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The State of Florida vs George Zimmerman: The Trial

 
 
Rockhead
 
  2  
Mon 1 Jul, 2013 03:29 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
because Zimmy accosted the child and started a fight with him...
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cicerone imposter
 
  2  
Mon 1 Jul, 2013 03:32 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
Because in this country, we have the freedom to walk where ever we please without anybody with a gun following us in the belief that we are up to no good.

OmSigDAVID
 
  0  
Mon 1 Jul, 2013 03:41 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

Because in this country, we have the freedom to walk where ever we please
without anybody with a gun following us in the belief that we are up to no good.
Will u cite us to any legal authority
in support of that notion that u have alleged, please?????
It sounds like foolishness to me.

YOU allege, do you, that
if someone follows u on the street
in the belief that u are up to no good,
then u have the right to beat his head
against the street and that for some
mysterious reason, your victim
has no right to kill u in self defense????

PLEASE cite us to any statutory or judicial authority
in support of your allegation of that "freedom".

I look forward to enlightenment.





David
BillW
 
  2  
Mon 1 Jul, 2013 03:41 pm
There seems to be a movement of heightening the point that Trayvon is a minor - almost half Zimmermans' age and size:

Quote:
A medical examiner's photo shows Martin's bare chest and the gunshot wound that killed him. Serino says he showed it to Zimmerman to show him how skinny Martin was in relationship to Zimmerman.
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cicerone imposter
 
  3  
Mon 1 Jul, 2013 03:44 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
Don't have to; we have the freedom of movement in this country. That's the reason we can cross from state to state at will. That's the EVIDENCE that stupid people like you will never understand.
JTT
 
  3  
Mon 1 Jul, 2013 03:44 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
Quote:
I look forward to enlightenment.


A frequently repeated OmSig lie.
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OmSigDAVID
 
  0  
Mon 1 Jul, 2013 03:46 pm

I don't believe that anyone 's right of self defense
is curtailed by the age of a predator against whom he is defending himself.

Kids have no better right to murder other citizens
than anyone else.

If anyone wishes to allege that the right of self defense
does NOT apply against kids, then please cite us
to applicable statutory or judicial authority in support of that philosophy.





David
Rockhead
 
  4  
Mon 1 Jul, 2013 03:46 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
damn scary black kids...
cicerone imposter
 
  2  
Mon 1 Jul, 2013 03:48 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Quote:
United Nations Declaration[edit]
After the end of hostilities in World War II, the United Nations was established on October 24, 1945. The new international organization recognized the importance of freedom of movement through documents such as the Universal Declaration of Human Rights (1948) and the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights (1966). Article 13 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, adopted by the U.N. General Assembly, reads,
(1) Everyone has the right to freedom of movement and residence within the borders of each State.
(2) Everyone has the right to leave any country, including his own, and to return to his country.
Article 12 of the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights incorporates this right into treaty law:
(1) Everyone lawfully within the territory of a State shall, within that territory, have the right to liberty of movement and freedom to choose his residence.
(2) Everyone shall be free to leave any country, including his own.
(3) The above-mentioned rights shall not be subject to any restrictions except those provided by law, are necessary to protect national security, public order (ordre public), public health or morals or the rights and freedoms of others, and are consistent with the other rights recognized in the present Covenant.
(4) No one shall be arbitrarily deprived of the right to enter his own country.
The ICCPR entered into force for the initial ratifying states on 23 March 1976, and for additional states following their ratification. In 1999, the U.N. Human Rights Committee, which is charged with interpreting the treaty, issued its guidelines for Article 12 of the ICCPR in its "General Comment No. 27: Freedom of Movement".
OmSigDAVID
 
  0  
Mon 1 Jul, 2013 03:49 pm
@Rockhead,
Rockhead wrote:
damn scary black kids...
Maybe not as scary if u r sufficiently prepared to handle their predatory aggression, Rocky.
farmerman
 
  1  
Mon 1 Jul, 2013 03:51 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Quote:
Zimmerman's lies will get them there!
you stated this right after you talked about how you were waiting for more evidence to be presented.

