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The State of Florida vs George Zimmerman: The Trial

 
 
spendius
 
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Thu 15 Aug, 2013 01:17 pm
@Baldimo,
And you have not answered the question which concerns the 2nd. You have put it on Ignore somewhat tactlessly.
BillRM
 
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Thu 15 Aug, 2013 01:29 pm
You know as annoying as it is to have to deal with the fantasy of whites racists running around the country murdering and raping poor blacks, we should be overjoy that the Sharptons and the fireflies and such need to turn to fantasies as it is no longer happening for real.

Not for two generations or so have there been killings of blacks base on racial hate in this nation to any degree.

Now if we could start doing something about helping the black underclass getting out from under the criminal justice system and setting up conditions that would strenghten the black families enough to keep young men from joining gangs or going down the wrong path in other ways.

The idea that the gang problem in so bad in Chicago that we are likely to loss children walking to schools through "foreign" gangs territories is sickening.

Let try stopping the funding of gangs by ending the war on drugs and treat the drug problem as a public health matter not a criminal matter.

Stop warehousing non-violence people in prison cells at a cost of sending them to a private college.

Pour fundings and other resources into getting the lower class blacks young men out of the trap the inner big cities have become for them.

Of course the smaller we can get the disenfranchised black population the more unhappy Sharpton and Jackson and Firefly will be and that would be ashamed.
Baldimo
 
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Thu 15 Aug, 2013 01:39 pm
@spendius,
Haven't put it on ignore, I don't apply a cost to the Constitution. Freedom is only free in the sense that the average person doesn't pay the cost for freedom, that is left to those who serve in the military. Having served my country I have seen some friends pay the true price of freedom which once again you can't put a price on.

From what I have seen in my life the cost of freedom is 30 Navy Seals, 5 Flight crew members and a Chinook. Extortion 17!

I don't think there makes a difference if there were 100,000 guns in the US or 300,000 or even 300,000,000. According to some in this forum 1 gun is too many to have in the US.
gungasnake
 
  1  
Thu 15 Aug, 2013 01:48 pm
@BillRM,
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Now if we could start doing something about helping the black underclass getting out from under the criminal justice system and setting up conditions that would strenghten the black families enough to keep young men from joining gangs or going down the wrong path in other ways.

The idea that the gang problem in so bad in Chicago that we are likely to loss children walking to schools through "foreign" gangs territories is sickening.

Let try stopping the funding of gangs by ending the war on drugs and treat the drug problem as a public health matter not a criminal matter.....


There are a number of things we could do beginning with seeing to it that nobody ever made another dime at the most common criminal pursuits, and cleaning up the dysfunctional aspects of our culture.

Get rid of the "War on Drugs", and also pawn shops and anything else involving signs reading "We Buy Gold", i.e. "Go rob all your neighbors, and then see me..." There should be no place a Trayvon Martin could exchange a stolen wedding ring for cash.

Get rid of the WWF and also MMA cage fights. There should be no place a person could go in a serious country to watch pure sadism.

Get rid of rap "music", and whatever was left of gangs after the War on Drugs was ended. You could do that the same way we've mostly gotten rid of smoking, i.e. with ads showing normal people laughing at that **** ('This is your brain, this is your brain on rap...").

Get rid of the government monopoly on schools. Provide real options for schooling for everybody, to the greatest extent possible. Break the power of the NEA. Insist that anybody teaching a subject at a high school level have a real degree in that subject, and not a degree in education with 20 hours of the subject he or she means to teach.

I mean, there are a few other things you could do but that would do for starters.



gungasnake
 
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Thu 15 Aug, 2013 01:52 pm
@Baldimo,
Quote:
Haven't put it on ignore, I don't apply a cost to the Constitution. Freedom is only free in the sense that the average person doesn't pay the cost for freedom, that is left to those who serve in the military. Having served my country I have seen some friends pay the true price of freedom which once again you can't put a price on.

From what I have seen in my life the cost of freedom is 30 Navy Seals, 5 Flight crew members and a Chinook. Extortion 17!


I hope your friends' sacrifice purchased freedom for somebody in some real sense.

That was invariably true of GIs who served in WW-II, nonetheless we now have an army of people walking around with artificial arms and legs, mainly because the demoKKKrat party refuses to allow us to have any sort of a real energy policy of our own.

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BillRM
 
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Thu 15 Aug, 2013 02:14 pm
@gungasnake,
Rape music ban would run into the first amendment but hopefully if your change the culture enough that music would no longer appeal.

Pawn shops are hardly the main problem take note not only do pawn shops need to report all items to the local police in most areas but nationwide to the Federla government.

That is not the case with ebay or craigslist and so on.

Yes public or private contract education should be funded well and we should demand results.
firefly
 
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Thu 15 Aug, 2013 02:31 pm
@BillRM,
Quote:
You know as annoying as it is to have to deal with the fantasy of whites racists running around the country murdering and raping poor blacks, we should be overjoy that the Sharptons and the fireflies and such need to turn to fantasies as it is no longer happening for real.

