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The State of Florida vs George Zimmerman: The Trial

 
 
parados
 
  1  
Fri 26 Jul, 2013 02:57 pm
@BillRM,
I see. So now that your original facts were wrong you will just pretend that your opinion is fact so you can justify your original comment.

By the way Bill, since we are playing that game, wouldn't you agree that all your statements prove you to be a racist cracker? It makes as much sense as your arguing Sharpton has the blood of blacks whites and jews on his hands.
firefly
 
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Fri 26 Jul, 2013 03:24 pm
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The New York Times
July 26, 2013

Slain Teenager’s Mother Says ‘Use My Tragedy’ to Fight ‘Stand Your Ground’
By SHERYL GAY STOLBERG

PHILADELPHIA — The mother of Trayvon Martin, the unarmed Florida teenager whose fatal shooting by a neighborhood watch volunteer has provoked a national debate over racial profiling and gun laws, appealed to a crowd of African-American advocates here Friday to “use my broken heart” to prevent a repeat of what happened to her son.

“My message to you is, please use my story, please use my tragedy, please use my broken heart to say to yourself, ‘We cannot let this happen to anybody else’s child,' ” Sybrina Fulton said during a brief but emotional luncheon talk to a gathering of the National Urban League. She received a standing ovation.

Her appearance came on the heels of comments by a juror in the case who said Thursday that she believed Mr. Zimmerman “got away with murder.” Though the juror’s comment, in an interview with ABC’s “Good Morning America,” has been the subject of much conversation at the conference, Ms. Fulton did not address it in her remarks Friday. (On Thursday night, Ms. Fulton issued a statement saying it had been “devastating for my family” to hear what “we already knew in our hearts to be true.”)

On Friday, she spoke passionately, and deeply personally, about the faith that she said has carried her through since February 2012, when Mr. Zimmerman killed her son, then 17, as he was walking home after buying snacks at a convenience store.

“I speak to you as Trayvon’s mother,” she said. “I speak to you as a parent, and the absolutely worst telephone call you can receive as a parent is to know that your son — your son — you will never kiss again. I’m just asking you to wrap your mind around that, wrap your mind around: No prom for Trayvon. No high school graduation for Trayvon. No college for Trayvon. No grandkids coming from Trayvon, all because of a law, a law that has prevented the person who shot and killed my son to be held accountable and to pay for his awful crime.”

In the weeks since Mr. Zimmerman was acquitted, Ms. Fulton and Trayvon's father, Tracy Martin, have become increasingly high profile, drawing praise from President Obama for handling a difficult situation with grace. Amid protests over the verdict, they have spoken out on national television; Ms. Fulton addressed a vigil in Manhattan on Saturday. Mr. Martin addressed the Congressional Black Caucus in Washington on Wednesday.

Together, they are pressing the federal government to consider federal civil rights charges against Mr. Zimmerman, and they are waging a campaign to amend expanded self-defense statutes like the one in Florida, known as Stand Your Ground laws, that extend beyond the home the right to use force in a dangerous situation and in some states offer immunity from civil liability. They are also seeking support for the nonprofit group they established in their son’s name.

About 6,000 people are here for the Urban League meeting, which comes against the backdrop of plans to commemorate the 50th anniversary of the 1963 March on Washington for Jobs and Freedom, in which the Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. delivered his now-famous “I Have a Dream Speech,” at the end of next month. Earlier Friday, the audience heard from civil rights leaders including the Rev. Al Sharpton, the Rev. Jesse Jackson and Representative John Lewis, the Georgia Democrat, as well as the Martin family lawyer, Benjamin Crump.

The August anniversary celebration has taken on a new sense of urgency, many here said, in light of the Martin case and also the Supreme Court’s recent decision to overturn a key section of the Voting Rights Act of 1965. Marc Morial, the former New Orleans mayor and president of the National Urban League, urged attendees on Friday to return to Washington next month.

“Everything has a different sense because of what’s happened in the last 30 days,” Mr. Morial said in an interview, adding that the anniversary celebration has turned “from being distinctly commemorative to being distinctly about continuation.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/27/us/slain-teenagers-mother-says-use-my-tragedy-to-fight-stand-your-ground.html?hpw&_r=0
BillRM
 
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Fri 26 Jul, 2013 03:30 pm
@parados,
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I see. So now that your original facts were wrong


Wrong how is it wrong both Jackson and Sharpton been in the public eye for generations and neither had been known to be greatly concern over the very high death rates of black young men.