My odds today aren't in yet but the prosecution was quoted by a news station as having made a better showing (someone musta gotten yelled at by the DA over the weekend)
panzade
 
  2  
Mon 1 Jul, 2013 03:54 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
Quote:
their predatory aggression,

This predatory aggression; is it more prevalent than in white kids?
revelette
 
  1  
Mon 1 Jul, 2013 03:56 pm
@farmerman,
Quote:
(someone musta gotten yelled at by the DA over the weekend)


well, lets hope it struck a nerve...does seem a better day for the prosecution.

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OmSigDAVID
 
  0  
Mon 1 Jul, 2013 04:07 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

Quote:
United Nations Declaration[edit]
After the end of hostilities in World War II, the United Nations was established on October 24, 1945. The new international organization recognized the importance of freedom of movement through documents such as the Universal Declaration of Human Rights (1948) and the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights (1966). Article 13 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, adopted by the U.N. General Assembly, reads,
(1) Everyone has the right to freedom of movement and residence within the borders of each State.
(2) Everyone has the right to leave any country, including his own, and to return to his country.
Article 12 of the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights incorporates this right into treaty law:
(1) Everyone lawfully within the territory of a State shall, within that territory, have the right to liberty of movement and freedom to choose his residence.
(2) Everyone shall be free to leave any country, including his own.


(3) The above-mentioned rights shall not be subject to any restrictions except those provided by law, are necessary to protect national security, public order (ordre public), public health or morals or the rights and freedoms of others, [such as the right to be free from burglary] and are consistent with the other rights recognized in the present Covenant.


(4) No one shall be arbitrarily deprived of the right to enter his own country.
The ICCPR entered into force for the initial ratifying states on 23 March 1976, and for additional states following their ratification. In 1999, the U.N. Human Rights Committee, which is charged with interpreting the treaty, issued its guidelines for Article 12 of the ICCPR in its "General Comment No. 27: Freedom of Movement".

OK, C. I. Let 's pretend that the UN is more than a joke
and seriously address your posted material.
WHERE do we find therein that Zimmy cannot follow decedent,
or anyone Zimmy deems to be "up to no good"????????
Does it say there that Zimmy loses his freedom of speech
if he follows the bad guy?? I don't see that there.

The material that u posted is fully consistent
with Zimmy 's conduct on the night in question.
He did not prevent Martin from moving
(before Martin began beating his head on the street).
He merely asked him what he was doing there.
That 's perfectly moral, legal and honorable.


In order for the material that u posted to justify your position,
it must show that Zimmy had no right to follow him (as u allege),
nor to speak to him; it does neither.





David
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OmSigDAVID
 
  -1  
Mon 1 Jul, 2013 04:18 pm
@panzade,
DAVID wrote:
their predatory aggression,

panzade wrote:
This predatory aggression; is it more prevalent than in white kids?
Judging from the arrest demographics
that I have daily observed in court, on their way to arraignment, it certainly IS.

It used to look like thay were on their way to a slave auction,
chained wrist-to-wrist-to-wrist by the bailiffs in a daisy chain.
When a white was in there, he stood out very starkly.





David
BillW
 
  2  
Mon 1 Jul, 2013 04:25 pm
Wow, the lead investigator just sugar coated his entire investigation of Z.Didn't follow up on any leads, do any hard questioning, asked a few trick questions and followed up to Z that he didn't think that would work anyways - even though it was wide open to being figured out. Damn, no wonder this guy decided he would have him arrested, I would like to see a background check on him, maybe some KKK meetings. Why didn't he get fired with the Police Chief? I can't figure out if he comes back on the stand in the morning?
cicerone imposter
 
  -1  
Mon 1 Jul, 2013 04:27 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
You're really, really, stupid, david. REALLY!
OmSigDAVID
 
  1  
Mon 1 Jul, 2013 04:28 pm
@BillW,
Does that have any bearing
on Zimmy 's self defense ??
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OmSigDAVID
 
  1  
Mon 1 Jul, 2013 04:30 pm
@cicerone imposter,
That 's the best u can do, C. I.
Hurl personal insults. My I. Q. is off-topic.

U cannot answer my objections to your
ineffectual postings.





David
cicerone imposter
 
  0  
Mon 1 Jul, 2013 04:37 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
No, it's not; you prove my point with almost every post you make on a2k.

 

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