The State of Florida vs George Zimmerman: The Trial

The police thought it was a very important factor in Zimmerman's creating a provocative situation, and a factor in why Zimmerman had failed to defuse the situation, or to allay fears on the part of Martin.

You're simply ignorant of the conclusions the police arrived at after completing their investigation. I've read those reports. They are on the internet available for you to read as well.

That's because the police know what they are doing, and how to handle situations, and that's also why Zimmerman should have remained in his vehicle, as the dispatcher advised him to do, and simply waited for the police to arrive and handle the situation in their own way. Zimmerman exercised extremely poor judgment as was reflected in his reckless and impulsive behaviors. And part of that was evident in his failure to ID himself to Martin.

For all Martin knew, Zimmerman was a serial killer. Martin died never knowing why Zimmerman had been stalking him.

So what, even if true, as it does not change the situation in any way or in any manner.

Zimmerman have the right as a citizen to call 911 over someone acting strangely member of crime watch or not and he have the rights to follow Trayvon on the public streets also.

Since words don't get through to you, let's see if you can understand simple pictures--this one should be at your intellectual level of comprehension. It really should be your avatar.

I am sick of going over the night Zimmerman shot an unarmed teenager with you. You are going to say what you say regardless so it is useless.

Well Firefly I have looked on the web, and I can't seem to find where it says he was under obligation to ID himself. I know what the police report says, but I can't find anything saying he had to ID himself.

If you can find something then please post it.

Not only that, BillRM keeps insisting this happened on "public streets". What "public streets"--the entire incident took place inside a private gated community.

And the homeowners association of that private gated community has already paid a $1 million+ settlement to Tryavon Martin's parents because their son wasn't safe in that private gated community--he wasn't safe from George Zimmerman.

It's completely useless to discuss any aspect of this case with BillRM--his assertions are mainly distortions and fantasies and his actual factual knowledge of the evidence in this case is just about nil.

He's supporting Zimmerman only because he's a fellow gun-toter, and he's smearing Martin with a lot of false negative stereotypes that reflect his own racist attitudes, as well as the NRA's agenda of hyping fear to promote gun ownership.

BillRM hasn't even had the decency to apologize to cicerone imposter for the rather disgusting remarks he made to him earlier in this thread. BillRM did the same thing in a thread about rape when he made absolutely vile remarks to A2K members who revealed their own experiences with having been raped. The man is a pig. So why are you surprised he's pig-headed?

Anybody who hasn't watched Mark O'Mara's closing arguments, needs to.

There is no smearing of Martin. It is a fact that he has been kicked out of school on at least 2 different occasions. It is a fact that he was found with jewelry that didn't belong to him. So what he says it wasn't his, people use that excuse all the time when they get busted with stuff. We know for a fact that he attacked Zimmerman and it is your guess that it was self defense even though a not-guilty verdict was given during the trial.

You want to use character information about Zimmerman, that is the only thing that is taking place with Martin. Turn about is fair play in this instance. If you can't handle the factual information about Martin, then don't expect anyone to accept your factual information about Zimmerman.

By the way, none of are surprised that an ex of any kind would get a restraining order against their ex. It is a tactic that has been used by men and women since the invention of the restraining order.

It will be interesting to see if any charges are brought against him by the cousin he supposedly molested. Once again innocent till proven guilty. Although I'm sure he have thought of him as guilty for everything that has come out in the bias media.

Funny how innocent until proven guilty applies to Zimmerman with allegations from his ex-wife and cousin but not Martin and his supposed women's jewelry.

You are correct Rev. Martin should be innocent till proven guilty, to bad the school district didn't seem fit to try and press charges. Guess we won't know.

Why do you carry a gun and advocate everyone carrying one? I guess that if you thought someone was following you, you would just shoot them out of hand. Than invoke your I thought my life was in danger excuse.

Big deal. He was a 16 year old kid, in his first year at a new high school he had transferred into, and one of his suspensions was for "tardiness" and cutting class.

BillRM has him characterized as a "hoodlum" a "thug" and a "gang-member"--none of which were true--nor would those things be true of most middle class high school kids--Trayvon Martin was not an inner city ghetto teen, nor was he disruptive, aggressive, or a kid with "attitude"--his English teacher said he was not known for misbehaving, and that he "majored in cheerfulness". His future plans included attending college, just like his older brother was doing, and just as his mother had done. And all he was doing the night that Zimmerman profiled, followed, and killed him, was trying to dodge the rain as he talked on his cell phone and walked home from the store.

