The State of Florida vs George Zimmerman: The Trial

@hawkeye10,

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when did you establish that martin was attacked?

He was shot. After having been followed and watched by some "creepy" guy, for some time. He had no idea what this man was up to, or what he might do to him.

In the audiotape played in court today, Zimmerman says he reached into his pocket for his cell phone as Martin approached him. I'm not sure I buy that. I think it's possible Zimmerman either tried to reach for his gun, or Martin saw his gun, and that's why Martin was defending himself from this guy who had been watching and following him, he feared for his life. And I think those awful terrified screams for help came from Martin because he knew Zimmerman was about to shoot him.

At no time did Zimmerman ever identify himself to Martin as a member of the neighborhood watch so Martin could understand his intentions.

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@hawkeye10,

It's been established that Zimmerman followed Martin for no other reason than Zimmerman's suspicions that Martin was up to no good. It was NOT the other way around.

If Zimmerman had just left him alone, he would still be alive.

Who has to ask who attacked who?

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@OmSigDAVID,

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Decedent attacked Zimmy for no reason.
He got what he deserved. The rest of us r safer for it.

You have to assume that GZ saved more lives than just his own and statistics would indicate that some of those lives were black.

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@JTT,

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But the Rosenbergs were not even close to McCarthy and the evil cockroaches who aided him. What they did was level the playing field. Had the US remained the sole power with nuclear weapons, it's likely that the death toll would have climbed much much higher.

With just the US having nuclear weapons, the world between 1945 and 1987 would have been much safer. The most major potential for starting an atom-bomb war in those years was computer error, and Russian computer technology was garbage prior to the fall of the CCCP. The Rosenbergs exposed all of us to that danger during all of that time.

Electrocution was too good for them.

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@gungasnake,

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The most major potential for starting an atom-bomb war in those years was computer error,

Horseshit! The major potential was the massive US propaganda system that created all the false boogeymen.

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There have been major efforts here - for years - to frighten the population into obedience. And people are afraid. Of everything - you know, they're afraid of aliens...

Noam Chomsky

Y'all are trembling little children. Look at what one 19 year lad did to the whole Boston area. You folks are world famous for falling for patently transparent BS.

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@parados,

parados wrote:

So, you think Martin should have waited until he was shot before defending himself?

He shud not have attacked Zimmy
until Zimmy attacked first, by drawing on him.
Asking him a question
is perfectly peaceful, proper n legitimate.

David

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@gungasnake,

gungasnake wrote:

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But the Rosenbergs were not even close to McCarthy and the evil cockroaches who aided him. What they did was level the playing field. Had the US remained the sole power with nuclear weapons, it's likely that the death toll would have climbed much much higher.

With just the US having nuclear weapons, the world between 1945 and 1987 would have been much safer. The most major potential for starting an atom-bomb war in those years was computer error, and Russian computer technology was garbage prior to the fall of the CCCP. The Rosenbergs exposed all of us to that danger during all of that time.

Electrocution was too good for them.

It really WAS!
It made me regret the 8th Amendment.
Thay shud have been slow roasted.

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@firefly,

firefly wrote:

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when did you establish that martin was attacked?

He was shot. After having been followed and watched by some "creepy" guy, for some time. He had no idea what this man was up to, or what he might do to him.

In the audiotape played in court today, Zimmerman says he reached into his pocket for his cell phone as Martin approached him. I'm not sure I buy that. I think it's possible Zimmerman either tried to reach for his gun, or Martin saw his gun, and that's why Martin was defending himself from this guy who had been watching and following him, he feared for his life. And I think those awful terrified screams for help came from Martin because he knew Zimmerman was about to shoot him.

At no time did Zimmerman ever identify himself to Martin as a member of the neighborhood watch so Martin could understand his intentions.

you have a theory which you cant prove, so you have nothing. I am looking for a statement from the jury after acquittal to the effect that the state of Florida has abused the justice system and wasted their time by putting a man on trial with no evidence of guilt.

