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Angelina Jolie Reveals She Had Preventive Double Mastectomy

 
 
Rockhead
 
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Reply Wed 15 May, 2013 07:24 pm
@chai2,
sexually as in she was very into them sexually. her biggest erogenous zone...

and reconstructive surgery costs big dollars she won't have.

she has an autistic boy and 2 other kids. and works with me when there is an event at the arena. otherwise she has a handy-girl service.

her counseling will be mostly amateurs like myself who don't charge a fee...
ossobuco
 
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Reply Wed 15 May, 2013 07:34 pm
uh oh, do we need a bump already?
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Wed 15 May, 2013 07:37 pm
@ossobuco,
ossobuco wrote:

uh oh, do we need a bump already?

and Angelina needs 2.
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chai2
 
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Reply Wed 15 May, 2013 07:44 pm
@Rockhead,
Rockhead wrote:

sexually as in she was very into them sexually. her biggest erogenous zone...

and reconstructive surgery costs big dollars she won't have.




I know this sounds hard, but she'll have to, and will adjust.
Sexual arousal isn't worth losing your life.

In fact perhaps she'll find equally, maybe even more satisfying outlets in her life.

We all experience and mourn losses in our life, but we can't drown in them. That's not good for anybody.

ossobuco
 
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Reply Wed 15 May, 2013 07:50 pm
@chai2,
Miss Fixit will instruct you now.



On Rockhead's friend, I barely remember the post and am tired, but I don't think it was clear about her choices, re what are the knowns.
chai2
 
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Reply Wed 15 May, 2013 08:00 pm
@ossobuco,
Yes, please go to bed and sleep it off osso.

Maybe then those not drunk can talk.
ossobuco
 
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Reply Wed 15 May, 2013 08:04 pm
@chai2,
I'm not the least bit drunk.

I had two breast cancer surgeries, had friends who had more, one with stage four who has live something like fifteen years, and one who died.

You call me drunk if I mock what you say with insistence? You who have not dealt with it?
That is your problemo.

This is too bad to argue - we all have now, or will, people we know dealing with all this.
chai2
 
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Reply Wed 15 May, 2013 08:18 pm
@ossobuco,
Osso, why must you come on here and disrupt the flow?

Yes, we've all known people who have had cancer, or other diseases, and have suffered specific diseases ourselves. Every single one of us.

Would you mind redirecting back toward the topic of the thread? I'm not trying to get into a pissing match with you. I'm pointing out that you're going off in such a way that's just going to attract the usual trolls (it's started already)

I call you a drunk because you are a drunk, everyone here knows it. Half the time your words make no sense at all.

Now, with all due respect, would you either shut the **** up, or get back to the topic of genetics, tests that can reveal the probability of getting a disease, in this case cancer, and solutions to what these tests reveal?

It's late for me, I'm going to bed.

Oh. I went to my doctor today and brought this up in conversation. She'd read a little about it (Jolies story), and said she was interested enough that she'd look into it more. She said in her opinion anything that brought public awareness to any health issues was good for her, and her patients.
ossobuco
 
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Reply Wed 15 May, 2013 08:29 pm
@chai2,
Well, there's a post to remember.

May the bird of paradise fly up your nose.

In the meantime, why is going off, so called, about loss of breast sensation some kind attractant to trolls?

You are the one who I guess posted a porn thread.

Also, why would posting about loss of breast sensation be some kind of drunken fling on my part.

Breast sensations matter to many.

