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The State of Florida vs George Zimmerman: The Trial

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firefly
 
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Mon 1 Jul, 2013 04:42 pm
@BillW,
On the audio tape, did you hear Zimmerman say that wasn't him screaming for help in the background of one of the 911 calls?

Listening to these tapes of Zimmerman being interviewed is very interesting.
BillW
 
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Mon 1 Jul, 2013 04:49 pm
@firefly,
firefly wrote:

On the audio tape, did you hear Zimmerman say that wasn't him screaming for help in the background of one of the 911 calls?

Listening to these tapes of Zimmerman being interviewed is very interesting.


That is one of the things the investigator didn't follow up on. I tell ya, that guy was in the fix. Kinda hard for the people for Z to say it was him screaming. I can catch my voice in a group of 15, and know exactly what I was expressing at the time. And, there are a few lies in there too that the detective didn't follow up on.

This stuff is significant. but, not murder 2.
firefly
 
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Mon 1 Jul, 2013 05:05 pm
@BillW,
Quote:

This stuff is significant. but, not murder 2.

I agree.

The investigator also described Zimmerman's injuries as "minor".

parados
 
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Mon 1 Jul, 2013 05:16 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
OmSigDAVID wrote:



Must You Wait for the Attacker’s Bullet to Strike Before You Act in Self-Defense?


So then since Zimmerman was the one with the gun you do think Martin was justified in attacking him, correct?
Or does your large type not apply to black people?
cicerone imposter
 
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Mon 1 Jul, 2013 05:27 pm
@parados,
David doesn't know when he contradicts himself; a waste of time trying to find anything relevant to discuss with an idiot at large.
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farmerman
 
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Mon 1 Jul, 2013 05:38 pm
@firefly,
Watched the Blitzer and saw several segments of diect and cross. Defense did their best to draw out that Zimmerman was being truthful. They played the last question where defense asks lead detective about whether immerman appeared credible.

NOW, don't get all angry but
Why the hell would the prosecution put the defendant "on the stand by video tape"?
. Now the defense wont have to.

I think that was a calculated blunder.
JTT
 
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Mon 1 Jul, 2013 06:04 pm
@RABEL222,
Quote:
He caused all the problems with his want to be a cop attitude and I believe should be held accountable for his actions. Carrying and useing a gun should be held to a higher threshold of accountability because armed people are so much more dangerous. When unarmed people are shot by armed people they should have to prove their life "was" in danger. Not just that they think it "might" have been. Justice is a tenuous thing.


Are you talking about George Bush, Rabel?
cicerone imposter
 
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Mon 1 Jul, 2013 06:10 pm
@JTT,
JTT, **** off you goddam bore.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Mon 1 Jul, 2013 06:18 pm
@farmerman,
farmerman wrote:
I think that was a calculated blunder.
Explain your thinking ??
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JTT
 
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Mon 1 Jul, 2013 06:18 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Hi, CI.

Illustrating, AGAIN, to everyone that you're a liar.

Tsk tsk tsk tsk.

That's stuff isn't boring to you, CI, it just causes you mental anguish because it requires you to think. And we know how much you hate doing that.
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Mon 1 Jul, 2013 06:23 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:
No, it's not; you prove my point with almost every post you make on a2k.
More vague, personal insults; that 's all C. I. can do.
JTT
 
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Mon 1 Jul, 2013 06:26 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Quote:
He caused all the problems with his want to be a cop attitude and I believe should be held accountable for his actions. Carrying and useing a gun should be held to a higher threshold of accountability because armed people are so much more dangerous. When unarmed people are shot by armed people they should have to prove their life "was" in danger. Not just that they think it "might" have been. Justice is a tenuous thing.


You didn't notice the stark similarities, CI.

And y'all think, with a few noteable exceptions, that GZ must be held responsible for this one death but GWB gets a pension for hundreds of thousands of deaths, terrorizing millions, destroying two countries, ... .

Justice is indeed a tenuous thing.
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JTT
 
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Mon 1 Jul, 2013 06:31 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
Quote:
More vague, personal insults; that 's all C. I. can do.


Unlike you, eh, Om, a guy who addresses things head on.

By the way, when are you going to get back to me like you promised. It's been well over a year, hasn't it? Or is it over two years now?
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Mon 1 Jul, 2013 06:42 pm
@parados,
OmSigDAVID wrote:



Must You Wait for the Attacker’s Bullet to Strike Before You Act in Self-Defense?

parados wrote:
So then since Zimmerman was the one with the gun you do think Martin was justified in attacking him, correct?
No; certainly not.
Zimmy had as much right to carry a gun
as to carry the Bible or the Wall Street Journal.
He did NOT attack decedent.
He spoke to decedent; that is not the same thing as attacking.
Are u able to follow my thinking here, Mr. Parados??



parados wrote:
Or does your large type not apply to black people?
1. U have falsely attributed that "large type" to me. I object.

2. I do not begrudge self defense to anyone
and I acknowledge that right in everyone, no matter how low.
In the history of this Republic, the most foul
and abhorrent criminals have been the Rosenbergs;
I even acknowledge their moral right to fight back
as thay were dragged to the electric chair in Sing Sing.

Decedent attacked Zimmy for no reason.
He got what he deserved. The rest of us r safer for it.





David
JTT
 
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Mon 1 Jul, 2013 06:53 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
Quote:
In the history of this Republic, the most foul
and abhorrent criminals have been the Rosenbergs;


As regards evil, foul and abhorrent criminals the US has more than its fair share and many have occupied the "highest" office in the land.

But the Rosenbergs were not even close to McCarthy and the evil cockroaches who aided him. What they did was level the playing field. Had the US remained the sole power with nuclear weapons, it's likely that the death toll would have climbed much much higher.

I believe you have described yourself as one of McCarthy's loyal cockroaches, Om. Even bragged about it.



firefly
 
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Mon 1 Jul, 2013 07:07 pm
Can we please stick to discussing the trial in this thread.
farmerman
 
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Mon 1 Jul, 2013 07:25 pm
@firefly,
merely pass by the actors.
An interesting observation since the prosecution is also asking the jury to consider manslaughter. The case 's threshold for the burden of proof for manslaughter could be what the state has been actually doing.
The automatic sentencing (from Krauthammer ) requires a sentencing of 30 years for killing a minor with a gun.
HMMMM
Odds are changing
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RABEL222
 
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Mon 1 Jul, 2013 07:56 pm
@firefly,
ignore him. I am. We have no obligation to engage him.
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parados
 
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Mon 1 Jul, 2013 08:02 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
So, you think Martin should have waited until he was shot before defending himself?
hawkeye10
 
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Mon 1 Jul, 2013 08:23 pm
@parados,
parados wrote:

So, you think Martin should have waited until he was shot before defending himself?

when did you establish that martin was attacked?
 

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