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The State of Florida vs George Zimmerman: The Trial

 
 
timur
 
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Sat 20 Jul, 2013 05:29 am
@BillRM,
If Zimmerman was man enough, he would go bare hands to confront Trayvon Martin, who was unarmed..
BillRM
 
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Sat 20 Jul, 2013 05:35 am
@timur,
Quote:
If Zimmerman was man enough, he would go bare hands to confront Trayvon Martin, who was unarmed..


So we should have a code that if your would be murderer come after you with a knife for example you can only protect yourself with a knife or in the case of Trayvon if he try to used the concrete of a sidewalk to killed you then you must try to reverse positions to be able pound his brains out with the same sidewalk.

Interesting idea of your that you need to be "fair" to a would be murderer but I never seen that in any law of self defense.
timur
 
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Sat 20 Jul, 2013 05:41 am
@BillRM,
Do I need to remind you who is the murderer?

It has nothing to do with self-defense.
BillRM
 
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Sat 20 Jul, 2013 05:47 am
@timur,
Quote:
Do I need to remind you who is the murderer?

It has nothing to do with self-defense.


A jury of six women five of who have children themselves declare Zimmerman innocent of both the murder charges and homicide charges so Zimmerman is not a murderer of any kind.

Yes it have everything to do with the justify taking of a life under the right of self defense.

However please feel free if you ever have some would be killer on top of you pounding the life out of you to allowed him to do so,
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timur
 
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Sat 20 Jul, 2013 05:54 am
BillRM wrote:
A jury of six women five of who have children themselves declare Zimmerman innocent of both the murder charges and homicide charges so Zimmerman is not a murderer of any kind.


You assert that as if it was the ultimate argument!

Pfftt!

Look here the list of innocent people who were first sentenced to death:

The Innocence List

Jury errors (or misleaded) are aplenty..
BillRM
 
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Sat 20 Jul, 2013 05:58 am
@timur,
Sorry but the facts are the facts and you can claims all you wish to that Zimmerman is a murderer in your eyes/opinion however he had his trial and was found not to be a murderer.

As I said in a similar situation feel free to allow someone to killed you as in my eyes/opinion you would be a small lost to the human race.
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Sat 20 Jul, 2013 06:00 am
@firefly,
BillRM wrote:
Oh I guess I am missing something by having Firefly on ignore
but then I guess I am not either by the quotes from her I am reading.
firefly wrote:
Well, what you missed was my pointing out that you've been profiled as a pedophile in the past, when you were booted out of a park for enticing and engaging young children with kittens--a common animal lure used by pedophiles and child abductors--behavior on your part which alarmed other adults in the park who witnessed it, and they took action to get you out of that park.
I wonder if such a thing was lawful,
if it was a public park. Cud thay have thrown him out, if he had AIDS??




firefly wrote:
So, it's ironic that you now support the racial profiling of a black kid as a criminal, when all he was doing
was simply talking on his cell phone as he meandered on his way home from the store--in a place he had
a legitimate right to be.
Well, if he really WAS
casing the place, pre-burglary, as Zimmy suspected, then it was OK. Yes??






firefly wrote:
I don't know, or care, what kind of pictures Martin had on his phone--he was 3 weeks
beyond being 16, he was a kid, he acted like a kid.
Are u being CONSISTENT in regard to your position on child porn, Firefly ?
What does the federal statute say about youthful possession of child porn ?




firefly wrote:
Kids that age like to look at naked females.
I'm sure they all spend a lot of time looking at pictures of naked females.
Do u consider the child porn on Travon 's fone
to be age appropriate ??







firefly wrote:
You find that abnormal? Why do you care what was on his phone?
Well, there have been long discussions on A2K qua the merits
of legal limits on the First Amendment concerning child porn, right?
U advocated the absolute Prohibitionists' position??
Did u change your mind ?





firefly wrote:
He was a kid. And now he's dead.
You seem to get some perverse delight in trashing this kid's character.
The character of the attempted murderer with the child porn on his fone, right ?? Is that the kid??





firefly wrote:
All he did was make a trip to 7/11 with no intention of bothering anyone that night--he bought his snacks and he was going home to watch the basketball game on TV. And, like a lot of kids, he was yakking on the phone with a friend, and dodging the rain, as he meandered home.
Was he casing the area, pre-burglary
during his meandering in the rain??




firefly wrote:
He was a kid.
When someone of any age
is casing pre-burglary, his age shud not be considered.
When someone is beating his victim 's head against the street
that is a fine time to kill him, not to ascertain his age.

