The State of Florida vs George Zimmerman: The Trial

@firefly,

firefly wrote:

He can understand what Trayvon Martin felt that night, when a creepy white guy began following him in the dark, for no apparent reason, and you cannot...because he could have been Trayvon 35 years ago.

Wud Obama have been CIVIL
OR
wud he prefer beating the innocent fellow 's head against the street,
as the bad guy did before Zimmy shot him ??????????

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@firefly,

Quote:

"Do we actually think that he would have been justified in shooting Mr. Zimmerman, who had followed him in a car, because he felt threatened?" Mr. Obama said

What if, instead of a black kid, a woman, had been walking down the darkened street, minding her own business and some male,whose identity was unknown by the woman had followed her down the street in his car, with the intention of grabbing her, raping her and then chaining her to pipes in his basement.

Would the woman have been justified in " standing her ground", when she pulled a gun from her purse , aimed it at the man, and then pulled the trigger?

If you, the victim can't "stand your ground", who will protect you from the crime dished out each and every day in towns and cities across America?

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@mysteryman,

mysteryman wrote:

I don't understand why so many people are saying that justice failed Trayvon Martin.
The justice system worked perfectly.

Now before any of you get your panties in a twist, hear me out.
Our justice system calls for a trial by jury, and that's exactly what happened.
A jury heard and saw all the evidence, just like they were supposed to.
Both sides were represented by attorneys, and both sides were allowed to question the witnesses.

After hearing and seeing all the evidence, something none of us have done, the jury deliberated
and made an informed, honest decision.

No matter what you think of the verdict, nobody can HONESTLY say that the justice system failed anyone.
You may not like the verdict, but the system worked perfectly.

With all respect, I disagree, MM.
The justice system failed Zimmy by subjecting him to a nightmare
for no reason. Must Americans expect to be subjected to the same thing
every time thay defend themselves from predatory violence,
just because thay successfully killed the criminal predator??
The crime against them was not bad enuf by itself
without government ganging up with the (dead) bad guy against the good guy victim??

Did we create government to be thusy abused???

If Zimmy were a black and the same thing happened to him,
shud he be treated the same way??

While a future similar victim is having his head beaten on the cement,
shud he be evaluating whether he shud protect the bad guy
that is doing the beating, in order to avoid
the nightmare inflicted by government upon the hapless Zimmy ????
If he chooses to protect the bad guy
when he shud be trying to kill him,
then he might well get killed by a predator who offers no such courtesies
and does not fear government.

David

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@Miller,

So, are you saying that any woman who feels threatened by a man who might be following her, or who even has a date who won't take, "No" for an answer, would be justified in taking out a gun and shooting him?

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@firefly,

Sure. In Florida, the woman would be acquitted of any crime.

Who can prove "fear?"

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@Miller,

What if the woman is wrong and the man had no intention of grabbing her, raping her and chaining her to the basement? I think that is why a lot of women carry pepper spray. Of course in some people minds, then the man would be justified in killing her...Personally I wouldn't go in a darkened deserted place but that's just me. Everyone should have the right to go anywhere without fear of being shot or rapped or robbed....and everyone should have the right the walk down the street without assumptions being made, including men in darkened alleys.

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@OmSigDAVID,

Quote:

While a future similar victim is having his head beaten on the cement,
shud he be evaluating whether he shud protect the bad guy
that is doing the beating, in order to avoid
the nightmare inflicted by government upon the hapless Zimmy ????

Perhaps the CC people in Florida should also carry a combat knife as well as a firearm to be used on an attacked that happen to have a black skin.

If it is not an evil gun that did the killing then the news media and the Sharptons of the world is less likely to beat the drum and demand prosecution for the crime of self defense and in Florida the CC license not only cover carrying guns around but such things as combat knives.

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@gungasnake,

That sounds a bit drastic gunga. I'm not saying it's not plausible but it certainly is drastic.

Mortgage companies are pawn shops. You get to look after the security with a house because you can't carry it off with you when fleeing. They are still pawnshops.

As a matter of interest where would you start? Just the broad outlines will be sufficient for me to get the main gist.

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@firefly,

firefly wrote:

So, are you saying that any woman who feels threatened by a man who might be following her,
or who even has a date who won't take, "No" for an answer,
would be justified in taking out a gun and shooting him?

