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The State of Florida vs George Zimmerman: The Trial

 
 
izzythepush
 
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Thu 25 Jul, 2013 12:41 pm
@Baldimo,
You've been reading the Daily Mail again. That's a load of old bollocks, only right wing American nutters believe that.

Do you believe Facebook gives you cancer too?

BillRM
 
  0  
Thu 25 Jul, 2013 12:44 pm
@Baldimo,
Quote:
What's the violent crime rate in the UK firefly? Would you be surprised to know it is almost double that of the US violent crime rate?


Do not confused the lady simple but PC correct world view.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Thu 25 Jul, 2013 12:54 pm
@Baldimo,
Baldimo wrote:

What's the violent crime rate in the UK firefly? Would you be surprised to know it is almost double that of the US violent crime rate?
You certainly know the different definations of "violent crime" in the USA and in the UK, don't you?

The FBI’s Uniform Crime Reports defines a ‘violent crime’ as one of four specific offenses: murder and non-negligent manslaughter, forcible rape, robbery, and aggravated assault." By contrast, "the British definition includes all ‘crimes against the person,’ including simple assaults, all robberies, and all ‘sexual offenses,’ as opposed to the FBI, which only counts aggravated assaults and ‘forcible rapes.’
firefly
 
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Thu 25 Jul, 2013 12:59 pm
@izzythepush,
Quote:
Britain doesn’t just have fewer gun-related homicides–it has a dramatically lower murder rate all around. In 2010, the US had an average murder rate of 4.8 murders per 100,000 people–4 times higher than the UK’s rate of 1.2 per 100,000...

http://blog.skepticallibertarian.com/2013/01/12/fact-checking-ben-swann-is-the-uk-really-5-times-more-violent-than-the-us/
Walter Hinteler
 
  1  
Thu 25 Jul, 2013 01:01 pm
@firefly,
What ever definitions you use ...
Quote:
According to the Sydney-based Institute for Economics and Peace, the U.K. had 933 violent crimes per 100,000 people in 2012, down from 1,255 in 2003. In the U.S., the figure for 2010 was 399 violent crimes per 100,000 people. Still, while the U.S. violent-crime rate is less than half Britain’s, its homicide rate between 2003 and 2011 was almost four times as high.
Source
Baldimo
 
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Thu 25 Jul, 2013 01:02 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
I sure do know the difference. I'm not going off of the 2000 # that has been used across the internet. I'm using a # off of this website which did a comparison between the 2 different types of crimes.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2013/jun/24/blog-posting/social-media-post-says-uk-has-far-higher-violent-c/

Quote:
For England and Wales, we added together three crime categories: "violence against the person, with injury," "most serious sexual crime," and "robbery." This produced a rate of 775 violent crimes per 100,000 people.

For the United States, we used the FBI’s four standard categories for violent crime that Bier cited. We came up with a rate of 383 violent crimes per 100,000 people.

This calculation suggests that there is a higher rate of crime in England and Wales, but the discrepancy is not anywhere near as wide as the one cited in the meme.
Walter Hinteler
 
  1  
Thu 25 Jul, 2013 01:11 pm
@Baldimo,
Good that you remember the courses at law school!

And since you quoted from that report, you'll certainly have read the complete article ... and noticed, what is missing there: robbery is not included in the police violence data, but in the official statistics; similar with most hate crime offences (and what's happening just now in NI, are all 'violent crimes' and will boost up the statistics significantly) ....
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timur
 
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Thu 25 Jul, 2013 01:22 pm
@Baldimo,
You kidding, right?

http://img33.imageshack.us/img33/2442/ib90.jpg

Source
BillRM
 
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Thu 25 Jul, 2013 01:24 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Quote:
till, while the U.S. violent-crime rate is less than half Britain’s, its homicide rate between 2003 and 2011 was almost four times as high.


However if you factor out the amazing number of young black men killing other young black men the homicide rate for all our 300 millions guns are roughly the same as the UK.

It piss me off this crying about racist armed gun nuts killing poor innocent black children which is nonsense in the general case and in the Zimmerman case and that by not addressing the real problems we are still allowing generation after generation of our black males to either end up in a jail cell or dead in far too great numbers.

Hell just by ending the war on drug and drying up the billions funding inner city drug gangs we could move the homicide rate of blacks nearer to the rest of the population.

Other steps such as spending more funds on schools then prisons would also help big time.

One thing that will not help is more anti gun laws.


Walter Hinteler
 
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Thu 25 Jul, 2013 01:28 pm
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:
However if you factor out the amazing number of young black men killing other young black men the homicide rate for all our 300 millions guns are roughly the same as the UK.
Indeed. And if you exclude Chicago but focus more on Taos Pueblo, leaving out there the alcohol-related violence and consider the religious background ...

Seriously, where did they teach you criminology?
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Baldimo
 
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Thu 25 Jul, 2013 01:31 pm
@timur,
Violent crime Timur not murder rate. It is all in the word usage.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Thu 25 Jul, 2013 01:44 pm
@Baldimo,
Baldimo wrote:
It is all in the word usage.


See, that makes the difference: while you use the word usage, others use the (legal) definition.
spendius
 
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Thu 25 Jul, 2013 01:46 pm
@firefly,
Quote:
Strangely, some owners think the firepower makes them more manly.


It does ff. I felt it at 18. I've seen it do so in many men since.