Kids have no right to burgle, nor to murder.
U don't seem to care about that. I do.





firefly wrote:
You weren't a kid that day you got booted out of the park for behavior
with young children that other adults thought was inappropriate...you were a grown man...

Zimmerman was also a grown man, with a loaded gun,
If he had been stupid enuf to go around without that gun,
then he 'd have presumably been murdered by Travon.
That wud have saved Sharpton and his boy Obama a lot of concern.






firefly wrote:
who followed a kid in the dark, for no adequate reason, he hadn't witnessed the kid doing anything illegal,
and he had already called the police to report this "suspicious" person.
It was a good idea to keep him under observation;
see what he does.
Your implication that there was some mysterious error in that is of no avail.





firefly wrote:
He wasn't doing what a neighborhood watch should do by following the kid, particularly while carrying a gun, so what the hell was he doing?
In the exercise of personal wisdom, he was carrying a defensive gun ALL THE TIME.
He was going out of his way to suppress burglary,
so that we can keep our stuff.





firefly wrote:
And why didn't it ever cross his mind that his suspicions might be wrong, and that he was frightening
and menacing some innocent kid?
He was not dum enuf to believe that following was menacing.
Zimmy knew that he was well within his rights.
Its GOOD to harass burglars; deny them the privacy thay need.



firefly wrote:
Even after he knew the truth, that he had followed a high school kid who had a perfect right to be in that complex,
and that his screwed up judgment had resulted in that kid's death, this idiot said it was all, "God's plan."
SO WHAT if he did??
(I don't join in that opinion.)



firefly wrote:
I can't imagine that many people really want to see Zimmerman able to carry a gun again...
The limits of your imagination
have NO effect on the Constitutional rights of Zimmy.
I 'm trying to convince him to carry a compact .44 revolver instead of little 9mm.
I 'm thinking of giving him mine, for a present.
Maybe we can go to the gunnery range together.
I can probably replace it for less than $5OO.




firefly wrote:
Although his life's really finished. I can't imagine
when it will be safe for him to ever come out of hiding...
Did u see the lawyer on HLN or on Fox News
who said that Zimmy might become a LEGAL serial killer,
if a lot of vengeful blacks occasionally attack him
and if he kills them in self defense, as he did to Travon.




firefly wrote:
so I don't think the world will ever see much of George Zimmerman again.
His life is over.
Zimmy will have a HAPPY LIFE,
surrounded by 1OOOs of his new friends and putting out his books and movies.
He is destined to get rich, RICHER and RICHEST!





David
BillRM
 
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Sat 20 Jul, 2013 06:18 am
@OmSigDAVID,
Quote:
I wonder if such a thing was lawful,
if it was a public park. Cud thay have thrown him out, if he had AIDS??


LOL we back to my trying to find homes for kittens?

I was told at the time that I needed to leave due to no animals being allowed in that park and there was indeed a sign to that affect.

Of course if I had picked an animal friendly park that excuse could not had been employ.

My love of cats have cause me a great deal of money, at times heart break when I had lost one of them and this time getting kicked out of a park as a possible dirty old man.

Thankfully the last time I needed to find homes for two kittens my vet was able to find placements for them.

Footnote I did not try to killed the park employee by pounding her head on the sidewalk or by any other means.

Nor would I had have a problem talking to the police or ID myself for that matter. I was only 300 yards or so from my home with posters all around the area including the park in question with my name and phone number and picture of the cats in question offering them free to a good home.

More the likely would had try to get one of the officers to take one....lol
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gungasnake
 
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Sat 20 Jul, 2013 06:47 am
@timur,
100 years ago, hell, even fifty years ago, being an idiot was widely viewed as shameful, but you libtards clearly take pride in it. That's the thing normal people have so much trouble understanding.
gungasnake
 
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Sat 20 Jul, 2013 06:48 am
@BillRM,
Quote:
[CHILD PORN on Travon 's cell fone????]


