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The State of Florida vs George Zimmerman: The Trial

 
 
Frank Apisa
 
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Sat 27 Jul, 2013 11:51 am
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:

Quote:
Zimmerman made his bed.

now he gets to lie in it...


You are a sick SOB as sick as those who are issuing the threats.

If you wish a lawless society where we allow the replacement of the justice system and honoring jury verdicts with private vendettas I do not think that you will be happy with the results as the gun nuts will rule the lands and mainly the white gun nuts at that.

Now Zimmerman have every damn right in the world to live his life in freedom and safety but disregarding him his wife, his brother, his parents, his lawyers and the jury members and their children surely should not be targets under any theory even a sick SOB like you can come up with.





What about the people who feel threatened by people like Zimmerman walking around free with weapons hidden on their bodies?

Don't they have rights?

If I lived in Florida...anywhere near Zimmerman...and I were black...I sure as hell would feel threatened. Would I have the right to defend myself if suddenly I found myself in the same parking lot as Zimmerman?

Or do you think he has all the rights...and we others have none?

I would be very fearful of people like you, Bill...or David...or any of the gun carrying people posting here.

If I were living in Florida...and ran into any of you...would I have the right to defend myself from my percieved fear of you...by shooting you?
Frank Apisa
 
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Sat 27 Jul, 2013 11:53 am
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

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(CNN) -- A Kentucky mother stepped outside of her home just for a few minutes, but it was long enough for her 5-year-old son to accidentally shoot and kill his 2-year-old sister with the .22-caliber rifle he got for his birthday, state officials said.
The shooting that took the life of Caroline Sparks in southern Kentucky has been ruled an accident, Kentucky State Police Trooper Billy Gregory said.
"It's just one of those nightmares," he said, "a quick thing that happens when you turn your back."
Young children in the area are often introduced to guns at an early age, Gregory said.
Ferguson: Irresponsible humans, not guns
"In this part of the country, it's not uncommon for a 5-year-old to have a gun or for a parent to pass one down to their kid," he said.
Her family kept the Crickett rifle in what they considered to be a safe spot, Cumberland County Coroner Gary White told the CNN affiliate.
The boy was playing with it Tuesday when it accidentally went off and killed his sister, White said.
"The little Crickett rifle is a single-shot rifle, and it has a child safety," White told CNN. "It's just a tragic situation."
Kids and guns: 'These are not isolated tragedies'



When I asked David about this kind of thing...he pretty much said it should be okay to allow young kids (we arbitrarily used 8 years old) to carry guns!

Am I allowed to be in fear from people who think like that? And if I am in fear, should a civilized society allow it to come down to a shoot out...with the person drawing first and shooting straightest being the winner?
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oralloy
 
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Sat 27 Jul, 2013 11:54 am
@gungasnake,
gungasnake wrote:
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r53/icebear46/lean_zps08bf3934.jpg


Anyone know if Trayvon was tested for DXM after he was shot?

Anyone know if drugs in the Angel Dust/PCP family will cause extreme violence even when the addict isn't currently high?
oralloy
 
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Sat 27 Jul, 2013 11:55 am
@Rockhead,
Rockhead wrote:
Zimmerman made his bed.
now he gets to lie in it...

No. What Zimmerman gets to do is shoot more people in self defense when they are dumb enough to attack him.

Sooner or later you clowns will learn to leave him alone.
gungasnake
 
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Sat 27 Jul, 2013 11:59 am
@oralloy,
In the 1980s, Prince Georges County Md. had the reputation as the PCP capital of the world. I've spoken with cops who dealt with it and they told me they were seeing kids as young as ten who were totally burned out with no hope or possibility of recovery, no idea who they were, where they needed to be, which way was up or down.....
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gungasnake
 
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Sat 27 Jul, 2013 12:05 pm
@Frank Apisa,
Quote:
What about the people who feel threatened by people like Zimmerman...


The only people with any rational reason to fear George Zimmerman are burglars. You a burglar, Frank??
firefly
 
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Sat 27 Jul, 2013 12:12 pm
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BillRM
 
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Sat 27 Jul, 2013 12:22 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Quote:
The only sickos around here are the gun-happy yokels who think their rights to bear arms also has rights to kill blacks at will. They get off free 73% of the time.


So killing or threatening to killed the children of the women that was on the Zimmerman Jury is fine with you?
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BillRM
 
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Sat 27 Jul, 2013 12:25 pm
@Frank Apisa,
Quote:
What about the people who feel threatened by people like Zimmerman walking around free with weapons hidden on their bodies?


An why should a Zimmerman not be walking around with firearms with special note that there are people promising to finish the job that Trayvon started?

The government by not taking any actions against those issuing those threats seem to be approving those threats.

If you do not attacked the man why would anyone have any reason to fear him howcver?

Yes he is indeed dangerous as if you try to killed him he had proven that he will defend himself so the lesson for all those blacks living near him should take in is not to attacked him and placed him in reasonable fear for his life by so doing.
Frank Apisa
 
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Sat 27 Jul, 2013 12:26 pm
@gungasnake,
gungasnake wrote:

Quote:
What about the people who feel threatened by people like Zimmerman...


