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Report: CIA foiled al-Qaida plot

 
 
Reply Mon 7 May, 2012 03:01 pm

CNN news wrote:
The CIA foiled a plot by al-Qaida's affiliate in Yemen to bomb a U.S.-bound airliner around the one-year anniversary of the killing of its former leader Osama bin Laden, The Associated Press reported.

According to the report, American officials say the plot involved a bomb with an improved design that upgraded the underwear bomb taken aboard a jetliner over Detroit on Christmas 2009. That explosive device failed to detonate.

The AP reports the improved bomb had a more refined detonation mechanism, but was still intended to be hidden in a passenger's underwear.

An official told NBC News no airlines were ever at risk. The plot was disrupted well before it threatened Americans or U.S. allies, the official added.

Counter-terror officials deem the thwarted plot a "success story," NBC News reported. They said they are analyzing the device.

According to the AP, the would-be suicide bomber was instructed to buy a ticket on the airliner of his choosing and decide the timing of the attack.

The U.S. officials interviewed spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss the sensitive case, according to the AP.



http://worldnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/05/07/11583173-report-cia-foiled-al-qaida-plot-to-destroy-us-bound-airliner?lite
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tsarstepan
 
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Reply Mon 7 May, 2012 03:40 pm
@Lustig Andrei,
It said in the article I read that no metal was part of the bomb.
http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2012/05/07/152207969/reports-cia-thwarts-new-more-sophisticated-underwear-bomber?sc=nl&cc=brk-20120507-1725

I wonder about the possibility of having the suicide bomber have a surgically replaced hip or some kind of significant medically implanted metal device and if this could expand the damage of any potential suicide bomb. That said, for someone to convincingly pull off this kind of surgery as "legitimate" they would have to be a someone of a certain age group or when he or she goes through the metal detector would arouse suspicion.

Without metal, the explosive force of any bomb has to be pretty great to rip open the structure of a plane and do enough damage to take the plane down.
edgarblythe
 
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Reply Mon 7 May, 2012 06:40 pm
The evening news showed the device get exploded, or the equivelant. It was enough to do some damage in a pressurized compartment.
farmerman
 
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Reply Mon 7 May, 2012 07:16 pm
@edgarblythe,
the bomb sniffers also have a sophisticated way to sniff out Nitrogen compounds ( almost all non nuclear explosives are nitrogen based , even gunpowder). SO certain lab equipment and dogs (which are fpr the most part, more sensitive than lab equipment) can snigg nitrogen compounds.
NOW, the only thing I can think of that would ruin the lab e quipment detecting exploosives would be if the would be bomber would piss in his pants and let it dry before getting on a plane,,
Lustig Andrei
 
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Reply Mon 7 May, 2012 07:57 pm
@tsarstepan,
tsarstepan wrote:
Without metal, the explosive force of any bomb has to be pretty great to rip open the structure of a plane and do enough damage to take the plane down.


You've heard of plastique, I'm sure.
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Lustig Andrei
 
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Reply Mon 7 May, 2012 07:58 pm
@farmerman,
farmerman wrote:

the bomb sniffers also have a sophisticated way to sniff out Nitrogen compounds ( almost all non nuclear explosives are nitrogen based , even gunpowder). SO certain lab equipment and dogs (which are fpr the most part, more sensitive than lab equipment) can snigg nitrogen compounds.
NOW, the only thing I can think of that would ruin the lab e quipment detecting exploosives would be if the would be bomber would piss in his pants and let it dry before getting on a plane,,


Geez, farmer, don't be giving them fresh ideas!!
Lustig Andrei
 
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Reply Mon 7 May, 2012 08:43 pm
@Lustig Andrei,
The Christian Science Monitor has some new details:

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Latest-News-Wires/2012/0507/CIA-We-stopped-undetectable-bomb

Quote:
The plot involved an upgrade of the underwear bomb that failed to detonate aboard a jetliner over Detroit on Christmas 2009. This new bomb was also designed to be used in a passenger's underwear, but this time al-Qaida developed a more refined detonation system, U.S. officials said.

The FBI is examining the latest bomb to see whether it could have passed through airport security and brought down an airplane, officials said. They said the device did not contain metal, meaning it probably could have passed through an airport metal detector. But it was not clear whether new body scanners used in many airports would have detected it.


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farmerman
 
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Reply Tue 8 May, 2012 04:50 am
@Lustig Andrei,
Im not giving any ideas, Im sure they aklready know. Why do you think that the Underwear bomber was wearing his bomb in his underwear? Ill bet they want to confuse any sniffers. HOWEVER, many of these portable GC'MS's can detect the differences between single, double, and triple bonded Nitroges compounds
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Lustig Andrei
 
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Reply Tue 8 May, 2012 02:14 pm
This just in (about 2 mins. ago):

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hS2rvpBcC746LmcdfR-dPVoSa6Gw?docId=22014bc6f5974e77aa9c00c572ebafd9

US sends airport security guide to other countries
By EILEEN SULLIVAN, Associated Press – 25 minutes ago

[qupte]WASHINGTON (AP) — In the wake of a terrorist bomb plot disrupted by the CIA, the U.S. advised some international airports and air carriers Tuesday about security measures for passengers traveling to the U.S.

The guidance from the Transportation Security Administration was a reminder of methods the U.S. provided to these international airports and carriers in the past six to eight months to help protect against threats from liquid explosives and explosives hidden inside a person's body or clothes or in printer cartridges. All are methods officials said al-Qaida's spinoff group in Yemen has considered for plots against the U.S, according to an American official who spoke on condition of anonymity to discuss the details of the guidance.[/quote]

more at link

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Lustig Andrei
 
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Reply Wed 9 May, 2012 12:06 am

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Washington --

The successful blocking of an ambitious al Qaeda plot to bomb a U.S.-bound airliner was an international sting operation worthy of Hollywood, with spies tricking terrorists into showing their cards.