On dna, I first studied it in the early sixties. Go on, tell me about it. I gather there are many avenues to getting bc, including within genomes but also otherwise.

hawkeye10
 
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Reply Wed 15 May, 2013 11:11 pm
http://ic.pics.livejournal.com/butterfield9/54826819/679/679_900.jpg
pr gold here.
engineer
 
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Reply Thu 16 May, 2013 07:36 am
@hawkeye10,
Perhaps, but it depends on where you want to go. If your desire is to be a cancer spokesman like Armstrong then this catapults you right on to that stage. If you want to be an actress, maybe not. In Jolie's case, she already has so much publicity around her every move, her love life, her adoptions, etc. I don't know that this does a lot more for her. It certainly has sparked a conversation. It's all over NPR and apparently there is a movie that is premiering about the person who identified the gene in question that is getting a huge amount of attention now where as before it would have been a yawner.
ossobuco
 
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Reply Thu 16 May, 2013 08:03 am
@ossobuco,
There are some comments about several genetic markers for breast cancer in this article -
http://www.slate.com/blogs/xx_factor/2013/05/14/brca_gene_and_breast_cancer_why_i_chose_not_to_get_tested.html
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Thu 16 May, 2013 10:28 am
@engineer,
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Perhaps, but it depends on where you want to go. If your desire is to be a cancer spokesman like Armstrong then this catapults you right on to that stage.

she is aging out of the acting profession, she is not good enough to be one of the rare old ladies who can get work, but if I am wrong that her main motivation was Jennifer, if it was to strengthen her resume for advocacy work, then she needed to address gene patents.
firefly
 
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Reply Thu 16 May, 2013 11:27 am
@hawkeye10,
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she is aging out of the acting profession, she is not good enough to be one of the rare old ladies who can get work...

She's not "good enough" to continue to get acting work? She has received an Academy Award, two Screen Actors Guild Awards, and three Golden Globe Awards, so why are you denigrating her acting talent? And, as recently as 2011, she was still the highest paid actress in Hollywood, according to Forbes.

And she's already moved into other areas--directing, screenwriting, and producing--in which she has achieved notable success.

The last thing she has to worry about at this point in her life is getting more work or getting more free publicity--she really needs neither.

The business with Jennifer seems to be your personal obsession. I frankly don't understand why you think she has anything to do with this.
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if it was to strengthen her resume for advocacy work, then she needed to address gene patents.

Can't a celebrity share a very personal medical issue with the public without it being cynically seen as self-serving in some way, like strengthening "her resume for advocacy work"? Her resume, in terms of advocacy, particularly for humanitarian causes, is already quite substantial, and recognized. It doesn't need more padding.

She knew her revelation about her preventive mastectomies would provoke discussion, and heighten awareness, of the whole issue of genetic testing, treatment options, and breast cancer--just as it has. She also knew she would be reaching out to other women--and their loved ones--and offering support to them. And the kind of revelation she made is not easy, and it's a risk, particularly for an actress admired and extolled for her physical attractiveness and "sexiness". But, her talking about it, openly, makes it easier for other women to do the same.

As far as addressing the issue of gene patents--she's already done that, by heightening awareness of their existence. In the future, she might address the issue even more--give her time.

As far as the cover of Time magazine, have you considered that it is Time who is using Jolie's picture on the cover to sell their publication, that they are exploiting her to sell their product, rather than it being the free PR that she was allegedly seeking? If they simply had an article on genetic testing for breast and uterine cancer listed inside the mag, how many people would really be interested? Put her picture on the front, and people get considerably more interested in reading, and buying, Time--and reading about the topic.

I think Jolie is using her celebrity clout, and her revelation, in the best possible way--just as Betty Ford before her did, with her revelation about her breast cancer and her mastectomy. Or do you doubt Mrs. Ford's motivations as well?

FOUND SOUL
 
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Reply Thu 16 May, 2013 05:50 pm
@firefly,
Firstly, Jennifer has to move on with her life, apparently she has, apparently she is engaged though apparently pre-nup is in the way, who knows tabloids are tabloids but she does have to move on.

Jolie, ... What woman in this World would not be proud of their partner shouting out to the world "how proud he is of her"... That would put a smile on anyone's face but...... At some point those words get lost and back to the said subject so it's only a short gain not a long term gain. I would suspect she as anyone would know that. Short term gain.. Big thing to do for short term gain.