The only people with any rational reason to fear George Zimmerman are burglars. You a burglar, Frank??


Not a burglar, Gunga. Neither was Trayvon.

I fear people like Zimmerman and Bill and David and you.

If I encountered any of you in a parking lot in Florida...I would most assuredly fear you all. Would I have a right to shoot you because of that fear?

Take my word for it...it would be dread. I would be in sincere fear for my life.
Frank Apisa
 
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Sat 27 Jul, 2013 12:28 pm
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:

Quote:
What about the people who feel threatened by people like Zimmerman walking around free with weapons hidden on their bodies?


An why should a Zimmerman not be walking around with firearms with special note that there are people promising to finish the job that Trayvon started?

If you do not attacked the man why would anyone have any reason to fear him?


I would fear him anyway. Dread him. I would fear you also, Bill. I do not think either you or Zimmerman are stable enough to be carrying a weapon...and I would be in fear of my life if I encountered you.

What makes you think I should have a greater reason for my fear? Listen to what you people (minus Zimmerman) have said on this forum.
firefly
 
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Sat 27 Jul, 2013 12:31 pm
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The New York Times
July 24, 2013
Standing Our Ground

By CHARLES M. BLOW

This is yet another moment when America should take stock of where the power structures are leading us, how they play on our fears — fan our fears — to feed their fortunes.

On no subject is this more clear than on the subject of guns.

While it is proper and necessary to analyze the case in which George Zimmerman shot and killed Trayvon Martin for what it says about profiling and police practices, it is possibly more important to analyze what it says about our increasingly vigilante-oriented gun culture.

The industry and its lobby have successfully pushed two fallacies: that the Second Amendment is under siege and so are law-abiding citizens.

They endlessly preach that more guns make us safer and any attempt at regulation is an injury to freedom. And while the rest of us have arguments about Constitutional intent and gun-use statistics, the streets run red with the blood of the slain, and the gun industry laughs all the way to the bank.

Gun sales have surged. And our laws are quickly being adjusted to allow people to carry those guns everywhere they go and to give legal cover to use lethal force when nonlethal options are available.

This is our America in a most frightful time.

When Illinois — which has experienced extraordinary carnage in its largest city — enacted legislation this month allowing the concealed carrying of firearms, it lost its place as the lone holdout. Now “concealed carry” is the law in all 50 states.

And as The Wall Street Journal reported this month, “concealed carry” permit applications are also surging while restrictions are being loosened. Do we really need to have our guns with us in church, or at the bar? More states are answering that question in the affirmative.

And now that more people are walking around with weapons dangling from their bodies, states have moved to make the use of those guns more justifiable.

Florida passed the first Stand Your Ground law (or “shoot first” law, as some have called it) in 2005. It allows a person to use deadly force if he or she is afraid of being killed or seriously injured. In Florida, that right to kill even extends to an initial aggressor.

After Florida’s law, other states quickly followed with the help and support of the N.R.A. and the American Legislative Exchange Council.

Ironically, the N.R.A. and other advocates pushed the laws in part as protection for women, those who were victims of domestic violence and those who might be victimized away from home.

The N.R.A.’s former president, Marion Hammer, argued in support of the bill in 2005 when she was an N.R.A. lobbyist: “You can’t expect a victim to wait and ask, ‘Excuse me, Mr. Criminal, are you going to rape me and kill me, or are you just going to beat me up and steal my television?’ ”

But, of course, the law is rarely used by women in those circumstances. The Tampa Bay Times looked at 235 cases in Florida, spanning 2005 to 2013, in which Stand Your Ground was invoked and found that only 33 of them were domestic disputes or arguments, and that in most of those cases men invoked the law, not women.

In fact, nearly as many people claimed Stand Your Ground in the “fight at bar/party” category as in domestic disputes.

And not only is the law rarely being invoked by battered women, it’s often invoked by hardened criminals. According to an article published last year by The Tampa Bay Times:

“All told, 119 people are known to have killed someone and invoked stand your ground. Those people have been arrested 327 times in incidents involving violence, property crimes, drugs, weapons or probation violations.”

And, as the paper pointed out, “more than a third of the defendants had previously been in trouble for threatening someone with a gun or illegally carrying a weapon.”

In fact, after Marissa Alexander, a battered Jacksonville wife, fired a warning shot at her abusive husband (to make him get out of the house, she said), her Stand Your Ground motion was denied. She is now facing a 20-year sentence.

Something is wrong here. We are not being made more secure, we are being made more barbaric. These laws are an abomination and an affront to morality and common sense. We can’t allow ourselves to be pawns in the gun industry’s profiteering. We are real people, and people have power.

Attorney General Eric Holder told the N.A.A.C.P. last week: “It’s time to question laws that senselessly expand the concept of self-defense and sow dangerous conflict in our neighborhoods. These laws try to fix something that was never broken.”

