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The State of Florida vs George Zimmerman: The Trial

 
 
BillRM
 
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Mon 29 Jul, 2013 12:41 pm
@cicerone imposter,
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It doesn't disprove anything! The medic already said Zimmerman's injuries were not traumatic. Zimmerman refused to be taken to the hospital.


An once more as one of the prosecutor own witnesses stated from the stand you do not need to wait under you are seriously harm before defensing yourself.
Rockhead
 
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Mon 29 Jul, 2013 12:45 pm
@McGentrix,
"My son broke his nose playing basketball and it didn't even bleed"

did he shoot the kid that did it...?
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firefly
 
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Mon 29 Jul, 2013 12:48 pm
http://www.truthdig.com/images/made/images/cartoonuploads/handwash_500_379.jpg
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revelette
 
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Mon 29 Jul, 2013 12:48 pm
@McGentrix,
I don't recall an ice pack being used at the police station on his injuries. Do you have anything to back up that statement?

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firefly
 
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Mon 29 Jul, 2013 12:55 pm
@BillRM,
Quote:

An once more as one of the prosecutor own witnesses stated from the stand you do not need to wait under you are seriously harm before defensing yourself.

So you would agree that Trayvon Martin was right in punching Zimmerman in the nose, if he feared this creepy guy with a gun, who had been following him in the dark, might seriously harm him?

Trayvon didn't have to wait until Zimmerman shot him before defending himself, right?
Baldimo
 
  1  
Mon 29 Jul, 2013 01:09 pm
@firefly,
You are guessing that Zimmerman had his gun out which the facts do not support.
BillRM
 
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Mon 29 Jul, 2013 01:17 pm
@Baldimo,
Quote:
You are guessing that Zimmerman had his gun out which the facts do not support.


I do not read Firefly nonsense however if she is trying to state that Zimmerman had a gun out before Trayvon knocked him down that is very unlikely.

Hell if Zimmerman had have a gun out it is far more likely that Trayvon would still be alive and still be running as he would not had attacked Zimmerman.
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firefly
 
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Mon 29 Jul, 2013 01:44 pm
@Baldimo,
I'm not guessing that he followed Martin in the dark and frightened him, or that he gave Martin reason to fear him because of the way he was acting by stalking him. That's what Martin said to Rachel Jeantel--he was concerned about this man who was watching and following him, and she became concerned about it too.

The last thing Jeantel heard Martin say, to Zimmerman, was, "Get off me."

That alone justifies Trayvon Martin acting in self-defense--it suggests Zimmerman was making an aggressive action toward him.
Quote:
You are guessing that Zimmerman had his gun out which the facts do not support


The facts don't refute that possibility either. It is very possible that Zimmerman either had the gun out, or had his hand on it, ready to pull it out, before Martin defensively punched him. And, as soon as he hit the ground, Zimmerman had it out. What followed after that, was not a fight with either of them throwing punches, it was a struggle over the gun.

That scenario is more consistent with the evidence that Trayvon showed no signs of being punched, and Zimmerman showed signs of only one punch to the nose. So the facts would support the possibility that Trayvon was trying to protect his own life, and the alleged "fight" was a struggle over the gun. It would have been almost impossible for Zimmerman to have gotten his gun out once Martin was on top of him--the gun was under Zimmerman, toward the back.

But, we will never know what actually happened...because the other eyewitness is dead.

http://25.media.tumblr.com/2f80d3807afa55ee55bb68467d716389/tumblr_mpzrh8xh1i1rb7jc5o1_500.jpg



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McGentrix
 
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Mon 29 Jul, 2013 01:48 pm
When did it become ok to make racist cartoons about Hispanics?
revelette
 
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Mon 29 Jul, 2013 02:18 pm
@McGentrix,
I honestly thought it was just a cowboy, you know like in the old west. What is Hispanic about it? I might have missed it.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Mon 29 Jul, 2013 02:21 pm
@firefly,
If any white guy approaches you, and you're black, just lie down on the ground - with your hands up. That might save your life.
Rockhead
 
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Mon 29 Jul, 2013 02:22 pm
@McGentrix,
what exactly is racist about it, mcG?
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BillRM
 
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Mon 29 Jul, 2013 02:35 pm
@cicerone imposter,
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If any white guy approaches you, and you're black, just lie down on the ground - with your hands up. That might save your life.


