The State of Florida vs George Zimmerman: The Trial

@cicerone imposter,

Is anything anybody said worth a blow on a ragman's snot-rag?

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@cicerone imposter,

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It's not about "threats to your family." It's about anyone who has a gun who is the pursuer of an innocent individual for crimes not committed.

This statement has nothing to do with the SYG laws. However, the SYG laws do not need to be abolished at all.
What Zimmerman was accused of doing had nothing to do with SYG, nor should he have been allowed to claim it did.

BUT, that does not mean the fundamental law is bad.

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There is no way to prove "I was afraid for my life."

So since it cant be proven, do you believe that nobody should be able to use that as a defense?
If you truly believe that, doesn't that eliminate ALL claims of self defense?

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http://www.trbimg.com/img-51e6f6dd/turbine/sfl-chan-lowe-trayvon-martin-george-zimmerman--001/555/555x384

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@mysteryman,

If it had nothing to do with SYG laws, you'd better inform the judge in the Zimmerman case that her instructions to the jury was wrong.

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@cicerone imposter,

Well given that SYG laws repeal would likely resulted in a lot more black men in prison then whites that is sadly amusing to me as the civil right movement leadership once more lead them over a cliff chatting no justice no peace.

Damn shame they had so many con-men in their leadership roles.

Zimmerman had no need for the SYG law and would had been found innocent under the old law as a duty to retreat if possible does not mean that Zimmerman must be a mind reader and had known that Trayvon would launch an attack on him before doing so.

Zimmerman was viewing Trayvon as possibly some minor criminal looking for a fast score and that class of criminals are not normally violence.

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@BillRM,

That's because your observations are seen as a bigot and not facts.

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@cicerone imposter,

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observations are seen as a bigot and not facts

What facts am I wrong about that so far the SYG had been used by more black men then whites and the results is that a lot of black men did not go to prison due to it?.

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@BillRM,

Provide reliable sources for your claim.

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@BillRM,

http://media.cagle.com/77/2012/03/22/108644_600.jpg

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@cicerone imposter,

I did in this thread already concerning the use of SYG law break down by race go back and look.

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@BillRM,

No, I don't believe you! I'm not going to waste my time on your word. Mr. Green

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@cicerone imposter,

Ok idiot here is a wonderful site for playing with the data on the SYL law.

is a interesting detail break down under the SYL law

Blacks using the SYG results

7 convictions 25 justified 8 pending

White using the SYG results

30 convictions 39 Justified 9 pending

As you can see the SYG work far better for blacks then white

http://www.tampabay.com/stand-your-ground-law/fatal-cases

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@cicerone imposter,

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No, I don't believe you! I'm not going to waste my time on your word

I just love your showing how must of a fool you happen to be by the way thanks for doing so.

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@BillRM,

Hey, people on a2k have called you a liar. I believe them more than I believe you! Prove me wrong. I doubt you can.

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@BillRM,

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• Defendants claiming "stand your ground" are more likely to prevail if the victim is black. Seventy-three percent of those who killed a black person faced no penalty compared to 59 percent of those who killed a white.

http://www.tampabay.com/news/publicsafety/crime/florida-stand-your-ground-law-yields-some-shocking-outcomes-depending-on/1233133

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@cicerone imposter,

From mediaite.com.

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The obvious problem with that claim is that all of those successful Stand Your Ground defenses came at the expense of other people’s lives, an obvious flaw that could have been sussed out even without reading the Daily Caller piece. Politicususa blogger Keith Brekhus did do the required reading:

While it is true that 2/3rds of African-Americans who used the “Stand Your Ground” defense were considered justified compared to a slightly lower 63 percent for whites, that disparity is due to the fact that most African-Americans invoking “Stand Your Ground” killed other blacks, whereas whites who invoked the defense typically killed other whites. In these cases, it is the race of the victim and not the killer that is most significant in determining whether “Stand Your Ground” is considered a justification for the homicide.
When the victim is white, the person who kills him or her is convicted 43 percent of the time. When the victim is black, the killer is only convicted 22 percent of the time. The killers of Hispanic victims are also convicted just 22 percent of the time.

You need to take some meds for "truth and ethics," or you'll end up in hell.

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@cicerone imposter,

It's no wonder racial bigots like BillRM love the SYG laws in Florida.

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@cicerone imposter,

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Hey, people on a2k have called you a liar. I believe them more than I believe you! Prove me wrong. I doubt you can.

Facts are facts even when the facts disagree with your positions but then you live in a fantasy world.

Oh beside being call a liar the same people had called me a drunk, a drunken driver , a pedophile,a rapist, a racist and at least a few other charges all for daring to disagree with them over issues.

I am the anti Christ if would seems.

Here is another interesting article on the break down on race for the SYG law.

http://reason.com/blog/2013/07/19/under-floridas-stand-your-ground-law-bla

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@cicerone imposter,

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The obvious problem with that claim is that all of those successful Stand Your Ground defenses came at the expense of other people’s lives, an obvious flaw that could have been sussed out even without reading the Daily Caller piece. Politicususa blogger Keith Brekhus did do the required reading:

Sorry bad logic as there are no expense in that no matter what the law happen to be most people will killed in self defense and living even in prison is better for most people then dying and even if you can get someone to be willing to die that just mean that the dead person change places with the survivor but we still would have the same numbers of deaths.

The SYG law does not take any lives unless you wish one more time to try to claims that people are running around looking for an excused to kill under that law and I had yet to see one bit of evidence that is the case.

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