We must all stress this point, and fight and not get weary. We must stop thinking of politics as sport and spectacle and remember that it bends in response to pressure. These laws must be reviewed and adjusted. On this issue we, as Americans of good conscience, must stand our ground.


http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/25/opinion/blow-standing-our-ground.html?ref=trayvonmartin&_r=0

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BillRM
 
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Sat 27 Jul, 2013 12:42 pm
@Frank Apisa,
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Not a burglar, Gunga. Neither was Trayvon.


You right he just attempted to murder Zimmerman for the crime of annoying him.

Quote:
Would I have a right to shoot you because of that fear?


If I knocked you down and did my best to do serous harm or killed you of course you would have every right to shoot me or anyone else for doing so.

Fear that I dare to be legally arm is not enough as you well know my very dishonest friend it is reasonable fear that you life or you suffering great harm is in immediate danger due to my actions.

Not your fear of my possible actions.
firefly
 
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Sat 27 Jul, 2013 12:46 pm
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BillRM
 
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Sat 27 Jul, 2013 12:48 pm
@Frank Apisa,
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I would fear him anyway. Dread him. I would fear you also, Bill. I do not think either you or Zimmerman are stable enough to be carrying a weapon...and I would be in fear of my life if I encountered you.


Feel free to dread me all you desire to but unless you do some actions to placed myself or a love one welfare in serous danger you would have zero reasonable fear.

I had a nut get into my face on a parking lot and told me she was going to killed me in fact follow me home and killed me for bumping her car with a shopping cart and she never have a clue that I was armed and the only way she would had gotten that clue is if she had pulled out a gun or a knife to back up her threats.

Thankfully she didn't and just wind down and drove away after a few minutes of yelling threats at me.
Miller
 
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Sat 27 Jul, 2013 02:05 pm
The single hispanic female juror, has come out recently to say she believed that Zimmerman was really guilty.

How much do you suppose she got paid for her recent appearance on TV to say that?

One of her qualifications, as reported on TVnews, to become a juror in the Zimmerman trial, was the fact that she had 8 children.

Exactly, how did this qualify her to be a juror?
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oralloy
 
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Sat 27 Jul, 2013 02:11 pm
@gungasnake,

Frank Apisa wrote:
What about the people who feel threatened by people like Zimmerman...

They get to shut their mouth and mind their own business.



gungasnake wrote:
The only people with any rational reason to fear George Zimmerman are burglars. You a burglar, Frank??

Well, people who walk around strung out on Angel Dust and trying to beat random people to death might have something to fear from him as well. Very Happy

Who knows how many people might have died that night if Zimmerman hadn't noticed that Trayvon was up to no good. If Trayvon had gone back home and got himself strung out on fresh Angel Dust, and then gone out and broken into some of the homes he was just casing, it could have resulted in entire families being slaughtered.

But if Obama can say that some decades ago it could have been him trying to beat innocent people to death, maybe Frank was strung out on Angel Dust a few decades back.
Frank Apisa
 
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Sat 27 Jul, 2013 02:13 pm
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:

Quote:
Not a burglar, Gunga. Neither was Trayvon.


You right he just attempted to murder Zimmerman for the crime of annoying him.

Quote:
Would I have a right to shoot you because of that fear?


If I knocked you down and did my best to do serous harm or killed you of course you would have every right to shoot me or anyone else for doing so.

Fear that I dare to be legally arm is not enough as you well know my very dishonest friend it is reasonable fear that you life or you suffering great harm is in immediate danger due to my actions.

Not your fear of my possible actions.


Ahhh...so my fear of you is NOT ENOUGH...but Zimmerman's fear of Trayvon was enough.

YOU want to determine what is enough...what amount of fear has to be in order for the shooting to be justified.

I see.
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Frank Apisa
 
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Sat 27 Jul, 2013 02:15 pm
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:

Quote:
I would fear him anyway. Dread him. I would fear you also, Bill. I do not think either you or Zimmerman are stable enough to be carrying a weapon...and I would be in fear of my life if I encountered you.


Feel free to dread me all you desire to but unless you do some actions to placed myself or a love one welfare in serous danger you would have zero reasonable fear.


So the fact that you sound like a complete nut-case to me is not enough for me to be in dread. YOU determine when I should be in dread...not me.

Hummm!

Quote:
I had a nut get into my face on a parking lot and told me she was going to killed me in fact follow me home and killed me for bumping her car with a shopping cart and she never have a clue that I was armed and the only way she would had gotten that clue is if she had pulled out a gun or a knife to back up her threats.

Thankfully she didn't and just wind down and drove away after a few minutes of yelling threats at me.


Once again...hummm.
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oralloy
 
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Sat 27 Jul, 2013 02:19 pm
@BillRM,

Frank Apisa wrote:
Not a burglar, Gunga. Neither was Trayvon.

I've mentioned this before, but I don't remember what thread it was in, so here is a refresher: Everything Frank Apisa says is an outright lie.

Trayvon had previously been caught with burglary tools and stolen goods.


Frank Apisa wrote:
Would I have a right to shoot you because of that fear?

Frank, the only thing you have the right to do is shut your mouth and mind your own business.
 

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