Saudi Arabia's intelligence agency, working closely with the CIA, used an informant to pose as a would-be suicide bomber. His job was to persuade the al Qaeda franchise in Yemen to give him a new kind of non-metallic bomb that the militants were designing to easily pass through airport security.

But the double agent instead arranged to deliver the explosive device to U.S. and other intelligence authorities waiting in another country, officials said Tuesday. The agent is now safely outside Yemen and is being debriefed.



Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2012/05/08/MNLN1OEVC2.DTL#ixzz1uLkcW1Wn
Lustig Andrei
 
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Reply Wed 9 May, 2012 10:58 am
@Lustig Andrei,

Christian Science Monitor wrote:
The successful disruption of an effort to place a suicide bomber on a US-bound plane is an intelligence coup any way you slice it. An agent went to Yemen, won the trust of members of Al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula (AQAP), convinced them he was interested in attacking a US plane, and arranged delivery of their latest concealable bomb.

Then he scooted over the border back to Saudi Arabia and handed the bomb over. Now the underwear bomb is being pored over by experts seeking to determine how easy it would have been to get past current security procedures and what needs to be done to plug any holes in airport security.

The agent also provided information on the whereabouts of Fahd Mohammed al-Quso, a militant on the FBI's most wanted list for his involvement in the attack on the USS Cole off the port of Aden in 2000. Quso was killed in a US drone attack in Yemen's Shabwa mountains last week. Quso, who had also assisted some of the 9/11 hijackers, had escaped from Yemeni prison in 2003. He was recaptured the next year, but was released in 2007 by the government, which refused a US extradition request.

That's all pretty good work. But while a major win for international security efforts, the leak of the successful penetration to the press will now make it easier for AQAP to plug holes in its own security procedures, making it harder to put agents in place in the future. While the group would have worried when the promised bomb attack never happened, there would have been plenty of ambiguity: Perhaps the attacker had been arrested, or simply lost his nerve. Now AQAP knows to a dead certainty what happened.


http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Backchannels/2012/0509/Saudi-s-Al-Qaeda-intelligence-coup-and-the-perils-of-too-much-disclosure

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Rickoshay75
 
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Reply Tue 19 Jun, 2012 04:18 pm
@Lustig Andrei,
Lustig Andrei wrote:


CNN news wrote:
The CIA foiled a plot by al-Qaida's affiliate in Yemen to bomb a U.S.-bound airliner around the one-year anniversary of the killing of its former leader Osama bin Laden, The Associated Press reported.

According to the report, American officials say the plot involved a bomb with an improved design that upgraded the underwear bomb taken aboard a jetliner over Detroit on Christmas 2009. That explosive device failed to detonate.

The AP reports the improved bomb had a more refined detonation mechanism, but was still intended to be hidden in a passenger's underwear.

An official told NBC News no airlines were ever at risk. The plot was disrupted well before it threatened Americans or U.S. allies, the official added.

Counter-terror officials deem the thwarted plot a "success story," NBC News reported. They said they are analyzing the device.

According to the AP, the would-be suicide bomber was instructed to buy a ticket on the airliner of his choosing and decide the timing of the attack.

The U.S. officials interviewed spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss the sensitive case, according to the AP.



http://worldnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/05/07/11583173-report-cia-foiled-al-qaida-plot-to-destroy-us-bound-airliner?lite


The entire affair was a farce, the man did something to attract suspicion, security took him away, and security cooked up a dangerous situation to remind their bosses and the rest of the country that they were still needed.

Underware bombs --- give me a break
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puzzledperson
 
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Reply Fri 30 Oct, 2015 05:46 am
@tsarstepan,
"Without metal, the explosive force of any bomb has to be pretty great to rip open the structure of a plane and do enough damage to take the plane down."

Modern plane bombs don't rely on brute force to break a plane apart or to cause catastrophic depressurization. A comparatively small amount of explosives can be used from a seat in a passenger jet situated over the fuel tank. The IED is used to detonate the plane's own highly volatile fuel, turning the jet itself into a bomb. Use of a shaped charge could further reduce the amount of triggering explosives needed, as could engineering studies of the target plane and timing the event so as to maximize the fuel/fumes volatility of the fuel tank contents.

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puzzledperson
 
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Reply Fri 30 Oct, 2015 06:09 am
@farmerman,
"The bomb sniffers also have a sophisticated way to sniff out Nitrogen compounds ( almost all non nuclear explosives are nitrogen based , even gunpowder)."

Peroxide based explosives aren't nitrogen based. They are also powerful and easily synthesized.

http://thefutureofthings.com/3035-tatp-countering-the-mother-of-satan/

Your comment about a bomber pissing his pants gave me an idea. Limits on the amount of liquids which passengers can bring on board are based on preventing the use of peroxide explosives. One way around that would be infiltration of stewardess personnel or other employees who load planes with beverages (e.g. soda pop cans).

But another would be the use of a colostomy bag, tinted with yellow food coloring. This would allow explosives to be concealed in plain sight while also manipulating cultural biases involving both handicapped individuals and intimate bodily functions and byproducts. No idea what U.S. flight security regulations say about that.

Another point: not all flights stopping in the U.S. or serving American or European passengers embark from airports observing U.S. flight security regulations.



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