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@cicerone imposter,

cicerone imposter wrote:

It's been established that Zimmerman followed Martin for no other reason than Zimmerman's suspicions that Martin was up to no good. It was NOT the other way around.

If Zimmerman had just left him alone, he would still be alive.

Who has to ask who attacked who?

you are apparently ignorant of Florida law. I am not shocked.

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@hawkeye10,

you keep waiting for that and let us know how it comes out...

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@OmSigDAVID,

I find Zimmerman's whole version of events just too convenient for a guy who followed Martin for no other reason other than "these guys always get away."

The first detectives interrogating Zimmerman hardly questioned him and just brushed aside inconsistencies. I keep hoping the state is going to hammer something home, but so far, all these witnesses in one way or another has helped the defense more than the state.

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@hawkeye10,

hawkeye10 wrote:

parados wrote:

So, you think Martin should have waited until he was shot before defending himself?

when did you establish that martin was attacked?

So you are arguing that one must be shot before they can defend themselves if someone has a gun.

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@OmSigDAVID,

OmSigDAVID wrote:

parados wrote:
So, you think Martin should have waited until he was shot before defending himself?
He shud not have attacked Zimmy
until Zimmy attacked first, by drawing on him.
Asking him a question
is perfectly peaceful, proper n legitimate.

David

Sure..
So how do you feel about my shooting you with the gun I have in my pocket?

No attack there, so you can't defend yourself until I pull it out and shoot you.

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@parados,

The whole point, Par, is that Martin was a young, black person. His proper place is to be submissive and respectful when his betters confront him.

[/sarcasm]

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@OmSigDAVID,

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Thay shud have been slow roasted.

Says one of the evil cockroaches.

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@firefly,

firefly wrote:

In the audiotape played in court today, Zimmerman says he reached into his pocket for his cell phone as Martin approached him. I'm not sure I buy that. I think it's possible Zimmerman either tried to reach for his gun, or Martin saw his gun, and that's why Martin was defending himself from this guy who had been watching and following him, he feared for his life. And I think those awful terrified screams for help came from Martin because he knew Zimmerman was about to shoot him.

Then at this point, you would have to acquit Zimmerman if you were a juror. If you're merely not sure you're buying Zimmerman's story, if you merely think Zimmerman might have tried to reach for his gun at the beginning of the confrontation, and if you merely think these screams came from Martin, you're not convinced beyond all reasonable doubt. To convict Zimmerman, nothing short of removing all reasonable doubt in the jury is good enough.

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@DrewDad,

DrewDad wrote:

The whole point, Par, is that Martin was a young, black person. His proper place is to be submissive and respectful when his betters confront him.

If I was OmSigDavid, I would recommend that in the future, young Black Florida males use their Second-Amendment rights, be sure to shoot the likes of Zimmerman first, and then be sure to claim self-defense. It's by far the best course of action for them under Forida law.

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@Thomas,

David has made that point before. Everyone should be armed and then everyone can defend themselves.

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@Thomas,

Thomas wrote:

DrewDad wrote:
The whole point, Par, is that Martin was a young, black person. His proper place is to be submissive and respectful when his betters confront him.

If I was OmSigDavid, I would recommend that in the future, young Black Florida males use their Second-Amendment rights, be sure to shoot the likes of Zimmerman first, and then be sure to claim self-defense. It's by far the best course of action for them under Forida law.

When you quote me, please include the sarcasm tag....

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@Thomas,

Thomas wrote:

Then at this point, you would have to acquit Zimmerman if you were a juror.

I think that is where we will end up. It's pretty clear to me that Zimmerman approached the victim and instigated a verbal confrontation, but did he start a physical altercation? Did the victim feel physically threatened and felt he needed to protect himself physically? Did it spiral out of control to the point where Zimmerman was reasonably concerned for his life? No way to tell so acquit. This case is a natural extension of the Florida stand your ground law.

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