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The State of Florida vs George Zimmerman: The Trial

 
 
hawkeye10
 
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Fri 19 Jul, 2013 11:30 pm
Obama’s Inadequacies on Race

Originally published in Official Artur Davis
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Barack Obama’s initial banalities on the George Zimmerman trial—sympathy for the loss Trayvon Martin’s parents suffered, respect for the jury process—felt tepid and his observation today that Trayvon Martin could have been Obama 15 years ago felt cliched. Revealingly, to some of Obama’s fans, the pedestrian response was strategic given that Obama’s ventures into race during his presidency, from the flap over a black Harvard professor being arrested outside his home to his observation last year that an Obama son might have resembled Trayvon, have backfired. In the suggestion of the Washington Post’s Eugene Robinson, given that track record, better the power of his family’s example when they walk across the White House lawn than any risky but more textured contribution to this week’s exposed wounds on race.

Of course, cheerleading about the role model value of a black man in high places has never been a thing that black commentators have embraced for its own sake, at least not when it involves the face of a Republican or even a black Democrat who was insufficiently progressive. And to lower expectations for Obama to the point that saying little is deemed more beneficial than saying much concedes one of the central premises for why a lightly experienced politician five years from a state senate seat was elevated so quickly to the presidency. It is also another instance of a second term where Obama ranges from spectator to occasional sideline critic on the domestic priorities of his own government: on immigration reform and expanded gun background checks, on the renewal of No Child Left Behind, on second tier fights over food stamps and student loans, the formula has been standard partisan ripostes after the fact and an avoidance of any mobilizing strategy that lasts beyond a morning news cycle.

So, in the vacuum Obama leaves, either an Attorney General with a hapless profile who is obscure to most white Americans, or a set of voices who have been punch lines for about a decade, Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton, have been ill-cast as the spokesmen for one view of the Florida verdict—that Martin is not atypical but a specter of myriad ways young black men are devalued—and the very staleness of their advocacy has been easy fodder for critics on the right who are too sanguine about the reality that astonishingly few blacks have confidence in the race neutrality of the legal system.

It is not hard to imagine what Obama might have done this week. He certainly could have lamented the most overlooked aspect of the trial, that Zimmerman and Martin very likely profiled each other, that each saw a threat and affront magnified by the other’s color, and that the ugliness of that kind of mutual recrimination too regularly spills over into every facet of black and white interaction. At the same time, there has been a need this week for the African American community to self-examine the sizable inconsistency between the elevation of a child killed by a white man into a cause célèbre and the national anonymity of, say, Hadiya Pendleton, the black majorette killed by a stray gang bullet a week after performing in Obama’s inaugural parade: couldn’t Obama have made that point more powerfully than, say, a conservative commentator like Rich Lowry, or Zimmerman’s brother on CNN, if the president’s vision of his leadership had only led him to try?

Obama’s admirers say, not illogically, that the black president can’t expend too much capital on race. But it is worth noting that one of the most cherished hopes for an Obama presidency was surely that through his powers of persuasion, ordinary subjects of “race” would be crystallized into a narrative about mutual obligation and community. The blunt truth of Obama’s presidency is that America during his tenure still struggles under the burden of racial assumptions, is poisoned by the most toxic civil discourse since the sixties, and is still a wildly different kind of enterprise for the average black boy or black girl than their white counterparts. One of the bluntest failings of this presidency is how little it has done to break the back of any single one of those stubborn truths.

http://www.officialarturdavis.com/2013/07/obamas-inadequacies-on-race/
Artur Davis is a former four-term Member of the U.S. House of Representatives from Alabama and a current fellow at Harvard’s prestigious Institute of Politics. Despite today’s hyper-partisan environment, Davis has made a career of advocating for the ever-narrowing political middle. Davis has never been afraid to challenge the left or the right – whether questioning liberals on Occupy Wall Street and voter ID laws or conservatives on the influence of big money in politics.

Davis represented the Seventh District of Alabama as a Democrat from 2003 to 2010. He was viewed as a rising star in the House, assuming positions of influence including a seat on the Ways and Means Committee, recruitment chairman of the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee in the 2008 cycle and co-chairman of the New Democrat Coalition. In 2008, Esquire Magazine named him one of the 10 Best Congressmen in America.

In 2010, Davis was defeated in a shocking upset in the Democratic primary in his bid to become the first black elected governor in the Deep South.

Davis is now a columnist and commentator across a wide media spectrum. He’s a contributor to Politico’s Arena, the National Review Online, the blog The Recovering Politician and has appeared as a guest analyst on MSNBC, CNBC and the Fox Business Network.

