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mute e and the clumsy

 
 
WBYeats
 
Reply Tue 7 May, 2013 07:31 am
Two sentence:

1.It accounts for the apparent avoidance of the clumsy WOMAN SUFFRAGE.
2.The use of mute e is intolerable.

1.For the adjective+noun construction, why is THE erratically used?
2.Is one different from the other?
3.Can I indifferently add or omit THE in the two?
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WBYeats
 
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Reply Wed 8 May, 2013 02:37 am
@WBYeats,
supplement:

A sentence: FORECLOSE has had its spelling affected by natural confusion with English FORE.

Why is THE not placed before ENGLISH?
contrex
 
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Reply Wed 8 May, 2013 11:25 am
@WBYeats,
WBYeats wrote:

Why is THE not placed before ENGLISH?


Possibly because the writer was illiterate. Why do you persist in omitting to state source and context? You have been reminded about this already. We are not clairvoyant.
WBYeats
 
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Reply Wed 8 May, 2013 06:14 pm
@contrex,
Sorry for this. I read about other comments after posting the questions.
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WBYeats
 
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Reply Mon 13 May, 2013 08:25 pm
@contrex,
Thanks.

Could you tell me the difference between them regarding THE?:

1.The use of mute e is intolerable.
2.The use of the suffix -ist in some languages is not good.

I heard them from my teacher.
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JTT
 
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Reply Mon 20 May, 2013 02:13 pm
@WBYeats,
Quote:
A sentence: FORECLOSE has had its spelling affected by natural confusion with English FORE.

Why is THE not placed before ENGLISH?


Quote:
Possibly because the writer was illiterate.


One has to ask - how is it then, C, that you missed the 'the' before 'natural'?

It's simply because we have a choice of using or not using 'the' in both positions.
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JTT
 
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Reply Mon 20 May, 2013 02:17 pm
@WBYeats,
Quote:
Two sentences:

1.It accounts for the apparent avoidance of the clumsy WOMAN SUFFRAGE.
2.The use of mute e is intolerable.

1.For the adjective+noun construction, why is THE erratically used?

I don't know which you think is erratically used.

2.Is one different from the other?

Which one or ones exactly.

3.Can I indifferently add or omit THE in the two?


Please be more specific, WB.
WBYeats
 
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Reply Mon 20 May, 2013 08:40 pm
@JTT,
Sorry for being unclear.

In the first sentence, the structure is 'THE + adj + a certain noun':

-the clumsy WOMAN SUFFRAGE

In the second sentence, the structure is 'adj + a certain noun':

-mute e

But the two examples are similar, so I'm not sure about the reason for using THE for one but not the other.
JTT
 
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Reply Mon 20 May, 2013 09:44 pm
@WBYeats,
1.It accounts for the apparent avoidance of the clumsy WOMAN SUFFRAGE.
1.For the adjective+noun construction, why is THE erratically used?

It's not erratic at all. If you take out adj-clumsy, then you can take out 'the'.

1a. It accounts for the apparent avoidance of the clumsy WOMAN SUFFRAGE, [which is a clumsy phrase].

With adj-clumsy, you have an understood though elided addition, 'phrase' or 'compound noun'.

1. It accounts for the apparent avoidance of the clumsy [phrase] WOMAN SUFFRAGE.


2.The use of mute e is intolerable.
2.Is one different from the other?

Yes, I believe so but more context would help. Using 'the' here would tell us that it is a distinct/specific mute e that was either previously described to readers or that they should know of because of its fame/notoriety/ common nature. You could use an optional 'a' in this case --> 2.The use of a mute e is intolerable.

The 'The' at the start of your sentence is also potentially optional, as is an optional 'A', but again, more context would help determine that.


3.Can I indifferently add or omit THE in the two?
WBYeats
 
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Reply Sat 25 May, 2013 07:24 pm
@JTT,
Thank you~

But is there the same difference between these?:

-The twenty five year old WB Yeats was already a very famous poet.

--Twenty five year old WB Yeats was already a very famous poet.
JTT
 
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Reply Sat 25 May, 2013 08:45 pm
@WBYeats,
These are mighty small nuances, WB, the difference/s between them will require some thought. Please be patient on this.
WBYeats
 
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Reply Tue 25 Jun, 2013 08:38 pm
@JTT,
I think the presence of THE adds formality only, do you agree?
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