If someone was a good shot in the military they were awarded a "Marksman" insignia. It was of two crossed rifles. Those who qualified were not slow to show it around.

The thing is, once you have been through it, manliness doesn't seem such a good idea. We can only assume that the manly men on here haven't been through it.

Three months in Syria with the FSA, the freedom bunch, (oh yeah), would soon cure them of bloody manliness. Apisa is into manliness. At nearly 80. That's a slow learner eh what?

I had performed a sufficient number of manly actions by the time I was 21 to discover that I had had my ration. I even avoid river banks now in case a damsel in distress floats by waving her arms desperately.

That's how I know Zimmerman was out looking for action. With an unarmed prey for preference.
spendius
 
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Thu 25 Jul, 2013 01:52 pm
@BillRM,
Quote:
One thing that will not help is more anti gun laws.


It definitely would if they were backed by inhumane public punishments.
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Frank Apisa
 
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Thu 25 Jul, 2013 01:57 pm
@spendius,
spendius wrote:

Quote:
Strangely, some owners think the firepower makes them more manly.


It does ff. I felt it at 18. I've seen it do so in many men since.

If someone was a good shot in the military they were awarded a "Marksman" insignia. It was of two crossed rifles. Those who qualified were not slow to show it around.

The thing is, once you have been through it, manliness doesn't seem such a good idea. We can only assume that the manly men on here haven't been through it.

Three months in Syria with the FSA, the freedom bunch, (oh yeah), would soon cure them of bloody manliness. Apisa is into manliness. At nearly 80. That's a slow learner eh what?

I had performed a sufficient number of manly actions by the time I was 21 to discover that I had had my ration. I even avoid river banks now in case a damsel in distress floats by waving her arms desperately.

That's how I know Zimmerman was out looking for action. With an unarmed prey for preference.


Delighted when someone is so obsessed with me that they mention me where it is neither necessary nor appropriate.

I guess you are trying to thank me (in your way) for attempting to help you overcome your fear of females and sex.

Hey...de nada. You'll get the hang of it!
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timur
 
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Thu 25 Jul, 2013 01:58 pm
@Baldimo,
You didn't check the link I provided, did you?
hawkeye10
 
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Thu 25 Jul, 2013 02:54 pm
juror B29 said today that there was not enough evidence for a trial and that what happened was a "publicity stunt" by the state....good to see that at least one if six noticed what was taking place.
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Thu 25 Jul, 2013 02:55 pm

I 've carried handguns since age 8
for self defense and a feeling of tranquility.
Thay have never been related to sexuality in my mind.

Sex has never been discussed at any gun freedom meeting
that I know of in the last half century. Thay are usually family events
with wives and children in attendance. We discuss defensive freedom
in the law and optimal defensive hardware; sometimes including target shooting.
We discuss the political defeat of authoritarian politicians.

Sex and guns mix only in the imaginations
of those leftists who abhor liberty; harmless foolishness.

Bill Clinton was anti-gun freedom; how did his Monica and Hillary feel about gun freedom ?





David
Frank Apisa
 
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Thu 25 Jul, 2013 03:06 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
OmSigDAVID wrote:


I 've carried handguns since age 8
for self defense and a feeling of tranquility.
Thay have never been related to sexuality in my mind.

Sex has never been discussed at any gun freedom meeting
that I know of in the last half century. Thay are usually family events
with wives and children in attendance. We discuss defensive freedom
in the law and optimal defensive hardware; sometimes including target shooting.
We discuss the political defeat of authoritarian politicians.

Sex and guns mix only in the imaginations
of those leftists who abhor liberty; harmless foolishness.

Bill Clinton was anti-gun freedom; how did his Monica and Hillary feel about gun freedom ?





David


David...do you actually think it is okay to require that we live in a society that will allow 8 year olds to carry guns?

Truly...do you think that is okay?
OmSigDAVID
 
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Thu 25 Jul, 2013 04:00 pm
@Frank Apisa,
OmSigDAVID wrote:


I 've carried handguns since age 8
for self defense and a feeling of tranquility.
Thay have never been related to sexuality in my mind.

Sex has never been discussed at any gun freedom meeting
that I know of in the last half century. Thay are usually family events
with wives and children in attendance. We discuss defensive freedom
in the law and optimal defensive hardware; sometimes including target shooting.
We discuss the political defeat of authoritarian politicians.

Sex and guns mix only in the imaginations
of those leftists who abhor liberty; harmless foolishness.

Bill Clinton was anti-gun freedom; how did his Monica and Hillary feel about gun freedom ?





David
Frank Apisa wrote:
David...do you actually think it is okay to require that we live
in a society that will allow 8 year olds to carry guns?

Truly...do you think that is okay?
Violating their 2nd Amendment rights is raping them out of their rights to live.



Your concept, Frank, is that it is OK
to violate the citizen's most fundmental Constitutional Rights
as long as u disdain his intelligence first, adding insult to injury.

The US Supreme Court has held that
he cannot even be denied a few minutes of inferior seating on a bus,
because of the Constitutional requirements of "equal protection of the laws".
Much less can citizens be raped out of their rights to defend their lives
from the predatory violence of man or beast.

In the 5 years that I lived in Arizona, my nabors were better armed than I was
(both older and younger) and we never had any trouble;
no lights and sirens at all. I respect children 's minds better than u do.





David
 

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