Davis, a 1990 magna cum laude graduate of Harvard University and a 1993 cum laude graduate of Harvard Law School, is a licensed attorney in Washington, D.C. He previously served as a federal prosecutor with a near 100 percent trial-conviction record and as a partner at the law firm SNR Denton LLP
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this is the best commentary yet on Obama's pissing around....
Miller
 
  2  
Fri 19 Jul, 2013 11:41 pm
@hawkeye10,
Excellent...
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firefly
 
  1  
Sat 20 Jul, 2013 02:07 am
@BillRM,
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Oh I guess I am missing something by having Firefly on ignore but then I guess I am not either by the quotes from her I am reading.

Well, what you missed was my pointing out that you've been profiled as a pedophile in the past, when you were booted out of a park for enticing and engaging young children with kittens--a common animal lure used by pedophiles and child abductors--behavior on your part which alarmed other adults in the park who witnessed it, and they took action to get you out of that park.

So, it's ironic that you now support the racial profiling of a black kid as a criminal, when all he was doing was simply talking on his cell phone as he meandered on his way home from the store--in a place he had a legitimate right to be. Your behavior in that park was a lot more suspect than Martin's that night, but you ranted, in another thread, about how you were unfairly profiled, deprived of your civil rights, etc. At least you didn't wind up getting shot and killed as a consequence of having been profiled.

I don't know, or care, what kind of pictures Martin had on his phone--he was 3 weeks beyond being 16, he was a kid, he acted like a kid. Kids that age like to look at naked females. I'm sure they all spend a lot of time looking at pictures of naked females. You find that abnormal? Why do you care what was on his phone? He was a kid. And now he's dead. You seem to get some perverse delight in trashing this kid's character. All he did was make a trip to 7/11 with no intention of bothering anyone that night--he bought his snacks and he was going home to watch the basketball game on TV. And, like a lot of kids, he was yakking on the phone with a friend, and dodging the rain, as he meandered home. He was a kid.

You weren't a kid that day you got booted out of the park for behavior with young children that other adults thought was inappropriate...you were a grown man...

Zimmerman was also a grown man, with a loaded gun, who followed a kid in the dark, for no adequate reason, he hadn't witnessed the kid doing anything illegal, and he had already called the police to report this "suspicious" person. He wasn't doing what a neighborhood watch should do by following the kid, particularly while carrying a gun, so what the hell was he doing? And why didn't it ever cross his mind that his suspicions might be wrong, and that he was frightening and menacing some innocent kid? Even after he knew the truth, that he had followed a high school kid who had a perfect right to be in that complex, and that his screwed up judgment had resulted in that kid's death, this idiot said it was all, "God's plan."

I can't imagine that many people really want to see Zimmerman able to carry a gun again...

Although his life's really finished. I can't imagine when it will be safe for him to ever come out of hiding...so I don't think the world will ever see much of George Zimmerman again. His life is over.

hawkeye10
 
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Sat 20 Jul, 2013 03:07 am
@firefly,
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Although his life's really finished. I can't imagine when it will be safe for him to ever come out of hiding...so I don't think the world will ever see much of George Zimmerman again. His life is over.

I am thinking more along the lines of a cushy job in a small Montana town provided by a benefactor, and that Zimmerman will never be able to pay for a drink down at the saloon, because he is the town hero.....
timur
 
  1  
Sat 20 Jul, 2013 03:24 am
Hawkeye10 wrote:
because he is the town hero.....


Montanians have to be very special people, to proclaim a hero a man that stalked and murdered an innocent black teen just because he was black..
hawkeye10
 
  4  
Sat 20 Jul, 2013 03:32 am
@timur,
Zimmerman is the victim of state sponsored injustice, but he prevailed. some small pro-freedom town will take him in and protect him from further injustice......"George Zimmerman here in our town? Don't think so mister, somebody gave you bad information".
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Sat 20 Jul, 2013 03:44 am
@timur,
Hawkeye10 wrote:
because he is the town hero.....
timur wrote:
Montanians have to be very special people, to proclaim a hero
a man that stalked and murdered an innocent black teen just because he was black..
There was nothing "innocent" about that attempted murderer. We are all well rid of him.
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Sat 20 Jul, 2013 03:47 am
@hawkeye10,
Quote:
Although his life's really finished. I can't imagine when it will be safe for him to ever come out of hiding...
so I don't think the world will ever see much of George Zimmerman again. His life is over.
hawkeye10 wrote:

I am thinking more along the lines of a cushy job in a small Montana town provided by a benefactor,
and that Zimmerman will never be able to pay for a drink down
at the saloon, because he is the town hero.....
Yeah, I can see that. I 'd contribute to it.





David
gungasnake
 
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Sat 20 Jul, 2013 03:51 am
@Miller,
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Since the "kid" was young , why didn't he just run like hell?


