitz makes the notes you mention as a hypothetical worst case.

No, gunga, listen to the entire tape--I am quoting Dershowitz verbatim.

He pointed out that we do not know who struck the first blow, Zimmerman or Martin, and he said that, even if Zimmerman receives a Not Guilty verdict, "I certainly would not declare him innocent. There’s a big difference between declaring him innocent and declaring him not guilty,” he said. He also said, "I might not want to be friendly with George Zimmerman, or give him any kind of an accolade."
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Toward the end of the clip, Dershowitz argues that the only fact that matters in this case is who took the first swing. He claims that since we don't know who did that the state has not proved beyond a reasonable doubt that Zimmerman did not act in self-defense. And if that's the case, he should walk.
http://www.breitbart.com/InstaBlog/2013/07/10/Dershowitz-Zimmerman-Prosecutors-Going-for-a-Compromise-Manslaughter-Verdict

And that means the Not Guilty verdict does not imply that Martin "attacked" Zimmerman, or that Zimmerman is blameless in creating the entire situation--it simply means that the state failed to prove that Zimmerman did not act in self-defense. And nothing beyond that...

Quote:

"Whether or not Zimmerman was a racist and racially profiled and shouldn’t have been doing it and didn’t listen to police, that's all irrelevant in Florida law," Dershowitz said.

"The case begins when the first blow was struck, essentially. And we don’t know who struck the first blow...

"I would say there's reasonable doubt. I would say nobody knows who started the initial fight," Dershowitz told "The Steve Malzberg Show" on Newsmax TV.

"Remember, it's monumentally irrelevant who's morally guilty here."

"In this case, it's very confusing. It's very conflicted … Self-defense is a very important principle in American law and people forget, too, that the government has the burden of proving beyond a reasonable doubt that he didn’t act in self-defense. They have to prove a negative beyond a reasonable doubt which is not easy to do."

http://www.sodahead.com/united-states/harvard-law-professor-alan-dershowitz-i-would-find-zimmerman-not-guilty---its-monumentally-irre/question-3795606/?link=ibaf&q=&esrc=s


Dershowitz definitely does not regard Zimmerman as blameless...
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Asked by CNN's Candy Crowley if he thinks there is enough evidence there for the Justice Department to move forward on a civil rights complaint, Dershowitz said, "I do not."

"I think this is a fairly traditional case of self-defense. It's a horrible tragedy. It reflects the racial divide in our society. There is no reason this young man should have been killed. Mr. Zimmerman may have been morally at fault for racially profiling and following him, but under the law of self defense, if he was on bottom and he was having his head banged against the pavement and was in reasonable fear of death or serious bodily harm, he had the right to respond the way he did."

"If there is going to be an investigation, it should be just for the racial profiling and the following, it shouldn't be for the events that led to the death, because then every case of self-defense will be turned into a federal case. And that's not what the civil rights law was intended to do."

Dershowitz said the family of Trayvon Martin could consider a civil lawsuit against Zimmerman, where the standard of proof is lower.


http://cnsnews.com/news/article/liberal-law-prof-zimmerman-case-should-never-have-been-brought-first-place#sthash.kciMmGus.dpuf
gungasnake
 
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Fri 16 Aug, 2013 12:44 pm
@firefly,
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He also said, "I might not want to be friendly with George Zimmerman


http://www.englishpage.com/modals/might.html

Quote:
"Might" is most commonly used to express possibility. It is also often used in conditional sentences. English speakers can also use "might" to make suggestions or requests, although this is less common in American English.

Examples:

Your purse might be in the living room. possibility
If I didn't have to work, I might go with you. conditional
You might visit the botanical gardens during your visit. suggestion
Might I borrow your pen? request
 

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