Better yet if you approach anyone or they approach you do not knocked them down breaking their nose and then get on top of them and try to pound their brains out on the sidewalk no matter what the color of everyone skins happen to be.
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revelette
 
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Mon 29 Jul, 2013 02:42 pm
@cicerone imposter,
You better hurry and lie down too. Posted this in another thread:

Deputies shoot man in his front yard

cicerone imposter
 
  2  
Mon 29 Jul, 2013 03:08 pm
@revelette,
Racial bigots will never understand the mistreatment blacks get in this country every day of their life. Maybe, some day, whites will get the short end of the stick like blacks do today, and begin to understand what it's like living in their shoes.

But, I doubt it.
BillRM
 
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Mon 29 Jul, 2013 03:12 pm
Zimmerman is the strangest racist that ever was born it would seem.

But facts never bother the fireflies among us on this website.......


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http://news.investors.com/ibd-editorials/071513-663808-fbi-report-undermines-race-case-against-zimmerman.htm

FBI's Zimmerman Probe Shows Holder's Got No Case

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Mob Justice: Attorney General Eric Holder confirms he'll do the bidding of racial arsonists and look into bringing criminal civil-rights charges against George Zimmerman. Good luck with that.

The state of Florida just spent more than $1 million prosecuting Zimmerman for murder in the Trayvon Martin shooting and couldn't find a shred of evidence he was animated by racial hatred. A jury summarily dismissed the trumped-up charges.

What's more, charging Zimmerman under federal hate-crimes law would defy the findings of the FBI's own investigation conducted last year. All told, agents interviewed no fewer than 45 Zimmerman co-workers, neighbors and other acquaintances — including even his ex-fiance — and found no evidence of racial bias.


None said Zimmerman, a neighborhood crime watch captain, had expressed racial animus at any time prior to the Feb. 26, 2012, self-defense shooting of Martin, who while under the influence of illegal drugs had jumped Zimmerman, breaking his nose and bashing his head repeatedly on the pavement. The 17-year-old Martin was visiting Zimmerman's gated community in Sanford, Fla., while on school suspension for alleged burglary.

Lead Sanford Police Detective Chris Serino told the FBI that race wasn't behind the shooting.

"Serino believed that Zimmerman's actions were not based on Martin's skin color (but) rather on his attire, the total circumstances of the encounter and the previous burglary suspects in the community," the FBI wrote in its report. "Serino described Zimmerman as overzealous and as having a 'little hero complex,' but not as a racist."

Even an African-American officer — Sanford Police Sgt. Arthur Barns — denied Zimmerman targeted Martin because he was black. He "felt the shooting was not racially motivated," the FBI report stated.

The report also noted Zimmerman's mixed-race family and volunteer work helping underprivileged African-American children. Not only does he have black relatives, he has also donated his time tutoring black kids.

In effect, the FBI has already cleared Zimmerman of race crime. If anybody's civil rights were violated, it was Zimmerman's — with help from Holder.

After Holder and his pal Al Sharpton pressured state prosecutors to rush out an arrest warrant, Zimmerman was denied a grand jury review of evidence and any formal indictment — in violation of the Fifth Amendment.

And that arrest affidavit was nakedly corrupt. Special prosecutor Angela Corey withheld material exculpatory facts, such as photos of head and facial wounds suffered by Zimmerman, which backed his claims of self-defense.

Corey also withheld exculpatory evidence from Zimmerman's defense team. After a whistleblower from her office — Ben Kruidbos — testified prosecutors failed to turn over damning photos and text messages retrieved from Martin's cellphone, Corey fired him.

During her "fair and unbiased" investigation, Corey prayed with Martin's parents, even holding their hands during one meeting. She not only overcharged Zimmerman but also covered up evidence that would have exonerated him. In short, she denied him due process.

So if the Justice Department wants to launch an investigation into the Zimmerman case, it ought to focus on Corey and her corrupt office.

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spendius
 
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Mon 29 Jul, 2013 03:14 pm
@cicerone imposter,
And if that does happen the blacks will do the same thing to whites. Which some will say is a sufficient reason for the shoes to stay where they are.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Mon 29 Jul, 2013 03:38 pm
@BillRM,
Not strange at all; he was a racist. He identified a black boy to be a robber - without any evidence or cause. If Trayvon had been white, Zimmerman wouldn't have even considered anything wrong. NONE.
Baldimo
 
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Mon 29 Jul, 2013 03:42 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Now you are just guessing. Your own internal racism is causing you to guess at the intentions of others. You were duped by the news stories re-arrangement of the 9-11 phone call.
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gungasnake
 
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Mon 29 Jul, 2013 03:52 pm
@BillRM,
The ONLY thing which is stopping Eric Holder from charging Zimmerman with some sort of a civil-rights violation is the sure knowledge that it would blow up in his face.
 

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