Probably made them strip by threatening to pound their heads into concrete sidewalks....
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gungasnake
 
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Sat 20 Jul, 2013 06:56 am
@timur,
Quote:
Your right to bear arms and use them is so ingrained that you cannot distinguish anymore between self-defense and racist murder.


Yes we can. In this particular case, a racist murder was PREVENTED by an armed citizen killing the would-be murderer with a small caliber pistol.

The "rest of the world(TM)" is the part of the world which needs to come to speed, not the United States.

In India for example, tens of thousands of people are killed every year by poisonous snakes:

http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2011-12-06/india/30481201_1_anti-venom-krait-snake-bites

That simply could not happen in a nation whose people were armed. We Americans rightly view the governments of other nations insisting on keeping their people disarmed, as uncivilized.

BillRM
 
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Sat 20 Jul, 2013 06:56 am
@gungasnake,
I consider myself a Liberal however timur does not seems bright enough to be a liberal.
gungasnake
 
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Sat 20 Jul, 2013 07:04 am
@BillRM,
I am somewhat to the left of most republicans, particularly on social issues. But I view the demoKKKrat party as a criminal enterprise and I vote for whoever has the best mathematical/probabilistic shot at preventing the demoKKKrat from being elected, whatever the office. To me at least that goes beyond issues of left/right and gets into area of good/evil or even tolerable/evil, and sane/insane.

Again the thing which Hitler, Stalin, Genghis Khan, Tamerlane, Attila the Hun, Genseric the Vandal and Ragnar Lothbrok all had in common was that none of them ever shut down a major agricultural region for the sake of a lizard or a fish.
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gungasnake
 
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Sat 20 Jul, 2013 07:07 am
@gungasnake,
Quote:
In this particular case, a racist murder was PREVENTED by an armed citizen killing the would-be murderer with a small caliber pistol.


I should mention again that this would have been Martin's first murder and that all accounts indicate that murder quickly gets easier after the first one.

George Zimmerman saved lives other than his own and it's a near certainty that some of those lives were black.
farmerman
 
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Sat 20 Jul, 2013 07:18 am
@gungasnake,
so, by your logic, Zimmermans next murder should be a piece of cake for the boy, seein as he got away with it all. Are you condoning that Zimmerperson be murdered too?
BillRM
 
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Sat 20 Jul, 2013 07:22 am
@farmerman,
Quote:
so, by your logic, Zimmermans next murder


LOL you can not get it through you head that Zimmerman killed Trayvon but by a jury he did not murder anyone.
izzythepush
 
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Sat 20 Jul, 2013 07:30 am
@BillRM,
Of course he didn't, Trayvon was a black kid, and in your book they don't really matter. Just like killing a horse, that's not murder either.
gungasnake
 
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Sat 20 Jul, 2013 07:34 am
As I noted, Martin's second, third, fourth, fifth, and following murders have been prevented. That's basically good news and we owe that to George Zimmerman.

Note again that, statistically, most if not all of Martin's following murders would have involved blacks, most of THEM innocent since Martin appeared to prefer preying on the weak and helpless, and that I view saving those innocent BLACK lives as a good thing also.

OmSigDAVID
 
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Sat 20 Jul, 2013 09:29 am
@gungasnake,
gungasnake wrote:
As I noted, Martin's second, third, fourth, fifth, and following murders have been prevented. That's basically good news and we owe that to George Zimmerman.

Note again that, statistically, most if not all of Martin's following murders would have involved blacks, most of THEM innocent since Martin appeared to prefer preying on the weak and helpless, and that I view saving those innocent BLACK lives as a good thing also.
Those r good points; thank u.





David
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Sat 20 Jul, 2013 09:34 am
@revelette,
revelette wrote:
Oh enough with the "so stipulated" the trial is over
and we have all been real impressed, but come on...
U can stipulate to whatever u want, Revelette,
regardless of whether u have litigation pending.

Give it a shot.





David
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