Jolie for sure is a complex woman.. She has in-securities, issues, deaths and pain like any other person. She's a survivor yes? As, she uses / used her acting to play different roles perhaps that helped her over come some of her issues, as a lot of Actors have, thrown themselves into a non reality world.. But I would say she is a survivor so this would be something she would see as just that..

Being an advocate can be seen as celebrity status trying to gain more status and there sure have been a few that in my opinion have done it for that reason but here, her and Brad are both identical in their thoughts there and love of anything they can do.... So, I don't believe that she is doing it for any other reason than choice ... Hers. Kind of brave to tell the world too, even if she can have implants after...

I do think she loves attention.

I do think she likes to rub her nose into Jennifer.

But, I do think it's because she is in-secure and having your breasts taken off is the opposite, secure about yourself, not worried about looks, is it not? You'd keep them and hope. I would think.

The bottom line is people all over the world are now talking about it for themselves and how they have felt about it and never been able to speak and now they can.

That's got to account for something.

When I hear things - Colin Farrell was a better lover than Brad. I wonder, why Brad feels the need to love her as he does, but he does.
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boomerang
 
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Reply Fri 17 May, 2013 08:43 am
Has anyone given any thought to how the media would have responded if she had not been the one to tell the story? Celebrities often "out" themselves so that they have some control over how the story is told. The story would have eventually gotten out and I imagine the speculation would have been wild.

I had a friend who had an elective double mastectomy. She'd watch too many women in her family die from breast cancer and when her sister died at 40 she decided to have the surgery. It was hugely traumatic -- even more traumatic than she expected it to be.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Fri 17 May, 2013 10:28 am
@boomerang,
or how we would have responded if she had sold the story with pics to the tabloids?

she gets props for being more classy than most of the Hollywood set.
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firefly
 
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Reply Fri 17 May, 2013 03:52 pm
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The New York Times
May 14, 2013
Jolie’s Disclosure of Preventive Mastectomy Highlights Dilemma

By DENISE GRADY, TARA PARKER-POPE and PAM BELLUCK

One of the defining moments in the history of breast cancer occurred in 1974 when the first lady, Betty Ford, spoke openly about her mastectomy, lifting a veil of secrecy from the disease and ushering in a new era of breast cancer awareness.

Now four decades later, another leading lady — the actress Angelina Jolie — has focused public attention on breast cancer again, but this time with an even bolder message: A woman at genetic risk should feel empowered to remove both breasts as a way to prevent the disease. Ms. Jolie revealed on Tuesday that because she carries a cancer-causing mutation, she has had a double mastectomy.

“She’s the biggest name of all, and I think given her prominence and her visibility not only as a famous person but also a beautiful actress, it’s going to carry a lot of weight for women,” said Barron H. Lerner, a medical historian and the author of “The Breast Cancer Wars.”

Breast cancer experts and advocates applauded the manner in which Ms. Jolie explored her options and made informed decisions, saying it might influence some women with strong family histories of breast cancer to get genetic tests.

But some doctors also expressed worry that her disclosure could be misinterpreted by other women, fueling the trend toward mastectomies that are not medically necessary for many early-stage breast cancers. In recent years, doctors have reported a virtual epidemic of preventive mastectomies among women who have cancer in one breast and decide to remove the healthy one as well, even though they do not have genetic mutations that increase their risk and their odds of a second breast cancer are very low.

Ms. Jolie wrote on the Op-Ed page of The New York Times that she had tested positive for a genetic mutation known as BRCA1, which left her with an exceedingly high risk for developing breast and ovarian cancer. Her mother died at 56 after nearly a decade with cancer, though Ms. Jolie did not specify which type. After genetic counseling, Ms. Jolie opted to have both breasts removed and to undergo reconstructive surgery.

Ms. Jolie, 37, who declined to be interviewed for this article, was treated at the Pink Lotus Breast Center in Beverly Hills, Calif., a clinic opened in 2009 by Dr. Kristi Funk, identified on its Web site as a former director of patient education at the breast center at Cedars-Sinai Medical Center in Los Angeles.

