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Pope says Atheists Who Do Good Are Redeemed, Vatican Backpedals

 
 
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Thu 6 Jun, 2013 05:28 pm
@Rockhead,
OK; I can live with "buk".
I didn't think of it.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Thu 6 Jun, 2013 05:38 pm
@Thomas,
OmSigDAVID wrote:
Is that to say that his personal opinions
and his official opinions are inconsistent ??
Thomas wrote:
No, it isn't. The distinction is not between his personal and his official opinions; it's between his opinions, official or not, and Catholic dogma. As the First Vatican Council promulgated, and as Setanta already posted, the operative words are these:

Quote:
when the Roman Pontiff speaks EX CATHEDRA, that is, when, in the exercise of his office as shepherd and teacher of all Christians, in virtue of his supreme apostolic authority, he defines a doctrine concerning faith or morals to be held by the whole Church, he possesses, by the divine assistance promised to him in blessed Peter, that infallibility which the divine Redeemer willed his Church to enjoy in defining doctrine concerning faith or morals.

Source

What the Vatican spokesperson is pointing out is that in this case, the pope did not speak ex cathedra to define a doctrine concerning faith or morals.

And that's perfectly typical for papal declarations: This whole infallibility business is a very limited deal. Since the Catholic Church first promulgated the doctrine of papal infallibility, it promulgated only one new church doctrine through a pope speaking ex cathedra. In every other statement any pope made in the past 140 years, the pope spoke as an ordinary, fallible CEO.
1. I don't pretend to be an expert; just looking at the logic
of the situation.

2. It seems to me, that he was commenting on morality
insofar as it applies to atheism.

3. Is he on-the-job 24/7 ??

I wonder whether it is POSSIBLE for him to speak non-ex-cathedra.
I 'm not making a declarative statement; I dunno.
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ehBeth
 
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Reply Thu 6 Jun, 2013 05:39 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
OmSigDAVID wrote:

Heaven is a proper noun.
It shud be capitalized, the same as Florida.


that would suggest you believe that there is only one heaven

_________


my latest addiction is the accent tag

it makes a wonderful hash of the concept of phonetic spelling


(there are hundreds of these)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e9ing7-LrSM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YqiV4F2uHeQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SsWzLigMGgU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FQr58kYNJJY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wxFsZGPRMY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oi9aIKwxtZo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4zBULlOgVI
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Thu 6 Jun, 2013 05:44 pm
@ehBeth,
If we wish to consider more of them,
then we shud use the plural: Heavens.

Like the Florida Keys ?

We speak of the Americas, referring to 2 different continents.
ehBeth
 
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Reply Thu 6 Jun, 2013 05:48 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
Do you talk to your Neighbours? do you polish your Guns? did you eat the Sandwiches?


(you must be a native German Speaker if you want to capitalize Nouns)
ehBeth
 
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Reply Thu 6 Jun, 2013 05:49 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
OmSigDAVID wrote:
then we shud use the plural


before you do any more of that phonetic spelling, listen to the accent tag meme samples I posted - then decide which one phonetic spelling works for each of the sample words


(see you in a decade or so)
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Thu 6 Jun, 2013 06:07 pm
@ehBeth,
I was referring to proper nouns.

I don't believe there is a controversy qua capitalizing Ohio,
Canada, Camelot, Shangri la, nor the planet Vulcan,
but I 've noticed that Heaven does not get that courtesy.

What is the reason for that ??

Anyone ?
Thomas
 
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Reply Thu 6 Jun, 2013 06:08 pm
@ehBeth,
ehBeth wrote:
(you must be a native German Speaker if you want to capitalize Nouns)

You forget that David is a Reincarnation of the Founding Fathers. They capitalized each and every Noun in the Declaration of Independence, and I believe in the Constitution, too.
ehBeth
 
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Reply Thu 6 Jun, 2013 06:09 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
I don't think that camelot and shangri la are necessarily proper nouns. They are concepts much as heaven is.
ehBeth
 
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Reply Thu 6 Jun, 2013 06:09 pm
@Thomas,
<snicker>
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Lustig Andrei
 
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Reply Thu 6 Jun, 2013 06:10 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
OmSigDAVID wrote:

OK; I can live with "buk".
I didn't think of it.