You claimed that this is going to change and Jackson is moving to Chicago to address this problem and if so better late by many decades then never showing up and I wish him luck.

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ou to be a racist cracker?


Did not Zimmerman state that the racist cracker remark was one of the last comments Trayvon issue as he started his attacked on him?

Next as far as Sharpton blood on his hands you can get the story of him whipping up a New York black community to go into a must smaller Jewish community and killed Jews back at the very start of his frame at the below site.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Sharpton#Crown_Heights_Riot

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During the Crown Heights Riot, Sharpton (who arranged a rally in Crown Heights after Cato's death[32]) has been seen by some commentators as inflaming tensions by making remarks that included "If the Jews want to get it on, tell them to pin their yarmulkes back and come over to my house".[62]


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Freddie's Fashion Mart
In 1995 a black Pentecostal Church, the United House of Prayer, which owned a retail property on 125th Street, asked Fred Harari, a Jewish tenant who operated Freddie's Fashion Mart, to evict his longtime subtenant, a black-owned record store called The Record Shack. Sharpton led a protest in Harlem against the planned eviction of The Record Shack.[37][38][39] Sharpton told the protesters, "We will not stand by and allow them to move this brother so that some white interloper can expand his business."[40]

On December 8, 1995 Roland J. Smith Jr., one of the protesters, entered Harari's store with a gun and flammable liquid, shot several customers and set the store on fire. The gunman fatally shot himself, and seven store employees died of smoke inhalation.[41][42] Fire Department officials discovered that the store's sprinkler had been shut down, in violation of the local fire code.[43] Sharpton claimed that the perpetrator was an open critic of himself and his nonviolent tactics. Sharpton later expressed regret for making the racial remark, "white interloper," and denied responsibility for inflaming or provoking the violence.[15][44]

Amadou Diallo




gungasnake
 
  2  
Fri 26 Jul, 2013 03:30 pm
@parados,
If Sharpton has said the first word about the 9000 blacks being killed by other blacks every year, it never makes the news.

Basically if you remove the stats for blacks and illegals, then every sort of US crime rate compares favorably with those of any European nation.
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Baldimo
 
  2  
Fri 26 Jul, 2013 03:32 pm
@firefly,
She should be using her tragedy to tell teenagers not to swing on people they don't know.
cicerone imposter
 
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Fri 26 Jul, 2013 03:34 pm
@firefly,
I hope it's the beginning of the end of stupid laws like SYG in Florida, and voter repression.

Our government including the Supreme Court have forgotten their allegiance to this country and the Constitution.

The NSA, the overturning of voter rights laws, legislating to take away women's freedoms and equal pay, and the House Republican bigots who won't approve immigration reform is turning this country into a has been.

We can blame ourselves for these problems; we continue to vote in Tea Partiers and Republicans whose hell bent to make Obama a failure while destroying this country.

The Zimmerman trial is only a symptom of the problems our country faces.
BillRM
 
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Fri 26 Jul, 2013 03:42 pm
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http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/articles/outragedagainsharptonrecord.html

Sharpton’s Kean College speech also featured him explaining that America’s founders consisted of “the worst criminals, the rejects they sent from Europe and sent them to the colonies.”[3] “So [if] some cracker,” he continued, “come and tell you ‘Well my mother and father blood go back to the Mayflower,’ you better hold you pocket. That ain’t nothing to be proud of, that means their forefathers was crooks.”[4]

For people squeamish enough to recoil at Sharpton’s use of the term “cracker,” he had a ready explanation: “Cracker,” Sharpton informed us, is merely a “colloquial term used to describe a certain kind of bigot, who hates both blacks and Jews. It’s certainly not a racist term and certainly not an anti-Semitic term, because a cracker hates Jews and blacks.”[5] Get it?

Recall, further, Sharpton’s rhetoric during the deadly 1991 anti-Semitic riots in Brooklyn’s Crown Heights section, which erupted after a seven-year-old black child named Gavin Cato had been accidentally killed by a car driven by a Hasidic Jew. At Cato’s funeral, Sharpton criticized the Jewish community and thereafter organized a series of massive, angry demonstrations which ultimately devolved into destructive bedlam. Sharpton and his supporters, of course, said that the good Reverend could not be held responsible for any of this; after all, they explained, Sharpton hadn’t made any explicit calls for violence.