Her condition is rare. Mutations in BRCA1 and another gene called BRCA2 are estimated to cause only 5 percent to 10 percent of breast cancers and 10 percent to 15 percent of ovarian cancers among white women in the United States. The mutations are found in other racial and ethnic groups as well, but it is not known how common they are.

About 30 percent of women who are found to have BRCA mutations choose preventive mastectomies, said Dr. Kenneth Offit, chief of clinical genetics at Memorial Sloan-Kettering Cancer Center in New York. Those who have seen family members die young from the disease are most likely to opt for the surgery.

“It’s important to make it clear that a BRCA mutation is a special, high-risk situation,” said Dr. Monica Morrow, chief of the breast service at Sloan-Kettering. For women at very high risk, preventive mastectomy makes sense, but few women fall into that category, she said.

For women’s health advocates, the trend toward double mastectomies in women who do not have mutations is frustrating. Studies in the 1970s and 1980s proved that for many patients, lumpectomy was as safe as mastectomy, and the findings were seen as a victory for women.

Even so, there is increasing demand for mastectomy. Dr. Morrow says that she has often tried to talk patients out of it without success. Some imagine their risk of new or recurring cancer to be far higher than it really is. Others think that their breasts will match up better if both are removed and reconstructed.

Ms. Jolie’s decision highlights the painful dilemma facing women with BRCA mutations.

“She is a special case, and you can completely understand why she did it,” said Dr. Susan Love, the author of a best-seller, “Dr. Susan Love’s Breast Book,” and a breast surgeon. “But what I hope that people realize is that we really don’t have good prevention for breast cancer. When you have to cut off normal body parts to prevent a disease, that’s really pretty barbaric when you think about it.”

Women who carry BRCA mutations have, on average, about a 65 percent risk of eventually developing breast cancer, as opposed to a risk of about 12 percent for most women. For some mutation carriers, the risk may be higher; Ms. Jolie wrote that the estimate for her was 87 percent.

Because the BRCA mutations are rare and the test expensive — about $3,000 — it is not recommended for most women.

But for women with breast cancer who do have mutations, knowing their status can help them make further treatment decisions, like whether to have an unaffected breast or their ovaries removed.

Women who should consider testing are those who have breast cancer before age 50, a family history of both breast and ovarian cancer, or many close relatives with breast cancer, especially if it developed before age 50. Any woman with ovarian cancer should consider being tested, as should Ashkenazi Jewish women with breast or ovarian cancer. Men with breast cancer and their families should also ask about the possibility of a genetic predisposition to the disease.

Because the cancer risks for carriers are so high, women with the mutations are often advised to have their breasts and ovaries removed as a preventive measure. It is generally considered safe to wait long enough to have children before having the ovaries removed, but the operation should be done by age 40, said Dr. Susan M. Domchek, an expert on cancer genetics at the University of Pennsylvania and the executive director of its Basser Research Center, which specializes in BRCA mutations. There is no reliable way to screen for ovarian cancer, and most cases are detected at a relatively late stage, when the disease is harder to treat and more likely to be fatal.

Ms. Jolie said that she herself had a 50 percent risk of ovarian cancer. “I started with the breasts, as my risk of breast cancer is higher than my risk of ovarian cancer, and the surgery is more complex,” she wrote.

Removing the breasts is not the only option, Dr. Domchek said. Some women with BRCA mutations choose close monitoring with mammograms and M.R.I. scans once a year, staggered so that they have one scan or the other every six months. Those tests offer a chance to find cancer early.

For some women, certain drugs can lower the risk of breast cancer, but not as much as preventive mastectomy.

It is also possible for women who are mutation carriers to avoid passing the gene to their children, by undergoing in vitro fertilization and having embryos screened for BRCA genes. Then, only embryos free of mutations can be implanted.

Ms. Jolie’s celebrity and her roles as a mother of six and a movie star who plays strong women, including the swashbuckling archaeologist Lara Croft, may give her decision far-reaching impact.