This is at least the second time you've posted such an idiotic statement--and you are repeating it after I've clearly shown you to be wrong.

It is happening for real, BillRM.

This case was adjudicated less than a year ago--and this is the second time I'm posting it in this thread.
Quote:

Two Mississippi Men Plead Guilty to Committing Hate Crimes Against African-Americans
U.S. Department of Justice
December 04, 2012

WASHINGTON—William Kirk Montgomery, 23, from Puckett, Mississippi, and Jonathan K. Gaskamp, 20, from Brandon, Mississippi, pleaded guilty today in U.S. District Court in Jackson, Mississippi, to conspiracy and federal hate crime charges in connection with their roles in the assault of African-Americans in Jackson, the Justice Department announced today. Defendants Deryl Paul Dedmon, 20; John Aaron Rice, 19; and Dylan Wade Butler, 21, all from Brandon, Mississippi, have previously entered guilty pleas in connection with their roles in these offenses. The conspiracy culminated in the death of James Craig Anderson, who was assaulted and killed on June 26, 2011.

Montgomery and Gaskamp were both charged with one count of conspiracy and one count of violating the Matthew Sheppard James Byrd, Jr. Hate Crimes Prevention Act.

Beginning in the spring of 2011, Montgomery, Gaskamp, and others conspired with one another to harass and assault African-Americans in and around Jackson. On numerous occasions, the co-conspirators used dangerous weapons, including beer bottles, sling shots, and motor vehicles, to cause and attempt to cause bodily injury to African-Americans, specifically targeting those they believed to be homeless or under the influence of alcohol because they believed that such individuals would be less likely to report an assault. Additionally, the co-conspirators would often boast about these racially motivated assaults.

“We hope that today’s guilty pleas provide further closure to James Craig Anderson’s family and to the community that has mourned his senseless death and been further disheartened by the scope of the conspiracy to commit racially motivated assaults in Jackson by these and other co-conspirators,” said Thomas E. Perez, Assistant Attorney General for the Civil Rights Division. “The Justice Department’s focus in this matter is ongoing and broad; we will vigorously pursue those who commit racially motivated assaults and will use every tool at our disposal to ensure that those who commit such acts are brought to justice.”

http://www.fbi.gov/jackson/press-releases/2012/two-mississippi-men-plead-guilty-to-committing-hate-crimes-against-african-americans


Race-based crimes go on all the time in this country--and blacks are overwhelmingly the targets and victims of such crimes.

You do nothing but continue to prove what a brain-dead racist moron you are.
gungasnake
 
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Thu 15 Aug, 2013 02:36 pm
@BillRM,
I can't really picture anybody buying used jewelry on ebay or craigs list.

Anybody with a storefront saying "We buy gold" on the other hand can simply melt gold items down and sell the gold and unless government agencies have people standing there watching, I don't see how they could figure it.
firefly
 
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Thu 15 Aug, 2013 02:40 pm
@BillRM,
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Rape music ban would run into the first amendment but hopefully if your change the culture enough that music would no longer appeal.

RAPE MUSIC?

Is that what you enjoy--since you generally blame women for their own rapes, and serve as an apologist for rapists?

Right, if we changed the culture, so that more rapes could be successfully prosecuted, perhaps "rape music" might lose its appeal for people like you.

Slips of the tongue are very revealing, BillRM. If you weren't such a semi-literate moron you might actually be able to proof-read your own posts.

Your sexism is on as much view as your racism.

BillRM
 
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Thu 15 Aug, 2013 02:45 pm
@firefly,
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Race-based crimes go on all the time in this country--and blacks are overwhelmingly the targets and victims of such crimes


It is very very very rare and it go both ways............

They are hardly the overwhelmingly victims of such very rare events just ask the truck driver pulled out of his truck and almost killed in CA for example during a black riot as the police watch a few blocks away.

Or the Jewish men shot and killed in their shop after Sharpton work up people in NYC.

Here is a real hate crime concerning the Zimmerman/Trayvon event.

Quote:


http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/jul/28/trayvon-martin-3-black-men-beat-rob-white-man-dc/

This is for Trayvon Martin.”
That’s what one of three black men told a white man as they approached him early Saturday in Washington before committing what police are saying may be a hate crime, according to Metropolitan Police Officer Anthony Clay.
The men kicked the man, who was not identified, as they took his iPhone and wallet, the officer said Sunday, according to CNN. The victim suffered minor injuries and refused medical treatment.
There have been no arrests, but police are investigating the incident as a hate crime, the officer said.
“There is no pattern in these types of crimes. These attacks are outrageous; we are doing everything in our power to see that they certainly don’t occur. If they do occur, we are going to aggressively investigate them and bring people to justice,” Metropolitan Police Department spokesman Araz Alali said.
The attack happened two weeks after George Zimmerman was acquitted of the second-degree murder in the death of Trayvon Martin in Sanford, Fla. The verdict sparked nationwide protests by people who believe Mr. Zimmerman targeted the teen because he was black.

firefly
 
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Thu 15 Aug, 2013 02:51 pm
@BillRM,
Quote:
It is very very very rare and it go both ways............