But Efraim Lipkind, a former Hasidic resident of Crown Heights who had witnessed the riots of 1991, stated the following in a July 1994 sworn deposition: “Then we had a famous man, Al Sharpton, who came down, and he said Tuesday night, kill the Jews, two times. I heard him, and he started to lead a charge across the street to Utica.”[6]

Sharpton emphatically denied having said or done this. Perhaps he didn’t. Perhaps Mr. Lipkind was incorrect. We do know with certainty, however, that Sharpton characterized Gavin Cato’s death as being not merely the result of a car accident, but rather “the social accident of apartheid.”[7] And we do know that Sharpton challenged local Jews—to whom he derisively referred as “diamond merchants”—to “pin their yarmulkes back and come over to my house” to settle the score.[8] And we do know that, stirred in part by such rhetoric and false accusations, hundreds of Crown Heights blacks took violently to the streets for three days and nights of rioting, pelting Jewish homes with rocks, setting vehicles on fire, and shouting “Jew! Jew!”[9] And we do know that Sharpton’s pathetic response to the rioting was: “We must not reprimand our children for outrage, when it is the outrage that was put in them by an oppressive system.”[10] And we do know that Sharpton, while in Israel searching for the driver who had run over Gavin Cato, likened the Jewish state to “hell.”[11] But none of this, we are presumably to believe, rises to the “chimp” cartoon’s level of insensitivity.

Then in 1995, Sharpton and his National Action Network led an ugly, racist boycott against Freddy’s Fashion Mart, a Jewish-owned shop in Harlem, New York. The boycott started when Freddy’s owner, a Sephardic Jew named Fred Harari, announced that because he wanted to expand his own business, he would no longer sublet part of his building to the black-owned “Record Shack” run by a man named Sikhulu Shange. In response, an angry Shange threatened Harari, stopped paying rent, hired a bevy of picketers, and commenced a protracted boycott of Freddy’s. The street leader of the boycott, Morris Powell, was the head of Sharpton’s “Buy Black” Committee.

The boycott was marked by innumerable expressions of racial hatred that somehow failed to offend Sharpton’s ostensibly sensitive heart. For example, one male boycotter, identifying himself as “Shabazz,” screamed: “Don’t shop at Freddy’s. Don’t give the [expletive] Jew bastard one dime, he doesn’t have no respect for black women.” When Freddy’s manager, Steve Brodsky, asked Shabazz why he was using such language in an obviously tense environment, the latter replied: “Go [expletive] yourself white boy, you fat bastard.”[12] On another occasion, Shabazz forced his way into the store and shouted, “I will be back to burn the Jew store down, burn, burn, burn.”[13]

Shabazz and his fellow demonstrators took their rhetorical cue from the aforementioned Morris Powell. Pledging to ensure “that this cracker [Harari] suffers,” Powell told New York’s WWRL Radio audience that “these people” (i.e., Jews) “just sponge and parasite [sic] all for the dollar.”[14] Among Powell’s more infamous quotes was this: “Keep [going] right on by Freddy’s, he’s one of the greedy Jew Bastards killing our people. Don’t give the Jew a dime. [Expletive] the Jews.”[15]

“These phrases,” Steve Brodsky testified to the New York Supreme Court, “were then repeated in almost chant-like fashion over the next few days by the other demonstrators.”[16] Making frequent reference to “bloodsucking Jews” and “white crackers,” the boycotters threatened to “loot and burn the Jews.”[17]

Kareem Brunner, a black security guard employed by Freddy’s, also testified before the state Supreme Court, reporting that he personally had heard the boycotters say such things as: “Kill the crackers”; “Get the Jew bastards”; and “This block is for blacks only, get the Jew owners out.”[18] Brunner elaborated:

“The protestors were threatening to kill all white people, calling them ‘crackers’ and [saying] that they were going to get ‘20 more niggers to loot and set fire to the merchandise both inside and outside the store’ … Whenever the police left, the protestors continued to ignore the wooden ‘horses’ the police had erected in front of the store, threatening customers up close and personal. I took these threats as directed against me personally also. I was told by them many times that I was a ‘cracker lover’ and ‘would get mine as a traitor’ [to the black race]…. Customers who came to the store, especially black customers, were likewise told that they ‘would get theirs’ for being ‘cracker lovers’ or ‘traitors.’ … On [one videotape of the boycott] you can clearly see one of the protestors gesturing as if he was striking a match and throwing it at the store. I have seen that same protestor do similar acts myself, but scream ‘burn Cracker burn’ when doing it….”[19]

Yet remarkably, none of these comments offended the oh-so-sensitive Al Sharpton. In fact, all of this occurred under his watchful, approving eye. Pledging that “[w]e will not stand by and allow them to move this brother [Mr. Shange] so some white interloper can expand his business on 125th Street,”[20] Sharpton exhorted local blacks to join “the struggle brother Powell and I are engaged in.”[21] Just for the record, we should keep in mind that the so-called “white interloper” was the owner of the building.