Dr. Isabelle Bedrosian, a surgical oncologist at M. D. Anderson Cancer Center in Houston, has been a vocal critic of the trend toward double mastectomy among women who are not at high genetic risk. However, she hopes the decision by Ms. Jolie will focus women on the value of genetic counseling and making informed decisions.

“I think there is an important upside to the story, and that is that women will hopefully be more curious about their family history,” Dr. Bedrosian said. “We need to be careful that one message does not apply to all. Angelina’s situation is very unique. People should not be quick to say ‘I should do like she did,’ because you may not be like her.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/15/health/angelina-jolies-disclosure-highlights-a-breast-cancer-dilemma.html?ref=health&_r=0


hawkeye10
 
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Reply Fri 17 May, 2013 06:41 pm
@firefly,
Quote:
By DENISE GRADY, TARA PARKER-POPE and PAM BELLUCK

One of the defining moments in the history of breast cancer occurred in 1974 when the first lady, Betty Ford, spoke openly about her mastectomy, lifting a veil of secrecy from the disease and ushering in a new era of breast cancer awareness.

Now four decades later, another leading lady — the actress Angelina Jolie — has focused public attention on breast cancer again, but this time with an even bolder message: A woman at genetic risk should feel empowered to remove both breasts as a way to prevent the disease. Ms. Jolie revealed on Tuesday that because she carries a cancer-causing mutation, she has had a double mastectomy.

these three chicks completely miss the plot of this show.....this is a horror flick with Jolie as the victim and our genes as the villain. this is great progress, these last few decades we have been hard up for fear motivators but now we can milk this theme that our genes are waiting to **** us over for at least a generation.

Quote:
When you have to cut off normal body parts to prevent a disease, that’s really pretty barbaric when you think about it.”

there was no "have to" but man o man what a great scene!
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firefly
 
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Reply Sat 18 May, 2013 02:48 pm
Quote:

The New York Times
May 17, 2013

Angelina Jolie’s Disclosure
By THE EDITORIAL BOARD

Angelina Jolie’s revelation on The Times’s Op-Ed page that she had a double mastectomy to reduce her risk of breast cancer greatly raises public awareness of the genetic testing she used, as well as concerns about insurance coverage for this kind of testing. Ms. Jolie had a family history of cancer and tested positive for genetic flaws in the BRCA1 gene, which indicates an elevated risk for breast and ovarian cancer. Her doctor estimated that she had an 87 percent chance of developing breast cancer.

Very few women fall into such a high-risk category. But for those who do, the test may be lifesaving. Conducted by Myriad Genetics, the testing costs about $3,000, and surgery and breast reconstruction costs many thousands more for women choosing preventive mastectomies.

The health care reform law requires private insurers to cover genetic counseling and, if appropriate, BRCA testing, without a co-payment, in recently issued policies. Medicare and Medicaid coverage for BRCA tests for high-risk women may differ from state to state. Generally, neither private nor public insurance will cover the tests for women whose family history does not suggest increased risk, and that makes good sense. Test results can be unclear and may lead to unneeded surgery or treatments that have the potential for serious harm.

Even women who think their risk is high should take a cautious approach, said the United States Preventive Services Task Force, a group of independent experts who provide advice to the federal government on health screening measures. They should talk with their doctors to see if genetic counseling is needed, assess the pros and cons of BRCA testing, and consider options for treatment, which might include surgery, drugs that could reduce risk of breast cancer, and close monitoring with mammograms and M.R.I. scans. Women will need to check their policies to see what coverage is provided for preventive mastectomies and other preventive measures.
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/18/opinion/angelina-jolies-disclosure.html?hp


I just saw actress Christina Applegate on CNN discussing her own double mastectomies. She also has a mutation in her BRCA1 gene, and her mother is a breast cancer survivor.

Applegate formed her own foundation, Right Action For Women, to help women who are at high risk for breast cancer pay for needed tests and screenings if they lack insurance coverage or adequate funds.

http://rightactionforwomen.org/about/

 

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