If, having refused to take "no" for an answer,
he proceeds to begin to execute his decision upon her,
then she is within her rights to take out a gun and kill him.

I remain un-sure of Florida law; if she fails to discharge her weapon,
if he changes his mind, then is she guilty of BRANDISHING
for showing the gun to him, without firing it into his person??

Interesting; I shud look into that. Whatayathink about that, Firefly ??

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@mysteryman,

I can't speak for everyone, but I don't look at it as justice failing, I look at it as either the prosecution failing or the laws itself that failed Trayvon Martin. However, the jury rendered their verdict and I respect the system enough to respect the decision.

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Is there any one here with knowledge of combat knives?

I am hardly an expert and if I was going to picked up such a knife I might just go with a USMC Ka Bar under the theory that the corp know what they are doing in picking a combat knife type.

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@revelette,

I agree with your conclusions about this case.

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Obama Trayvon Martin Speech Transcript: President Comments On George Zimmerman Verdict

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@mysteryman,

The thing which has "failed" the libtards in this instance is our educational system...

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@BillRM,

DAVID wrote:

While a future similar victim is having his head beaten on the cement,
shud he be evaluating whether he shud protect the bad guy
that is doing the beating, in order to avoid
the nightmare inflicted by government upon the hapless Zimmy ????

BillRM wrote:

Perhaps the CC people in Florida should also carry a combat knife
as well as a firearm to be used on an attacker that happens to have a black skin.

I dunno, but I have a hunch
that if a white were beating my head on the street,
I 'd be equally as eager to kill him, as a black.
I 'd give that white equal protection of the law.

BillRM wrote:

If it is not an evil gun that did the killing then the news media
and the Sharptons of the world is less likely to beat the drum
and demand prosecution for the crime of self defense and
in Florida the CC license not only cover carrying guns around
but such things as combat knives.

In my youth, I believe that I cud have handled that,
but now I 'm lucky to be able to walk at all.

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@firefly,

Quote:

So, are you saying that any woman who feels threatened by a man who might be following her, or who even has a date who won't take, "No" for an answer, would be justified in taking out a gun and shooting him?

I think a case could be made out for that ff. It would probably reduce the number of women who feel threatened by men or won't take "No" (surely a "!" was called for) for an answer now that chaperones have been done away with. It would be logical in a world where women are free to roam the streets which is what chaperonage was invented to allow them to safely do.

Unless men have changed in these regards in the last 100 years or so.

The law as a deterrent is ineffective in direct proportion to the number of cases there are of such behaviour. Relying on the law might seem to some an encouragement to such vulgarities perped at the expense of the female sex compared with granting women permission to shoot the buggers.

And more expensive by a long way.

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@BillRM,

The main knife I take on hunting trips is the CRKT M16. Very sharp, very strong, very easy to get open, clips onto a belt or whatever, and has become a standard item with the US military. I carry the thing mainly on the off chance I'd ever have to deal with wild dogs or anything like that on the ground with just a bow in my left hand. I have a couple of other knives which are better for field dressing deer.

http://www.crkt.com/crkt/content/images_inv/w/r/251/M16-10KZ_xlarge_251.jpg

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@BillRM,

BillRM wrote:

Is there any one here with knowledge of combat knives?

I am hardly an expert and if I was going to picked up such a knife I might just go with a USMC Ka Bar
under the theory that the corp know what they are doing in picking a combat knife type.

I lack familiarity with it,
but I understand that in very recent years great strides
have been achieved in knife blade sharpness.
I don't know whether those knives r good for fighting or not.

I prefer short barreled .44 caliber revolvers with hollowpointed slugs,
until the advent of better technology. Does anyone know
what ever became of Extreme Shock Ammuntion ? http://extremeshockusa.com/

David

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@OmSigDAVID,

Quote:

If, having refused to take "no" for an answer,
he proceeds to begin to execute his decision upon her,
then she is within her rights to take out a gun and kill him.

You have found the solution to date rape, David.

That would certainly drive home the meaning of "consent"--or, more accurately, the meaning of lack of consent.

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@firefly,

David's solution for everything is with a gun; his penis.

Betcha he's a chicken-little without his firearm.

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