They are hardly the overwhelmingly victims of such very rare events just ask the truck driver pulled out of his truck and almost killed in CA for example during a black riot as the police watch a few blocks away.


Quote:
FBI: Hate Crimes Target Blacks In 70 Percent Of Race-Based Cases
11/15/11

Blacks were the group most likely to be the targets of race-based hate crimes, according to a new federal report.

The report, compiled by the FBI's civil rights division, found that the large majority of racial bias crimes were "motivated by anti-black bias." Latinos were the targets of 66 percent of all hate crimes motivated by ethnicity or national origin. Jews were the targets of most crimes against religious groups, and most crimes against a particular sexual orientation or gender were motivated by "anti-homosexual male bias."

The number of hate crimes remained essentially flat between 2009 and 2010. There were 6,628 hate crimes reported in 2010, up very slightly from 6,604 in 2009. About 47 percent of all the reported hate crimes were racially motivated...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/11/15/fbi-hate-crimes-target-bl_n_1095465.html


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BillRM
 
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Thu 15 Aug, 2013 02:58 pm
@gungasnake,
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I can't really picture anybody buying used jewelry on ebay or craigs list.


Then they take the jewelry to flea market or used a blow torch themselves and sell the gold as gold.

Pawnshops with their need to get IDs and hold the goods for 30 days after reporting what they had purchase for the police to come and look at, are hardly the best means of getting rid of hots goods.
firefly
 
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Thu 15 Aug, 2013 03:01 pm
@BillRM,
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Pawnshops with their need to get IDs and hold the goods for 30 days after reporting what they had purchase for the police to come and look at, are hardly the best means of getting rid of hots goods.

Have you had a lot of experience trying to get rid of "hot goods"?

You offer more helpful tips on illegal activities than all the other members of A2K put together.
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BillRM
 
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Thu 15 Aug, 2013 03:13 pm
@firefly,
Here is an interview of the truck driver beaten that I was referring to before and as the man stated there are idiots of all colors and people of good will of all color.


I know it serve your purpose to claims that it is evil whites harming blacks but it cut both ways at least to an equal degree and such events are very rare indeed.

See all the death threats revolting around the Zimmerman case including the Jury members and even their children.


cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Thu 15 Aug, 2013 03:15 pm
@BillRM,
"Revolting" is spot on! LOL Mr. Green
spendius
 
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Thu 15 Aug, 2013 03:20 pm
@Baldimo,
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Haven't put it on ignore,


I consider evading the question on the 2nd by diverting attention to the other ammendments is ignoring the question.

Quote:
I don't apply a cost to the Constitution.


As I understand it, and I'm quite willing to be corrected, the Constitution was written to prevent fighting between the states and states would only fight for economic reasons.

Many others have seen the cost of freedom. Having done so is not something to prop an argument up with.

I think that if one gun was too many in the US there would be significant economic benefits. One benefit of 300,000,000 guns is that the US is the world leader in the treatment of gunshot wounds and can market the expertise. Is doing I gather.
BillRM
 
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Thu 15 Aug, 2013 03:26 pm
@spendius,
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US is the world leader in the treatment of gunshot wounds and can market the expertise. Is doing I gather.


Perhaps we can sell our expertise to your nation the next time your nation decide to go and chase the Irish around in their own nation. Drunk
Baldimo
 
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Thu 15 Aug, 2013 03:30 pm
@firefly,
What percentage of crimes are hate based crimes? In a population of over 300,000,000 people, and there were 6700 hate crimes out of how many total crimes? Just throwing a # out there makes it look worse then it really is. Going by the stat in your own post it looks like less than half the hate crimes were racially motivated. How many of those hate crimes were prosecuted successfully? This only talks about the # of reported hate crimes.

http://www.disastercenter.com/crime/uscrime.htm

I found that there were a total of 10,363,873 crimes committed in 2010. Of those crimes there were 1,251,248 total violent crimes, 14,772 murders, 781,844 violent assaults and 85,593 rapes. The stats are not in your favor on this FF.
spendius
 
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Thu 15 Aug, 2013 03:31 pm
@BillRM,
That is out of the question Bill. Although if the Irish signed a pact with Russia or China for mutual defence it would be considered both here and in the White House.
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BillRM
 
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Thu 15 Aug, 2013 03:32 pm
@spendius,
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As I understand it, and I'm quite willing to be corrected, the Constitution was written to prevent fighting between the states


Hardly the main reason and the Articles of Confederation that predate the Constitution serve that purpose as well as the Constitution does.
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