Powell’s own words gave further evidence of the close alliance that existed between him and Sharpton, and confirmed the fact that Sharpton was a central, not a peripheral, figure in the boycott. Likening Sharpton’s “position to the crucifixion of Jesus Christ,” Powell told radio audiences at various times: “Brother Sharpton is on it. We have made contact with these crackers” (i.e., Freddy’s); “We just hope the community stands by [Sharpton]”; and “I don’t know what would have happened if we didn’t have Al Sharpton there.”[22]

Over time the picketing became increasingly violent in tone, until one of the protesters, a 51-year-old ex-con named Roland Smith, eventually shot four whites inside the store and then set the building on fire—killing seven employees. One of the dead was the aforementioned Kareem Brunner.

Remember the foregoing quotes and facts the next time you see Al Sharpton standing before a news camera, blabbering his inevitable “outrage” over one thing or another. Remember who he is and what he has countenanced. And keep in mind that his chief accomplishment in life has been to demonstrate how even a racist, cartoonish imbecile can gain notoriety if he is simply unafraid to verbalize, unfiltered, every paranoid delusion and hateful thought that comes to his mind.


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BillRM
 
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Fri 26 Jul, 2013 03:46 pm
@Baldimo,
Quote:
She should be using her tragedy to tell teenagers not to swing on people they don't know.


Hell as far as Trayvon knew Zimmerman could had been a plain cloth cop.
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firefly
 
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Fri 26 Jul, 2013 03:49 pm
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March on Washington – August 24th, 8AM at Lincoln Memorial

Dear Members, Supporters, and Partners:

On Saturday, August 24, 2013 we will gather at 8AM at the Lincoln Memorial in Washington, DC to stand together against the recent attack on voter rights, against Stand Your Ground and racial profiling, and to continue to raise awareness on unemployment, poverty, gun violence, immigration, gay rights and other critical issues affecting our nation. 50 years ago when we marched on Washington it was an historic event that lead to the passage of the very civil rights legislation that ended Jim Crow and began the modern era of civil rights. It brought us our dignity, our humanity and our march to realize the dream that so many had given their lives for.

50 years later we need you as much as we did in 1963. Today, the first African American President in the history of our nation sits in the White House. That would not have been possible without the 1965 Voting Rights Act. The Supreme Court in the final days of its term this year has struck down Section 4 of the Voting Rights Act and thereby have place our right to vote in jeopardy. We must turn out by the hundreds of thousands in Washington DC on August 24th and we need your financial commitment to ensure our success.

This past weekend we held vigils in 100 cities across the nation for Trayvon Martin. These vigils were a huge success because of all of you. Now, it is critical that we harness this heightened awareness of our collective strength to sustain a movement.

Your support will help us to cover increased costs to make August 24th a huge success. Support the March by making a donation to the National Action Network. Your support will ensure that our voices are heard as we continue to realize the dream of Dr. Martin L. King, Jr.

Your donation can be made online or by mailing a check or money order to:

National Action Network
106 West 145th Street
New York, NY 10039

No Justice. No Peace!
http://nationalactionnetwork.net/
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BillRM
 
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Fri 26 Jul, 2013 03:51 pm
@cicerone imposter,
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hope it's the beginning of the end of stupid laws like SYG in Florida, and voter repression.


Sure we need more black men in prison this time for defending themselves from attacks in the state of Florida as once more the SYG law had so far been far more useful to black men then white men.
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firefly
 
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Fri 26 Jul, 2013 04:05 pm
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Trayvon Martin Juror B29 says ‘George Zimmerman got away with murder’: Comment 'devastates' slain teen’s mother
By David Knowles AND Daniel Beekman
NEW YORK DAILY NEWS
July 25, 2013

The only minority on the all-female jury in the Trayvon Martin case says George Zimmerman “got away with murder” when he fatally shot the black 17-year-old — the announcement "devastated" Martin’s mother.

“For myself, he’s guilty because the evidence shows he’s guilty," the juror said...