The factual information about Zimmerman is far more troubling because it included an arrest for slugging a law enforcement officer who was trying to arrest someone else--which is why Zimmerman was court-ordered to take anger management.

And most people do not view restraining orders as innocuous, or routine, and one reason that Zimmerman's ex-fiancée got such an order against him was because he had been stalking her, in addition to the domestic violence.

Zimmerman had a past history of impulsive and aggressive behaviors, and he was on psychiatric medications, and seeing a psychologist, at the time of the shooting. This son of a judge hadn't even managed to graduate from community college by the age of 28, and when he applied to be a police officer, he was turned down because his credit was so bad. At one of his various jobs, a fellow employee had complained to management because Zimmerman was constantly "bullying" him. A successful, well-functioning individual, George Zimmerman was not.

And Zimmerman shot down his own credibility by the lying and deception and attempts to conceal evidence that went on with his bail. He has no regard for the law, the justice system, or the truth. The man is a brazen liar of very questionable character.

It will also be interesting to see if the IRS gets after him for all that transferring of assets between accounts, which looks like attempts to conceal income from their vantage point, and whether the funds in his legal defense fund were declared as income since he and his wife used them to pay off their pre-existing credit card and phone bills.

No, no one knows that for a fact. The last thing Rachel Jeantel heard Martin say to Zimmerman was, "Get off me." That's not what someone would say as they "attacked"--it's more likely the statement of someone who is being provoked to respond defensively because Zimmerman was posing a threat to him, after having stalked him in the dark, without ever identifying himself or his motives to Martin. Martin may well have been exercising his right of self-defense.

"Big deal" is spot on! I've been kicked out of school for fighting too much with kids who picked on me because I wore eyeglasses. They stopped bothering me once I fought with them.

I'm now 78 years old, and have lived a pretty decent life.

Some people just don't have the brains to understand what happens in childhood doesn't necessarily affect their adulthood - and visa-versa.

I advocate everyone carrying a firearm since when and where?



LOL and where do you come up with such nonsense? I would need to be put in the same kind of position as Zimmerman happen to had been IE under attacked and in serous and reasonable fear of death or serous harm.

The only one who attacked anyone for following them was Trayvon and you seems ok with a deadly attack if someone follow you not me.

Did ever attacked an adult for annoying you such as following you?

An Trayvon might had grown up to be a fine citizen but on that night he ,by his own actions, placed under person life and well being in danger to the degree that Zimmerman by a jury verdict was in his right to used deadly force to stop the attack.

Trayvon would eventually have ended up in some sort of a Flori-DUH prison and the first question the other animals there would have asked would have been about stealing wedding rings....

Some people also don't understand there was only one adult in this situation--and adults should be held to a higher standard of responsibility and judgement than a high school junior who isn't even old enough to buy a pack of cigarettes.

Zimmerman, an adult armed with a gun, irresponsibly and recklessly pursued a child in the darkness of a gated community, in disregard of Neighborhood Watch rules, and the advisement of a police dispatcher--all to satisfy his own personal obsessions, and because he couldn't properly control his impulses. And his judgment was so impaired, he never identified himself or his motives to this child, which might have defused the situation or allayed the child's fears.

The fault lies squarely on the adult in this situation.

The school did turn it in and the police found that the jewelry didn't match any that was stolen. Martin said that he was holding it for a friend but wouldn't say who. There is no reason to assume he lied to the school when confronted about it.


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Crump was right, Trayvon Martin trouble which did start after moving to a new school, (read about him) had nothing to do with Zimmerman targeting Martin for a punk who wasn't going to get away this time because he had no idea of who he was. He didn't deserve to get shot because he started to get into a little trouble right before his death.

The question I'd like to see some sort of an answer to is what exactly motivated the GOP governor of that place to sic Angela Corey on GZ.

No, the jury didn't say Zimmerman was "right" to use deadly force--far from it. The verdict simply said, in accord with Florida law, that he might have been in fear for his life when he fired his gun, and he, therefore, under Florida law, was entitled to the benefit of the doubt that it was self-defense.

And one juror has said those flawed self-defense laws should be changed, and another said, "George Zimmerman got away with murder."