Pope says Atheists Who Do Good Are Redeemed, Vatican Backpedals

@Miller,

I dunno, they're in Heaven not church.

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@Miller,

How reptilian of you. You don't know their beliefs, much less that theirs are less worthy than yours.

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@izzythepush,

OmSigDAVID wrote:

( Incidentally, Heaven is a proper noun, like Arizona or Disneyworld. )

izzythepush wrote:

You talk like you've been there, well I never.

I 've never had much interest in dancing either, Izzy.
It seems like a pointless waste of time.

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@OmSigDAVID,

I thought you gave tango lessons in your spare time.

Seriously, it keeps you fit and can get you laid.

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The Girl does belly dance. They're having their semi-annual gala a week from Friday. All of those scantily clad dancey girls--it just leads to sensory overload.

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@Setanta,

But you're not complaining, are you?

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@OmSigDAVID,

OmSigDAVID wrote:

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Pope says Atheists Who Do Good Are Redeemed, Vatican Backpedals
How did he get his information ?
Has he interviewed atheists who have returned from death
in hospitals and told him how it worked out ????????

Good question, David. But the true answer is that Bertrand Russel appeared to him in a dream and told him. And when he had breakfast the next morning, he saw the face of Karl Marx in the burn mark of his toast. That was clearly a miracle, authenticating the dream.

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@InfraBlue,

InfraBlue wrote:

How did the Vatican backpedal, exactly?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/05/28/vatican-atheists-cant-be-saved_n_3346201.html

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@Thomas,

Thomas wrote:

Good question, David. But the true answer is that Bertrand Russel appeared to him in a dream and told him. And when he had breakfast the next morning, he saw the face of Karl Marx in the burn mark of his toast. That was clearly a miracle, authenticating the dream.

This is clearly untrue.

The Pope never has toast for breakfast.

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@Lordyaswas,

Lordyaswas wrote:

This is clearly untrue.

The Pope never has toast for breakfast.

That morning, he evidently did --- which makes it even more of a miracle.

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@Thomas,

Thomas wrote:

InfraBlue wrote:
How did the Vatican backpedal, exactly?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/05/28/vatican-atheists-cant-be-saved_n_3346201.html

BAM! There it is.

Thanks.

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@InfraBlue,

InfraBlue wrote:

Thomas wrote:

InfraBlue wrote:
How did the Vatican backpedal, exactly?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/05/28/vatican-atheists-cant-be-saved_n_3346201.html

BAM! There it is.

Thanks.

I loved their explanation too. Basically they said that the Pope is supposed to sound pretty and make eloquent moving speeches, but he's not supposed to be an expert on (or to define) church doctrine.

Probably a nice little power struggle going on in the Vatican lately Smile

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@rosborne979,

good catch

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Hellbound After All?
I enjoyed this article in The New Yorker.

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@rosborne979,

Kinda shoots the proposition of papal infallibility right in the ass, huh?

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I wonder if this is a palace coup by the College of Cardinals?

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@Setanta,

Setanta wrote:

Kinda shoots the proposition of papal infallibility right in the ass, huh?

Absolutely. The Pope really put them in a tough position with his kind perspective on atheists (an impressive gambit in my opinion). The inner circles had to choose between giving up control of church doctrine (their own control), or they had to give up the mantle of Papal infallibility. Amazingly, they chose to throw their own Pope under the bus.

This could turn around to bite them pretty hard. If the people like this Pope, and it's hard not to, then like Maximus in the arena, once he controls the "mob" he could bring down Caesar.

Fun stuff Smile

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@Setanta,

I doubt it.
Fr. Thomas Rosica lives in Windsor Ontario.

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@rosborne979,

rosborne979 wrote:

Setanta wrote:
Kinda shoots the proposition of papal infallibility right in the ass, huh?

Absolutely. The Pope really put them in a tough position with his kind perspective on atheists (an impressive gambit in my opinion). The inner circles had to choose between giving up control of church doctrine (their own control), or they had to give up the mantle of Papal infallibility. Amazingly, they chose to throw their own Pope under the bus.

This could turn around to bite them pretty hard. If the people like this Pope, and it's hard not to, then like Maximus in the arena, once he controls the "mob" he could bring down Caesar.

Fun stuff

I actually agree with your take on this. An interesting situation.

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@Setanta,

Setanta wrote:

I wonder if this is a palace coup by the College of Cardinals?

I think the Pope forced their hand to expose them. Which he did. And the choice they made set the Pope up as a martyr (by having them question his mantle of infallibility), which will only strengthen his position in the eyes of the people.

Now I'm not surprised that the previous Pope resigned, resulting in a speedy confirmation of the new Pope. He was probably to frail for this battle. The votes they needed to select this Pope may even have been established covertly before the resignation happened.

Either that or the Pope simply misspoke a few words about atheists. But I prefer to think that there's a massive internal power struggle and Vatican conspiracy going on. It's been a slow news week, so we need something juicy Smile

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