The State of Florida vs George Zimmerman: The Trial

@BillRM,

Well it is silly and really only impresses people of like mind. The DOJ has been conducting the investigation against Zimmerman since before the trial, they not only got Zimmerman's gun (sounds like an old west movie) but all the evidence in the trial. Zimmerman will eventually get his gun back so the whole issue is overblown.

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@revelette,

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For whatever reason, he was found not guilty so he does have the right to a gun if wants to.

He might still have the right to carry a gun, but I'd question the wisdom of actively encouraging him to do so, all things considered.

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@revelette,

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Zimmerman will eventually get his gun back so the whole issue is overblown.

In so must as legal experts in and outside of the justice department had publicly stated that there are no grounds or likelihood for a civil right case against Zimmerman there is no good faith reason to withhold his gun from him.

You do not have a moral right to used the power of the justice department for political reasons.

An that what people are reacting to and misusing the power of the Federal government is a big deal even if it only involved one handgun.

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@revelette,

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would not sign a petition to keep him from buying guns.

My god Firefly had gone around the bend to such a degree that she think that a petition to keep one citizen from owning a gun would have any meaning!!!!!!!!

She support using the laws to target one person?

A law that stated that Zimmerman can not own a firearm perhaps?

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@BillRM,

If the DOJ only took Zimmerman's gun, then you would have a point. However, as you very well know, that is not the case. They took all the evidence in the case to look at in their open investigation. Merely because experts have said the case does not look likely does not mean they are only perusing the case for political reasons.

The department says it's reviewing evidence to determine whether criminal civil rights charges are warranted, but legal experts see major barriers

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@revelette,

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hey took all the evidence in the case to look at in their open investigation. Merely because experts have said the case does not look likely does not mean they are only perusing the case for political reasons.

Nonsense they do not care about the clothing or whatever it not returning the gun was the point and there is no good faith investigation ongoing as we both know.

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@revelette,

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However, I just don't understand why this group in OH felt the need to send a$12,150.37 check to Zimmerman to buy a gun when he already has one. How many guns do they think he needs to buy with that kind of money?

Assuming the DOJ returns the pistol and doesn't send it to Mexico, then George Zimmerman already has a firearm to shoot more burglars with. What he needs now is some sort of a really nice sort of a gentleman's skeet/sporting-clays gun.

Here's one for right around $12000:

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=356391389

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@gungasnake,

The most critical measurement for a shotgun is drop-to-comb. You have to be able to rest your cheek on the stock of a shotgun an sight straight over the top barrel, and the good ones have adjustible combs, that's what the cutout on the stock is about.

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Another consideration, any sort of a burglar or would be murderer (like Trayvon Martin) who Zimmerman were to shoot with something like that, wouldn't have to feel like trash or like he'd been shot with some sort of a cheap Saturday Night Special and become just another ghetto statistic; he could tell all his friends he'd been shot with a really high-class firearm, almost like a gentleman's duel or some such. He wouldn't have that "cheap" feeling...

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@firefly,

Our justice system is not a perfect system that protects society. Look at all the criminals who are released from jail/prison who then go out and commit more crimes.

The emphasis on Zimmerman is not called for; it's the whole system that needs revamping.

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This would be more like a $35,000 shotgun:

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=349766050

http://pics.gunbroker.com/GB/349766000/349766050/pix981459180.jpg

http://pics.gunbroker.com/GB/349766000/349766050/pix557271582.jpg

I believe the barrels are machined out of a single block of steel rather than being made separately and joined.

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@cicerone imposter,

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it's the whole system that needs revamping.

We agree on something as the black community does not have a problem of white racists gunning down poor blacks children and getting away with doing so, it does have the problem of black young men killings other young black men and far too many of the ones who are not killed end up behind bars for one reason or another in far far far greater numbers then any other group.

The criminal justice does indeed need to be revamp along with spending far more resources on programs to aid young black men instead of locking them up.

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@BillRM,

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the black community does not have a problem of white racists gunning down poor blacks children and getting away with doing so...

I suggest you familiarize yourself with some of the racial ugliness that's part of our country's history, and that black people still remember all too well.

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it does have the problem of black young men killings other young black men...

But Trayvon Martin was not killed by another black man in some inner city...

He was killed in a middle class gated community, by a man who racially profiled him, as he simply walked home from the store. And the homeowners association of that community has already paid Martin's parents a $1 million+ settlement because Trayvon wasn't safe in that private gated community that night--safe from George Zimmerman.