That, at least, is a genuine 'fonetik' spelling. Most of the bizarre and highly individualistic so-called phonetic spellings that you use, David, are not really phonetic at all. When you insist on spelling 'they' as 'thay', you are spelling a word which, phonetically, should then be pronounced 'thy.' Why you insist on maintaining this nonsense is beyond me. At least you could acquaint yourself with what is truly phonetic and what is merely 'cabelese' or 'texting' script e.g. 'u' for 'you' etc. That's not phonetic; that's just ignorant.

Sorry for the rant. Just hadda get that off my chest.
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Thu 6 Jun, 2013 06:10 pm
@ehBeth,
ehBeth wrote:

OmSigDAVID wrote:
then we shud use the plural


before you do any more of that phonetic spelling, listen to the accent tag meme samples I posted - then decide which one phonetic spelling works for each of the sample words


(see you in a decade or so)
OK, but I use an ordinary NY pronunciation.
ehBeth
 
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Reply Thu 6 Jun, 2013 06:15 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
OmSigDAVID wrote:
OK, but I use an ordinary NY pronunciation.


which is why your personal version of phonetic spelling only makes sense to a very small proportion of the world's population
George
 
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Reply Thu 6 Jun, 2013 06:17 pm
@ossobuco,
ossobuco wrote:
. . . Bet George knows the ins and outs of all that.
I'm leaving this to our resident ecclesiologists.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Thu 6 Jun, 2013 06:17 pm
@ehBeth,
ehBeth wrote:

I don't think that camelot and shangri la are necessarily proper nouns.
They are concepts much as heaven is.
It was the putative site of King Arthur's court in England.
There has been some archeological interest in whether it has been found.

Shangri la was written of as a place in the Himalayan Mountains;
a village, if memory serves; not abstract concepts.
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Thu 6 Jun, 2013 06:21 pm
@ehBeth,
The NY pronunciation is pretty close to nationwide,
with some variation in the South.

A New Yorker can easily make himself understood anywhere in America.
ehBeth
 
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Reply Thu 6 Jun, 2013 06:26 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
OmSigDAVID wrote:

The NY pronunciation is pretty close to nationwide,


you've not spent much time in the centre of the country David. A Yooper would laugh at the idea that the NY pronunciation is used anywhere but in the U.S.

I can tell you that frankapisa's accent is nothing like joenation's, which is nothing like noddy's, which was completely different from Diane's, which is marvellously different from Setanta's. littlek's accent is quite distinct from masscass'. dyslexia had a different accent from all of the aforementioned. None of them sound/ed like your phonetic spelling suggests English might be spoken.
Lustig Andrei
 
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Reply Thu 6 Jun, 2013 06:32 pm
@ehBeth,
ehBeth wrote:
None of them sound/ed like your phonetic spelling suggests English might be spoken.


From David's spelling, how on earth can you tell how he, or anybody, would pronounce the word?
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Thu 6 Jun, 2013 06:32 pm
@ehBeth,
What 's a "Yooper" ?
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Thu 6 Jun, 2013 06:37 pm
@Lustig Andrei,

ehBeth wrote:
None of them sound/ed like your phonetic spelling suggests English might be spoken.
Lustig Andrei wrote:

From David's spelling, how on earth can you tell how he,
or anybody, would pronounce the word?
Do u allege that
adding an L into the words: wud, cud or shud helps anything ?

Do u claim that adding the letters UGH onto the word tho is helpful ?

Do u believe that any good comes from spelling the word enuf: enough ??
If so, what good do u c ?
 

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