“George Zimmerman got away with murder,” the panelist said. “But you can’t get away from God. And at the end of the day, [Zimmerman is] going to have a lot of questions and answers he has to deal with.”...

One person she let down was Martin’s mother Sybrina Fulton.

"It is devastating for my family to hear the comments from juror B29, comments which we already knew in our hearts to be true," Fulton said in a statement. "That George Zimmerman literally got away with murder.”

For Fulton, the statement reaffirms her belief that justice was not served and something must be done to prevent future tragedies.

“This new information challenges our nation once again to do everything we can to make sure that this never happens to another child,” Fulton said. "That's why Tracy [Martin] and I have launched The Trayvon Martin Foundation to try and take something very painful and negative and turn it into something positive as a legacy to our son.”

Her words echoed the anguish vented across the country after the July 13 verdict sparked an emotional debate on race and Florida’s “Stand Your Ground” self-defense law that saw President Barack Obama chime in.

Maddy said that when the jury, which included five mothers, began deliberations, she was ready to convict Zimmerman of second-degree murder, which could have put him behind bars for life. “I was the juror that was going to give them the hung jury,” she insisted. “I fought to the end.”

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/juror-b29-george-zimmerman-murder-article-1.1408913#ixzz2aBuTzqQi
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parados
 
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Fri 26 Jul, 2013 04:16 pm
@BillRM,
Quote:

Wrong how is it wrong both Jackson and Sharpton been in the public eye for generations and neither had been known to be greatly concern over the very high death rates of black young men.

Oh, now your ignorance translates to facts about what has been in the public eye?

Quote:
You claimed that this is going to change and Jackson is moving to Chicago to address this problem a
No, I didn't claim that. It seems to explain why you don't know what is going on with Sharpton and Jackson since you continue to just make up your own facts.
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BillRM
 
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Fri 26 Jul, 2013 04:23 pm
@cicerone imposter,
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The Zimmerman trial is only a symptom of the problems our country faces.


We agree on the trial just being a symptom but in my opinion a symptom of a civil right movement that focus on nonsense where it is possible to work people up with little effort not on the real problems.

Where is the damn rallies and sits in over one in three adult black men not being able to vote?

Where is the rallies and protests over a so call justice system that result in such a high percents of black men being behind bars and after being released having their possible futures limited by felony convictions?

Where is the rallies over the public school system being short change when we always can find the funds to build more prisons?

Once more I love the idea of repealing the SYG law so even more black men can end up in jail cells.
firefly
 
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Fri 26 Jul, 2013 04:27 pm
http://thecomicnews.com/images/edtoons/2013/0717/zimmerman/01.jpg
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firefly
 
  -1  
Fri 26 Jul, 2013 04:31 pm
@BillRM,
http://rackjite.com/wp-content/uploads/r61613zimm.jpg
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ossobuco
 
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Fri 26 Jul, 2013 04:32 pm
Well, I tune in, 135 pages in and can't make sense of the jabber. (Take that, swat!, multiplied.)

People would summarize differently, in any case.

I rather naturally agree with firefly, but I'm put off by all of her insistent, even incessant, insults. Argument pumps.
I don't take billrm's language confusion as something to make fun of. He tries and has smarts. Brains vary when typed.
I happen to rarely agree with him.

I'm not always in disagreement with those I mostly disagree with - sometimes I get them.
firefly
 
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Fri 26 Jul, 2013 04:37 pm
http://media.cagle.com/16/2013/07/25/135148_600.jpg
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mysteryman
 
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Fri 26 Jul, 2013 04:41 pm
When it comes to Al Sharpton, the first thing that comes to mind for me is Tawana Brawley.
He egged that on, he led the racial accusations, and he was found guilty and ordered to pay restitution.
He hasn't paid, and continues to say he did nothing wrong.

Yet there are still people on here that defend him, I don't understand that.
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mysteryman
 
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Fri 26 Jul, 2013 04:50 pm
@cicerone imposter,
I disagree with you concerning SYG laws.
I should not be forced to retreat from a threat to myself or my family.
If I, or you, are being threatened, we have every right to defend ourselves, right where we stand.

I do agree that the law needs to be tweaked and clarified, but to abolish it would put more people at risk.
cicerone imposter
 
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Fri 26 Jul, 2013 04:55 pm
@mysteryman,
It's not about "threats to your family." It's about anyone who has a gun who is the pursuer of an innocent individual for crimes not committed.

There is no way to prove "I was afraid for my life."
 

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