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and far too many of the ones who are not killed end up behind bars for one reason or another

Well, Trayvon Martin's brother is a senior in college, and currently is interning in the office of a member of Congress, and Trayvon was planning on going to college, just like his brother and their mother...if George Zimmerman hadn't killed him.

Any more negative racial stereotyping, and victim blaming, BillRM?

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@firefly,

The mind-set of the BillRM's are clear; racial bigots who don't have any understanding of America; it's current events or history.

Racial bigotry in the US is here to stay.

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@cicerone imposter,

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The mind-set of the BillRM's are clear; racial bigots who don't have any understanding of America; it's current events or history.

Racial bigot will I am as must of a racial bigot as Zimmerman had been shown to be IE not at all but it is a great label to throw around is it not?

In the meantime people like you and Firefly and on the nation stage Al Sharpton does your damn best not to address the real problems and the causes of them in the black community instead making up fantasies of evil white and with Zimmerman even mixed race killers roaming the land looking for excuses to kill poor innocent black children.

Note it is not those who shared my opinion on the shooting that is generating a mountain of death threats over the verdict and strangely I hear no outrage or demands that those who send such threats be track down and punish for doing so.

Nor do I hear that Holder or anyone else in the Federal government or the local government is concern about all those threats.

Guess they might do something if someone is killed by these assholes such as one of the jury members but I am not even sure if a killing would resulted in actions.

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@cicerone imposter,

In fact CI just think how great it would be for you and people like you if a juror or a family member of the jury member would be killed as afterward no one charge with a killing base on race would ever be found not guilty no matter what the evidence would show.

No wonder I am hearing no outrage over all those death threats or the government doing anything about them.

We will teach anyone on such a jury in the future to vote guilty.

Footnote when OJ was found not guilty I do not remember hearing of massive death threats over the verdict how strange is that CI?

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Worst possible case, for the sake of argument, suppose all of the FBI agents who interviewed everybody who'd ever had contact with Zimmerman are totally wrong and I am wrong, and that George Zimmerman actually is a blood-thirsty racist murderer.

In that case, then the score (of dead black people) for 2012 would be something like blood-thirsty racist non-black murderers one, other blacks 8999. Or something very close to that.

The question would then become, why are Sharpton, Jackson, Holder, and Obunga making the biggest possible deal out of the one case and ignoring the other 8999?

Suppose for instance that in some medieval kingdom some large number of people were dead or dying from the plague and one person had been struck by lightning, and the king and the king's chief wizard and all of his ministers were spending a great deal of time denouncing lightning and devising laws to prevent lightning strikes while ignoring the plague... Would that be anybody's model of the good king??

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@gungasnake,

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The question would then become, why are Sharpton, Jackson, Holder, and Obunga making the biggest possible deal out of the one case and ignoring the other 8999?

I had try myself to used similar logic on them and it been water off a duck back.

They wish to live in a fantasy world where the problems that our black population are facing is mainly cause by evil white racists instead of a complex web of causes.

So one killing that they can or hope to pound somehow into a "white" racist killing a black "child" in priceless to them in supporting those fantasies.

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@BillRM,

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I had try myself to used similar logic on them and it been water off a duck back.

And it was shown that your argument was bogus when you made it then.

Sharpton and Jackson are concerned about black on black murder. You just want to pretend they aren't because it fits your narrative. So when evidence is shown to you that Jackson has organized numerous marches and Sharpton is moving to Chicago in response to black on black crime you simply pretend that isn't happening so you can continue with what is clearly YOUR fantasy world.

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@parados,

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Sharpton and Jackson are concerned about black on black murder

Maybe Jackson is a little bit concern over the massive deaths of young black males however Sharpton is only concern about Sharpton and have the blood of blacks and whites and Jews on his hands in promoting riots that had taken the lives of innocents over the decades.

He had been sue and lost over libeling innocents men for white on blacks rapes that never happen and had play that game time after time.

I would be far far more impress if the sit in at the state capital was not over self defense laws that in fact benefits blacks more then whites but over not returning the voting rights of one third of black males after felony convictions in a timely manner.in the state of Florida.

Or spending far more funds on public education then the prison system and so on.

I hope that Jackson move to Chicago is helpful in dealing with the many thousands of deaths of young black men every year but if he is serous I can not see him wasting his time and affect on a self defense case by a mixed race Latin man that have zero proven elements of race involvement and where a jury had spoken.

Oh, it would be nice as a man of peace/god if he would speak out against the deaths threats that are being issues daily against everyone connected with the case including the six women on the jury and their families.

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