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Pope says Atheists Who Do Good Are Redeemed, Vatican Backpedals

 
 
izzythepush
 
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Reply Tue 4 Jun, 2013 04:45 pm
@Miller,
I dunno, they're in Heaven not church.
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ossobuco
 
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Reply Tue 4 Jun, 2013 04:53 pm
@Miller,
How reptilian of you. You don't know their beliefs, much less that theirs are less worthy than yours.
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Tue 4 Jun, 2013 06:13 pm
@izzythepush,

OmSigDAVID wrote:
( Incidentally, Heaven is a proper noun, like Arizona or Disneyworld. )
izzythepush wrote:


You talk like you've been there, well I never.
I 've never had much interest in dancing either, Izzy.
It seems like a pointless waste of time.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Wed 5 Jun, 2013 01:24 am
@OmSigDAVID,
I thought you gave tango lessons in your spare time.

Seriously, it keeps you fit and can get you laid.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Wed 5 Jun, 2013 01:57 am
The Girl does belly dance. They're having their semi-annual gala a week from Friday. All of those scantily clad dancey girls--it just leads to sensory overload.
Thomas
 
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Reply Wed 5 Jun, 2013 05:40 am
@Setanta,
But you're not complaining, are you?
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Thomas
 
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Reply Wed 5 Jun, 2013 06:01 am
@OmSigDAVID,
OmSigDAVID wrote:
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Pope says Atheists Who Do Good Are Redeemed, Vatican Backpedals
How did he get his information ?
Has he interviewed atheists who have returned from death
in hospitals and told him how it worked out ????????

Good question, David. But the true answer is that Bertrand Russel appeared to him in a dream and told him. And when he had breakfast the next morning, he saw the face of Karl Marx in the burn mark of his toast. That was clearly a miracle, authenticating the dream.
Thomas
 
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Reply Wed 5 Jun, 2013 06:07 am
@InfraBlue,
InfraBlue wrote:
How did the Vatican backpedal, exactly?


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/05/28/vatican-atheists-cant-be-saved_n_3346201.html
Lordyaswas
 
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Reply Wed 5 Jun, 2013 06:07 am
@Thomas,
Thomas wrote:


Good question, David. But the true answer is that Bertrand Russel appeared to him in a dream and told him. And when he had breakfast the next morning, he saw the face of Karl Marx in the burn mark of his toast. That was clearly a miracle, authenticating the dream.


This is clearly untrue.

The Pope never has toast for breakfast.
Thomas
 
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Reply Wed 5 Jun, 2013 09:47 am
@Lordyaswas,
Lordyaswas wrote:
This is clearly untrue.

The Pope never has toast for breakfast.

That morning, he evidently did --- which makes it even more of a miracle.
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InfraBlue
 
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Reply Wed 5 Jun, 2013 11:57 am
@Thomas,
Thomas wrote:

InfraBlue wrote:
How did the Vatican backpedal, exactly?


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/05/28/vatican-atheists-cant-be-saved_n_3346201.html


BAM! There it is.

Thanks.
rosborne979
 
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Reply Wed 5 Jun, 2013 12:35 pm
@InfraBlue,
InfraBlue wrote:

Thomas wrote:

InfraBlue wrote:
How did the Vatican backpedal, exactly?


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/05/28/vatican-atheists-cant-be-saved_n_3346201.html


BAM! There it is.

Thanks.

I loved their explanation too. Basically they said that the Pope is supposed to sound pretty and make eloquent moving speeches, but he's not supposed to be an expert on (or to define) church doctrine.

Probably a nice little power struggle going on in the Vatican lately Smile
ossobuco
 
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Reply Wed 5 Jun, 2013 01:35 pm
@rosborne979,
good catch
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George
 
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Reply Wed 5 Jun, 2013 07:45 pm
Hellbound After All?
I enjoyed this article in The New Yorker.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Wed 5 Jun, 2013 07:51 pm
@rosborne979,
Kinda shoots the proposition of papal infallibility right in the ass, huh?
Setanta
 
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Reply Wed 5 Jun, 2013 07:52 pm
I wonder if this is a palace coup by the College of Cardinals?
rosborne979
 
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Reply Wed 5 Jun, 2013 08:09 pm
@Setanta,
Setanta wrote:
Kinda shoots the proposition of papal infallibility right in the ass, huh?

Absolutely. The Pope really put them in a tough position with his kind perspective on atheists (an impressive gambit in my opinion). The inner circles had to choose between giving up control of church doctrine (their own control), or they had to give up the mantle of Papal infallibility. Amazingly, they chose to throw their own Pope under the bus.

This could turn around to bite them pretty hard. If the people like this Pope, and it's hard not to, then like Maximus in the arena, once he controls the "mob" he could bring down Caesar.

Fun stuff Smile
George
 
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Reply Wed 5 Jun, 2013 08:12 pm
@Setanta,
I doubt it.
Fr. Thomas Rosica lives in Windsor Ontario.
snood
 
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Reply Wed 5 Jun, 2013 08:20 pm
@rosborne979,
rosborne979 wrote:

Setanta wrote:
Kinda shoots the proposition of papal infallibility right in the ass, huh?

Absolutely. The Pope really put them in a tough position with his kind perspective on atheists (an impressive gambit in my opinion). The inner circles had to choose between giving up control of church doctrine (their own control), or they had to give up the mantle of Papal infallibility. Amazingly, they chose to throw their own Pope under the bus.

This could turn around to bite them pretty hard. If the people like this Pope, and it's hard not to, then like Maximus in the arena, once he controls the "mob" he could bring down Caesar.

Fun stuff Smile


I actually agree with your take on this. An interesting situation.
rosborne979
 
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Reply Wed 5 Jun, 2013 08:21 pm
@Setanta,
Setanta wrote:
I wonder if this is a palace coup by the College of Cardinals?

I think the Pope forced their hand to expose them. Which he did. And the choice they made set the Pope up as a martyr (by having them question his mantle of infallibility), which will only strengthen his position in the eyes of the people.

Now I'm not surprised that the previous Pope resigned, resulting in a speedy confirmation of the new Pope. He was probably to frail for this battle. The votes they needed to select this Pope may even have been established covertly before the resignation happened.

Either that or the Pope simply misspoke a few words about atheists. But I prefer to think that there's a massive internal power struggle and Vatican conspiracy going on. It's been a slow news week, so we need something juicy Smile
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