He didn't HAVE to. Nobody was chasing him, Zimmerman had lost sight of him and was walking back to his vehicle, and he could easily have simply walked home.
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gungasnake
 
  1  
Sat 20 Jul, 2013 03:54 am
@BillRM,
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Lord as unhappy and as outright shock over Obama and the Obama administration behaviors of late both over the NSA massive spying and the Zimmerman nonsense I still sadly question if the republicans would be any better.


ANYTHING would be better. The US demoKKKrat party is the primary focus of evil in today's world.
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gungasnake
 
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Sat 20 Jul, 2013 03:58 am
@timur,
Quote:
Montanians have to be very special people, to proclaim a hero a man that stalked and murdered an innocent black teen just because he was black..


Do you find being an idiot painful?
OmSigDAVID
 
  2  
Sat 20 Jul, 2013 04:09 am
@BillRM,
Quote:
firefly wrote:He's just lucky it wasn't Zimmerman who spotted him in that park...
DAVID wrote:
because if Zimmy spotted him,
then he 'd have called 911 and then [horrors!!!] FOLLOWED Bill and the kittens,
and if Bill beat Zimmy 's head against the cement,
then Zimmy 'd have shot Bill (unless Bill shot him first, with Bill's .357 revolver)
BillRM wrote:
Oh I guess I am missing something by having Firefly on ignore
but then I guess I am not either by the quotes from her I am reading.

Oh one must wonder how Firefly who had expressed wishes
to do everything but boil alive people with illegal pictures can
defend Trayvon who by reports was found to have a numbers of
under age naked pictures of girls on his cell phone. Shame shame
on that sweet young man who the news media is still showing
pictures of as a 13-14 years old. [CHILD PORN on Travon 's cell fone????]

I guess the color of his skin and being anti-self defense is enough in this case
to out weigh Firefly desire to lock up every teenage boy in the nation
that had talked his girlfriend into sending him such pictures
or who have male friends who had shared such pictures of their girlfriends with him.
timur
 
  1  
Sat 20 Jul, 2013 04:21 am
@gungasnake,
Yeah, I find it painful to see you being yourself..
BillRM
 
  1  
Sat 20 Jul, 2013 04:43 am
@timur,
Quote:
Montanians have to be very special people, to proclaim a hero a man that stalked and murdered an innocent black teen just because he was black..


Yes indeed he stalked and murder the little hoodlum instead of being one hell of a good neighbor to all this neighbors of whatever color by helping prevent break ins on his own time and was attacked while doing so and almost murder by this young hoodlum,
BillRM
 
  1  
Sat 20 Jul, 2013 04:44 am
@OmSigDAVID,
Quote:
Yeah, I can see that. I 'd contribute to it.


Same here.
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BillRM
 
  0  
Sat 20 Jul, 2013 04:51 am
@OmSigDAVID,
Quote:
[CHILD PORN on Travon 's cell fone????]


To be fair I myself do not consider that the willing sharing of middle to late teens pictures among themselves should fall under the child porn laws as seems to be the case with Trayvon at least from what I could gather/assume from the news stories.

However Firefly does indeed consider that such willing sharing should be under the child porn laws so yes he did had under age females nude pictures on his phone from the news stories I had read and such pictures would under current law be consider child porn,

Quote:


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/07/17/zimmerman-prosecutors-lawsuit_n_3607470.html

Kruidbos testified last month in a pre-trial hearing that he found photos on Martin's phone that included pictures of a pile of jewelry on a bed, underage nude females, marijuana plants and a hand holding a semi-automatic pistol.
timur
 
  3  
Sat 20 Jul, 2013 05:05 am
@BillRM,
The Guardian wrote:
The world is aghast over Trayvon Martin. The US needs to look at itself
The jurors who acquitted George Zimmerman say they acted in strict accordance with US law. That in itself speaks volumes
BillRM
 
  0  
Sat 20 Jul, 2013 05:12 am
@timur,
The right of self defense is the right of self defense even when it come to a minor trying to killed you and everywhere in the world that allow you to defense your life from a would be murderer he would had been clear.
timur
 
  3  
Sat 20 Jul, 2013 05:21 am
@BillRM,
Your right to bear arms and use them is so ingrained that you cannot distinguish anymore between self-defense and racist murder.
BillRM
 
  0  
Sat 20 Jul, 2013 05:24 am
@timur,
Quote:
Your right to bear arms and use them is so ingrained that you cannot distinguish anymore between self-defense and racist murder.


Poor Zimmerman would had been better off if instead of a gun he had carry a combat knife that night and had gutted Trayvon with it so the anti gun nuts would not have gone after him for killing his would be murderer with a gun.

Oh I will add that the right of self defense is the right of self defense even when the would be murderer is a minor and who skin color happen to be black.
 

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