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The State of Florida vs George Zimmerman: The Trial

 
 
cicerone imposter
 
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Wed 7 Aug, 2013 10:13 pm
@firefly,
"They" not only take it for granted, but have become insensitive to those who "looks" different from them - and treat them in ways that they would never consider against other whites.
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BillRM
 
  0  
Wed 7 Aug, 2013 10:16 pm
@Baldimo,
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Insulting him? I didn't call him a bigot with no proof. I just said he was full of **** because he has no proof and is insulting me. Who's baiting who?


Let me get this straight Firefly is complaining that you insulted someone?

This is the "lady" who like CBS on the 911 Zimmerman tape did some very created editing on a comment of mine so she could joyfully exclaimed that I had admitted to being a low life child porn trader, who when I stated that BAC of .08 as a cut off point is too low and we should consider returning to the .1 standard charge me with being a drunk and a drunk diver, then when I took the position that adult women should not be allowed to claimed rape after the fact due to lack of a valid consent cause by their being voluntarily under the influence of drugs and or alcohol she call me a rapist or at best a would be rapist.

An of course anyone who does not think that race played any role in a simple self defense case must be a bigot.

The very idea that she can complain about you insulting someone is amusing indeed.
Rockhead
 
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Wed 7 Aug, 2013 10:22 pm
@BillRM,
and then there is her crew, billy.

don't let's forget about her entourage that follows you around...
BillRM
 
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Wed 7 Aug, 2013 10:28 pm
@Rockhead,
Quote:
and then there is her crew, billy.

don't let's forget about her entourage that follows you around..


Well the evil lady is a lot brighter then the rest of you so her being your leader is not too surprising now is it?

Kind of similar to the concept of the man with one eye being the king in the country of the blind but instead of eyes it is brain power or the lack of same.
Frank Apisa
 
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Thu 8 Aug, 2013 03:24 am
@Baldimo,
Baldimo wrote:

Come on Frank I'm looking for proof. You wanna talk **** then back it up. You want to claim something without proof then so be it, but don't claim it if you can't prove it.


So...you are looking for proof that I think you are a bigot.

Okay...I present Frank Apisa.

Frank: "Do you think that Baldimo is a bigot?"

Response from Frank: "Yes."

BillRM
 
  0  
Thu 8 Aug, 2013 05:12 am
@Frank Apisa,
Quote:
So...you are looking for proof that I think you are a bigot.

Okay...I present Frank Apisa.

Frank: "Do you think that Baldimo is a bigot?"

Response from Frank: "Yes."




LOL

For all of the readers here, I will cheerfully rest my case that Firefly is a hell of a lot brighter then the posters who are her followers on the above post.
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RABEL222
 
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Thu 8 Aug, 2013 07:44 am
@gungasnake,
Dont think so. He would have been hanging from a tree and you would have been on the free end of the rope pulling.
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revelette
 
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Thu 8 Aug, 2013 08:36 am
On the issue of racism it seems there is a new (maybe not so new) way for racist to get away with it by blaming the victim of racism of race baiting for talking of racism.

For example take what happened to Obama from some protestors in Arizona.

Quote:
A raucous crowd of supporters and protesters from both ends of the political spectrum showed up outside President Barack Obama's appearance in Phoenix, Ariz. on Tuesday, with some of his detractors turning to racially charged attacks to express their opposition.

From the Arizona Republic:

Obama foes at one point sang, "Bye Bye Black Sheep," a derogatory reference to the president's skin color, while protesters like Deanne Bartram raised a sign saying, "Impeach the Half-White Muslim!"

The Republic reported that hundreds of people gathered outside Desert Vista High School as Obama unveiled a plan to overhaul the nation's mortgage finance system. Some protesters came from Obama's left, urging him to reject the Keystone XL oil pipeline and take other actions on climate change. But a prevailing theme among many in the protest appeared to be issues of race. Some even suggested that Obama himself was to blame for racial tensions.

“We have gone back so many years,” Judy Burris told the Republic, arguing Obama had taken the nation back to pre-Civil Rights era levels of racism. “He’s divided all the races. I hate him for that.”

Others carried signs calling for Obama to be impeached, Tucson News Now reported, though despite the negativity, the majority of those in attendance were Obama fans.


source

In the speech Obama gave he talked about the experiences he went through and many black males have gone through to try to emphasize where the outrage from blacks was coming from on the issue of Trayvon Martin being racial profiled by Zimmerman. Because of that speech and other remarks he made, he is accused of race baiting when he was just speaking the truth as he saw it. He went to Arizona and people chanted "bye bye black sheep" and then people think there is not racism anymore expect in the minds of black folks? Get real.
cicerone imposter
 
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Thu 8 Aug, 2013 10:31 am
@revelette,
Isn't it amazing how "sensitive" whites can get when a minority speaks about their own experiences? What they're saying is, "keep it to yourself." So, now, all whites shouldn't express their personal experiences either! Right?
Mr. Green

Bigots are always blind and stupid.
Rockhead
 
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Thu 8 Aug, 2013 10:35 am
@BillRM,
you sir, are a paranoid goober...
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BillRM
 
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Thu 8 Aug, 2013 10:39 am
@revelette,
Quote:
he is accused of race baiting when he was just speaking the truth as he saw it.


Among other things it is the President not the Attorney General that is the de facto top legal officer of the US with the power to fired the AG at whim.

Taking positions that undercut the legal system and even showing little respect for a jury verdict is wrong on many many levels.

This is from a president that taught constitutional law of all things but then of late the man had shown little respect for the bills of rights either in many areas.




BillRM
 
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Thu 8 Aug, 2013 10:43 am
@cicerone imposter,
Quote:
Isn't it amazing how "sensitive" whites can get when a minority speaks about their own experiences? What they're saying is, "keep it to yourself." So, now, all whites shouldn't express their personal experiences either! Right?


