Terrorist attack in London

..., but you ran away from this article.

A lot of good you lot have done with your protesting. Blair and all the other UK war criminals are free, enjoying life while Iraqis, Afghans, Iranians, ... remain terrorized and subject to the after effects of the immense brutality heaped on them by the UK/US/... .

JTT wrote:


And of course it has nothing to do with the UK's killing innocents around the world, right, Izzy?



Lots of people protest against the UK's foreign policy without resorting to violence. We're out of Iraq now and will be out of Afghanistan soon, but I doubt that means the threat will go away once we're out of there.

Of course not, you read the Guardian, but only come across articles about America.

I prefer to read the whole paper, it gives a more panoramic view.

One cause of US's problem with Islamic extremists stems from our presence in the Middle East.

A lot more good than you've done with your constant attacks,

you've alienated people who could help,

and strengthened the resolve of those who support American Imperialism.

The Arab world blames the West

A lot more good than you've done with your constant attacks, you've alienated people who could help,

An yet they was not willing to do anything at all themselves to deal with the ongoing danger that Iraq happen to had been under the rule of Saddam Husein to the whole region.

US Caused More Deaths in Iraq Than Saddam, Says Anti-War Tribunal
ISTANBUL - The World Tribunal on Iraq (WTI), a grouping of NGOs, intellectuals and writers opposed to the war in Iraq, on Friday accused the United States of causing more deaths in Iraq than ousted president Saddam Hussein.

"With two wars and 13 years of criminal sanctions, the United States have been responsible for more deaths in Iraq than Saddam Hussein," Larry Everest, a journalist, told hundreds of anti-war activists gathered in Istanbul.

Founded in 2003, the WTI is modelled on the 1960s Russell Tribunal, created by the British philosopher Bertrand Russell to denounce the war in Vietnam. It has held about 20 sessions so far in different locations around the world.

A symbolic verdict was to be handed down on Monday by the 14 "jurors of conscience" -- including the militant Indian novelist Arundhati Roy, winner of the 1997 Booker Prize for "The God of Small Things."

The tribunal has for the past two years been gathering what it says is evidence that the war launched in March 2003 to oust Saddam was illegal, and it has also been gathering evidence of exactions allegedly committed by coalition troops.

Its verdict on Monday after its final session is expected to condemn both the United States and Britain.

Roy told the gathering here: ""The evidence collated in this tribunal should ... be used by the International Criminal Court -- whose jurisdiction the United States does not recognize -- to try as war criminals George Bush, Tony Blair, John Howard, Silvio Berlusconi, and all those government officials, army generals, and corporate CEOs who participated in this war and now benefit from it."

She added that the tribunal was "an act of resistance," "a defense mounted against one of the most cowardly wars ever fought in history."

Hans von Sponeck, former director of the UN's so-called oil-for-food programme for Iraq, told the Istanbul gathering that the humanitarian programme "was totally irrelevant."

Von Sponeck ran the programme until 2000 when he resigned because he said it failed to meet the humanitarian needs of the Iraqi people.

The oil-for-food programme ran from 1996 to 2003. It allowed Baghdad to sell oil in exchange for humanitarian goods the country lacked due to international sanctions imposed in 1990 after Iraq invaded Kuwait.

Critics said the sanctions led to the deaths of tens of thousands of children and a drastic decline in living standards for almost the entire Iraqi population.

The Iraqi government under Saddam swindled millions of dollars from the 64-billion-dollar scheme, and the scandal has become a huge embarrassment for the United Nations.

"The UN handling of Iraq will be listed as a massive failure," von Sponeck said. "We didn't speak out despite knowing what the economic sanctions had created as a human disaster."

He singled out the United States and British governments for allegedly blocking projects that would, he said, have allowed more people to survive.

Some 200 non-governmental organsiations -- including the environmentalist group Greenpeace, the anti-globalization ATTAC and Vietnam Veterans Against the War -- as well as a number of prominent intellectuals such as US linguist Noam Chomsky and Egyptian sociologist Samir Amin are involved in the WTI.

https://www.commondreams.org/archive/2007/09/19/3938

Iraqis say brutality of US regime worse than Saddam Hussein


*** The people in Iraq say the US regime is worse than Saddam Hussein ever was. Describing the horrors of torture inflicted with glee by American personnel, an Iraqi who was tortured by the deposed regime said "Saddam didn't do this to us." In past two years The US and UK have killed more Iraqi civilians, mainly women and children., than died during 26 years of bloody war and insurgency under Saddam Hussein. American and British politicians can claim whatever they like, but the facts and figures speak for themselves, and the only verdict that matters is the opinion of the Iraqi people. ***

FORT HOOD, Texas (Reuters) - A former inmate at Iraq's Abu Ghraib prison forced by U.S. guards to masturbate in public and piled onto a pyramid of naked men said Tuesday even Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein did not do such things.

The inmate testified at the court martial of reservist soldier Charles Graner, accused ringleader of guards who engaged in the abuse, which prompted outrage when pictures of the sexual humiliation were published around the world.

"I couldn't believe in the beginning that this could happen, but I wished I could kill myself because no one was there to stop it," Hussein Mutar, who was sent to Abu Ghraib accused of car theft, said in videotaped testimony.

"They were torturing us as though it was theater for them," he said, as the prosecution wound up its case against Graner on assault, dereliction of duty and other charges that could bring him up to 17 1/2 years in prison.

An obviously ill-at ease Mutar added: "I was extremely emotional because (even) Saddam didn't do this to us."

The only one who is avoiding the truth is you.

You're not interested in justice or human rights, you just want to attack America & its allies.

That would be fine in itself, but you make it personal by attacking individuals who can have little, if any impact, on how their government operates.

You call others cowards for putting you on ignore because you just insult them,

but you're too cowardly to own up to your own nationality, or discuss your own country's crimes.

Despite what some simple minded people like to think, the motivation for this is never straight forward.

The MAJOR cause of Middle Easterners' problem with US extremists stems from the US and UK's presence in the Middle East.

Who do you think those ME countries belong to?

One of the most enduring thorns within the Arabs/Muslims communities is the US one-sided support for Israel and the Zionist nation's suppression of the Palestinians. The US has allowed Israel to be a nuclear state within the midst of these Arab countries with sophisticated weapons so the tiny Israeli nation is master of all she surveys.

I hear you, JTT.

One of the most enduring thorns within the Arabs/Muslims communities is the US one-sided support for Israel and the Zionist nation's suppression of the Palestinians. The US has allowed Israel to be a nuclear state within the midst of these Arab countries with sophisticated weapons so the tiny Israeli nation is master of all she surveys. This is very much resented by Israel's neighbors. The US has indeed supported many dictators in the middle east. We supported the Shah of Iran before the 1979 Iranian revolution which sent the Shah and his family fleeing. The US was a supporter of Saddam Hussein during the time the Iraqi dictator used nerve gas on his own people, the Kurds, and some Iranians. The US' support of little dictators seems endless. The drones are another current hot spot causing psychological damage to many in the area where targeted.

Why are you so reluctant to discuss Greenwald/Glenton? Do you think those issues they've raised are not important?