Strange when this is coming from a minority member that the people of the US as a whole black, white, red, brown, yellow and whatever elected as their President and after only serving one term as a US senator.
parados
 
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Thu 8 Aug, 2013 10:47 am
@BillRM,
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Taking positions that undercut the legal system and even showing little respect for a jury verdict is wrong on many many levels.

Talk about hyperbole that is over the top.

What position did he take that undercuts the legal system?
Where and when did he show little respect for a jury verdict?

Your opinion is not factual and isn't even close to facts in this case.
Or can we just accuse you of having no respect for the legal system since you have disagreed with court rulings?
cicerone imposter
 
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Thu 8 Aug, 2013 10:50 am
@BillRM,
You're one of those "insensitive white slobs" who's also a racial bigot. Almost everybody on a2k knows that about you! You're a fool.
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BillRM
 
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Thu 8 Aug, 2013 10:56 am
@parados,
Comments before the trial that Trayvon could had been his son and when a Jury verdict had declared that Zimmerman had acted in legal self defense due to Trayvon attack he up the ante by declaring he could had been Trayvon 37 years ago.

What the hell was my first reaction as one of the millions of whites who had voted for the man two times and from reports as did Zimmerman also, stating that he would in effect had assaulted and try to killed Zimmerman in Trayvon place!!!!!!!!

firefly
 
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Thu 8 Aug, 2013 11:56 am
@revelette,
Quote:
On the issue of racism it seems there is a new (maybe not so new) way for racist to get away with it by blaming the victim of racism of race baiting for talking of racism.

I think in the case of Obama, there are people who have never been happy with the fact that our President is black because they were biased to begin with. So when he reminds everyone he is black, by commenting on his own experiences and feelings, as he did with Trayvon Martin, he kicks up a lot of dust, on all sides, because he is seen as supportive of the black community, lending legitimacy to their grievances, and helping to empower them.

A lot of people in this country, who don't consider themselves racially biased, really don't want to see blacks politically and socially empowered, with the capacity to effectively organize and control policy and decisions. As long as they remain an underclass, still dependent on the help and assistance of the white power structure, that's fine. But anyone who gives voice to the black community's dissatisfaction with that position of inequity, soon faces accusations of "race-baiting". Why? Because whites prefer to see issues of race in this country still kept in the closet, denied, ignored, and swept under the rug. "Race-baiting" is the epithet hurled at those who demand an open discussion of race, who call for change, who tap into already existing conflicts and dissatisfactions, and who disturb the fantasy that all is well and harmonious in our great country.

Those who feel no compunctions about attacking the ones they see as black "race-baiters", generally exercise selective perception, and ignore the pernicious race-baiters on the right--the Tea Party types, the ones who want to "take back our country", meaning they will cling to notions of white (generally male) supremacy, and their guns, until someone pries both from their cold dead hands, because they panic at the idea that whites are slowly losing their majority status in America and they can sense the ground crumbling under their feet. That's who was out in Arizona yesterday, telling the President of the United States, "go back where you came from," referring to his skin color, and denying the legitimacy of his Christian beliefs by calling him a Muslim. It would be an affront to our nation if our President was treated so disrespectfully elsewhere in the world, that it happens on our home turf, is an out-and-out disgrace. It exposes the very real racial divide that no one has to manufacture, because it's already there.

There is no doubt that the Zimmerman case hit a racial nerve in this country. Those who say there are no racial aspects to it, including those saying it in this thread, are ironically doing the most to show just how much about race it has been, and still is--by constantly and systematically trying to excuse or deny racial profiling, and then, rather paradoxically, by trashing the victim with every negative racial stereotype they could possibly ascribe to a young black male, with almost complete disregard for reality, and the totality of the circumstances that led to his death.

If victim-bashing, and victim-blame have to be employed this to this extent, so this victim is seen as solely responsible for his own death, then these people really don't believe George Zimmerman--they feel compelled to bolster his questionable account with fantasy embellishments of his victim to make a supposedly stronger case for his possibly unjustified shooting of that victim. That is not the legal case for Zimmerman that was actually made at his trial, or the reason he was acquitted by the jurors, it is an expression of racial bias on the part of these posters, and this case provides an excuse for its expression.

These same victim-bashers and victim-blamers fear the potency of Trayvon Martin as a symbol to energize and mobilize the black community, which adds to their zeal in trying to discredit the character and memory of this young person. Their efforts won't work--this sort of race-baiting, which is what it is, will help to solidify the black community even more because it shows them the racially biased forces they are up against, and it gives them renewed energy to push back against them. Trayvon Martin will continue to be a symbol of the cry for justice, and the need for change, long after George Zimmerman fades into oblivion and resumes the nonentity status he held before he became known for the dubious notoriety of killing someone.
cicerone imposter
 
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Thu 8 Aug, 2013 12:00 pm
@firefly,
And all this is happening at a time when WASPS becomes smaller in the US.

Their fear is tangible.
BillRM
 
  1  
Thu 8 Aug, 2013 12:08 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Quote:
And all this is happening at a time when WASPS becomes smaller in the US.

Their fear is tangible.


Strange fear in placing a black man in the Whitehouse with their votes and it is not blacks who are becoming a larger percents of the population it is Latins you know the very group that Zimmerman in a member of, that you people did wish to throw under the bus in the name of a very strange racial justice.
Rockhead
 
  1  
Thu 8 Aug, 2013 12:10 pm
@BillRM,
Zimmerman speaks Spanish?

parados
 
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Thu 8 Aug, 2013 12:11 pm
@BillRM,
Well Bill, even with your idiotic reaction that in no way undermined the legal system.
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